Israel set to give crucial army material to Turkey

[Saithan]

Israeli Elta Systems Ltd., maker of Turkey’s Electronic Measures Systems for Boeing’s 737 Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) Systems spy aircraft, has decided to restart the manufacture of the critical devices for the planes, informed sources have said.

Sources told the Hürriyet Daily News that the decision paves the way for the release of Boeing’s long-delayed four 737 AEW&C planes, which were built for a total of $1.6 billion. More importantly, the Israeli decision may mean an end to the country’s two-year defense exports ban for Turkey.
The sources said that with the decision to continue production recently the manufacture of a third plane approached completion. Elta had finished the production of the EMS systems for the first two aircraft years ago.

6 years late

In 2002, Turkey’s Undersecretariat for Defense Industries, the procurement agency, ordered from Boeing four 737-700 AEW&C aircraft, a ground radar and control systems, plus ground control segments for mission crew training, mission support and maintenance support.

Under the agreement the four aircraft were supposed to be released in 2006. But the integration of the planes took much longer. Elta is building the EMS systems for four aircraft. Its Turkish systems are expected to cost more than $100 million.

The Elta decision followed Boeing’s efforts to urge the Israeli company to restart this Turkish manufacturing. Elta is the single producer of the EMS systems for Boeing’s 737 aircraft.

The 737 Boeing AEW&C aircraft are to be used as part of Turkey’s NATO capabilities. Several defense experts have claimed that the programs are too costly.

An airborne early warning and control system is an airborne radar system designed to detect aircraft, ships and vehicles at long ranges and control and command the battle space in an air engagement by directing fighter and attack aircraft strikes. Used at a high altitude, the radars on the aircraft allow the operators to distinguish between friendly and hostile aircraft hundreds of miles away.

The system is used offensively to direct fighters to their target locations, and defensively in order to counter attacks by enemy forces, both air and ground. Unless Elta endorsed its sales, there was a chance the sale to Turkey could not have been completed. But with Elta’s approval, the planes will be finished next year. k HDN

November/09/2012
source: HDN

 

[Azatavrear]

So what else is new.
What you hear Israel give Turkey is only half of it.... imagine whats been given classified.

btw talking about giving....has anyone given an Emmy award to Turkey and Israel for the flotilla setup performance yet?

 

[LegionnairE]

screw them armenain trolls, Elbit doesn't have a say here neither they are our addressees

Elbit is but a sub-contractor for Boeing defence. Either they hold their end of the bargain or lose the contract with Boeing.

We get our merchandise one way or another.

 

[Surenas]

It's nice to have good friends in the region.

 

[Ir.Tab.]

In fact the result of competition between Obama and Romney was crucial to determine the results of conflict between Ardo & Bibi.

 

[what]

The great Bros. Big bro Israel is going to give chocolate to small bro! Israel goes on killing and killing, while Turkey sits back and also helps them!

Please get the f.uck off you moron, its really interesting how this forum attracts all those morons in certain threads whenever there is Iran or Israel mentioned. Get a life.

In fact the result of competition between Obama and Romney was crucial to determine the results of conflict between Ardo & Bibi.

I bet my *** that a lot of decisions all over the world have been on hold because some people secretly hoped that Romney would win, whether its concerning Syria or Israel/Turkish relations.

 

[cabatli_53]

The great Bros. Big bro Israel is going to give chocolate to small bro! Israel goes on killing and killing, while Turkey sits back and also helps them!

Elbit subsystems to be integrated on Turkey's AEW&C isn't the requirement of Turkjish authorities. Israeli Elbit is the sub-contactor of USA Boeing in such deals. Turkey choosed Boeing AEW&C and so Under the agreement they signed, Elbit has to provide the EW systems Boeing demands.

Besides, Turkey itself has also crucial materials to be integrated on such serious platforms. Turkey AirBorne SOJ program aims to serve that purpose.

Objective :

Scope : Procurement of a Prototype System for Turkish Air Forces Command (3 systems optional).

Project Model : Local Development System and Integration) and Direct Procurement (Airborne)

Prime/Sub Contractor : ASELSAN

Airborne Stand-off Jammer (SOJ) Systems

Land Based Stand-off Jammer (SOJ) Systems


Objective :

Scope : Procurement of an Electronic Support and an Electronic Attack System for Turkish Air Forces Command

Project Model : Local development

Prime/Sub Contractor : ASELSAN

Contract Date : 30 July 2009

Status :
System design activities are completed. Production and Verification activities are going on.

http://www.ssm.gov.tr/home/projects/Sayfalar/proje.aspx?projeID=71

 

[cabatli_53]

Actually, It is not Turkey business. Turkey's AEW&C program is the most delayed program which has been signed between Turkey-USA ever and Boeing pays Million $ punishments to Turkey for every year. Most probably, Boeing made pressure to Elbit to quick deliver the parts being under Israeli responsibility and The results came into surface in this thread.

 

[cabatli_53]

As a note, After Israel rejected supplying EW devices for Turkey's AEW&C, Boeing and Turkish officials made some negotiations to integrate Turkey's domestic EW systems on AEW&C platforms. In times when Aselsan made some preparations for supplying them as a replacement of Israeli systems, Israel surprisingly accepted delivery of their own.

 

[Pakistanisage]

Turkey should be careful buying any equipment from Israel.

Watch out for BUGGING DEVICES.

 

[cabatli_53]

You sound like a moron.
It most probably result of pressure on MoD by IAI and IAI was pressured by Boeing.

You should learn using your langue properly, not later than a snake bites it.

Negotiation with Aselsan

“The Israeli system is an identifier. It receives hostile radar waves uses them to identify planes. In other words, it would be good to have this system on the planes, but it is not an essential part that could delay the program. We need three more systems for the remaining two planes. As we do not expect Israel to deliver the systems soon, we have taken our own precautions and have begun negotiations with Aselsan, which will develop similar systems using Turkish sources. One could ask why Aselsan did not take part from the very beginning. Developing such systems requires a degree of experience and capacity. The project was signed 10 years ago, and Aselsan did not have the capacity at that time, but now they do.”

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ase...&NewsCatID=345

 

[Ir.Tab.]

cabatli_53 How did you make sound like that? Although I failed to find difference between

1- Boeing made pressure to Elbit
2- IAI was pressured by Boeing

by the way the Moron, whom Archdemon is talking about is responsible for lots of interesting technical information at PDF.

 

[Archdemon]

Ir.Tab. Elbit is not involved here, Elta is of IAI

 

[cabatli_53]

Ir.Tab. Elbit is not involved here, Elta is of IAI

The source is talking about Elta and subsystems developed by them as a part of Turkey's AEW&C program. I don't care ELTA's management procedure or ownership of IAI over Elta. What I am talking is pure clear for the people who wants to understand. Rest doesn't interest me...

 

[Archdemon]

You should learn using your langue properly, not later than a snake bites it.

Negotiation with Aselsan

Again, i fail to see connection

In times when Aselsan made some preparations for supplying them as a replacement of Israeli systems, Israel surprisingly accepted delivery of their own.

Are you insinuating that the decision not to sell EW suit was sort of commercial trick? game?