Israel "navy' murders POW sailors stranded in water (taped themselves doing the crime)

[_killuminati_]

So you support Hamas crimes? I asked you,what were they going to do once they landed on the beach? Have a tan and play with rackets?

Like I said, first you have to verify that the people on the boat were Hamas (which you haven't done). Then we can proceed. Now what evidence do you possess that:

1. This was Hamas (and not local fishermen)?
2. This was inside Israeli territory (not inside Palestinian territory)?
3. If Hamas, were they headed to Israel or elsewhere?

Are you kidding? Shooting at people driving by and going door to door executing families is not a war crime? What is it?

How do you commit a war crime if war hasn't been declared? Ignorant folk like to throw this term around without knowing what it means.

Anyways, it wasn't Hamas but al-Qassam Brigade doing the shooting. The targets were Israeli invaders on illegal settlements. Nope, definitely not a war crime.

 

[Hephaestus]

And yet we haven't seen any single video of Hamas shooting at civilians

 

[Foinikas]

1. This was Hamas (and not local fishermen)?
2. This was inside Israeli territory (not inside Palestinian territory)?
3. If Hamas, were they headed to Israel or elsewhere?

Didn't you read the context of the video?

"Newly released video shows the moment members of an Israeli navy unit gunned down Hamas terrorists trying to infiltrate the country by sea on the morning of the attack.

The dramatic footage captured sailors from the Snapir unit aboard Defender-class vessels firing machine guns and lobbing depth charges on the terrorists after their speedboats were sunk by Dvora-class patrol boats, The Times of Israel reported.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said the terrorists tried to swim toward the Israeli coast.“Snapir fighters opened fire on the terrorists, amid a naval pursuit. The fighters thwarted a number of terrorists at sea, and from there they continued to thwart terrorists when they reached the coastline,” the IDF said.Snapir is a harbor security unit that is part of the patrol squadrons stationed at the Navy’s bases in nearby Ashdod, Haifa in the north and Eilat in the south, the outlet noted."

Unless you have proof of the OPPOSITE,this narration sounds like something Hamas would do.

How do you commit a war crime if war hasn't been declared? Ignorant folk like to throw this term around without knowing what it means.

Then it was a terrorist attack. So there's no "POWs" to be taken. Right?

Anyways, it wasn't Hamas but al-Qassam Brigade doing the shooting.

It wasn't Hamas but Al-Qassam Brigade? And you talk about ignorance? Let me inform you then,that Al Qassam is Hamas' military wing.

The targets were Israeli invaders on illegal settlements. Nope, definitely not a war crime.

Ah well,then the "sailors" were terrorists,not a war crime either.

 

[PradoTLC]

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reminds me of the indian airforce after we wacked them in 2019

 

[Haldorss]

Didn't you read the context of the video?

"Newly released video shows the moment members of an Israeli navy unit gunned down Hamas terrorists trying to infiltrate the country by sea on the morning of the attack.

You can't just call the enemy terrorist all the time. You have no fucking idea what 1945 postwar rules or even prewar rules are about. They were navy attacking an enemy vessel. 100% legal engagement.

Ah well,then the "sailors" were terrorists,not a war crime either.

Unarmed navy are sailors. In the water treading water, they are POWs deserving of rescue and protection. You're evil and have lost ALL sense of ALL war rules. It's disgusting. This is the 21st century and you are like a cartel criminal or baboon level of evil. It only took a couple of decades of US propaganda to turn you into a white baboon mentally (and lack of morality for that matter, many others automatically -i know it's very few- reject what they see). Israel are chimps and you are a race of white baboons.

 

[_killuminati_]

Didn't you read the context of the video?

"Newly released video shows the moment members of an Israeli navy unit gunned down Hamas terrorists trying to infiltrate the country by sea on the morning of the attack.

The dramatic footage captured sailors from the Snapir unit aboard Defender-class vessels firing machine guns and lobbing depth charges on the terrorists after their speedboats were sunk by Dvora-class patrol boats, The Times of Israel reported.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said the terrorists tried to swim toward the Israeli coast.“Snapir fighters opened fire on the terrorists, amid a naval pursuit. The fighters thwarted a number of terrorists at sea, and from there they continued to thwart terrorists when they reached the coastline,” the IDF said.Snapir is a harbor security unit that is part of the patrol squadrons stationed at the Navy’s bases in nearby Ashdod, Haifa in the north and Eilat in the south, the outlet noted."

Unless you have proof of the OPPOSITE,this narration sounds like something Hamas would do.

No thank you. A news article isn't evidence for the claim, as the author can peddle whatever horseshit he chooses.

You make the claim; the onus is on you to prove it, not on me to disprove it.

Try again.

Then it was a terrorist attack. So there's no "POWs" to be taken. Right?

It's not a terrorist attack. It's a retaliatory move against land-grabbing invaders.

It wasn't Hamas but Al-Qassam Brigade? And you talk about ignorance? Let me inform you then,that Al Qassam is Hamas' military wing.

Nope.

In 1997, political scientists Ilana Kass and Bard O'Neill described Hamas' relationship with the Brigades as reminiscent of Sinn Féin's relationship to the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) and quoted a senior Hamas official: "The Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigade is a separate armed military wing, which has its own leaders who do not take their orders [from Hamas] and do not tell us of their plans in advance."[29]

[5 May 2016 at the Wayback Machine University Press of America, Ilana Kass & Bard E. O'Neill, 1997, p. 267]

Ah well,then the "sailors" were terrorists,not a war crime either.

Israel declared a state of war before this incident occurred. And you are unable to prove who was on the boat.

You're trying very hard to defend Israel but you are ignorant and it's not working.

 

[Foinikas]

No thank you. A news article isn't evidence for the claim, as the author can peddle whatever horseshit he chooses.

You make the claim; the onus is on you to prove it, not on me to disprove it.

Try again.

The thread made an "innocent" claim,about poor sailor POWs. Without context.

So far,the information provided under the video description is the only information about the incident. So,it is actually YOU who makes a claim about something different. So it's actually you who has to present the evidence.

It's not a terrorist attack. It's a retaliatory move against land-grabbing invaders.

What a convinient narration! An excuse for killing women and children,by calling everyone "invaders". In the same way,extremist Jews say that all Palestinians are terrorists and they bomb them all.

Nope.

Even a simple google search will show it. If you didn't know all these years,of course.

Al-Qassam Brigades - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In 1984, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, Ibrahim al-Makhadmeh, Sheikh Salah Shehada, and others began preparing for the establishment of an armed organization to resist Israeli control, with a focus on acquiring weapons for future resistance activities. Members of the group were, however, arrested and the weapons were confiscated.[8]

In 1986, Shehada formed a network of resistance cells, called al-Mujahidun al-Filastiniun ('Palestinian fighters'), who targeted Israeli troops and "traitors." This network operated until 1989, with their most famous operation being the kidnapping and killing of two Israeli soldiers: Avi Sasportas and Ilan Saadon.[8][34]

Hamas was officially established soon after, on 14 December 1987, forming other similar networks as al-Mujahidun al-Filastiniun, such as the Abdullah Azzam Brigades. In mid-1991, in during the First Palestinian Intifada (1987–1994), the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades was established to provide Hamas with a paramilitary capability, thereafter becoming known as the armed branch of Hamas.[8][9]

Israel declared a state of war before this incident occurred. And you are unable to prove who was on the boat.

You're trying very hard to defend Israel but you are ignorant and it's not working.

YOU are unable to prove it. I don't. I'm not defending Israel,I'm also not defending Hamas.

The one showing so far how ignorant he is,is actually YOU.

You're actually hiding behind your finger,grabbing from straws.

 

[ziaulislam]

When and where?


Taliban fighters were illegal combatants.


Wrong.

You guys are debating the combatant status against someone who actually served in a military -- moi. Ever thought to do even basic research?


No. You clearly did not. We are done.

Thanks for pointing what I am saying

Which is anyone who fights USA is illegitimate

That's what I am trying to say

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Do you understand it is an internationally-accepted war crime to kill a stranded person, even if he is a combatant?

Goyreeks are used to drowning refugees, so this is no big deal to him.

 

[gambit]

Like I said, first you have to verify that the people on the boat were Hamas (which you haven't done). Then we can proceed. Now what evidence do you possess that:

1. This was Hamas (and not local fishermen)?
2. This was inside Israeli territory (not inside Palestinian territory)?
3. If Hamas, were they headed to Israel or elsewhere?

If you chose to fight, you are a combatant.

1. If you chose to fight in a sworn military, you are a LEGAL combatant.​

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2. If you chose to fight NOT in a sworn military, but make accommodations to distinguish yourself, then you are a LEGAL combatant.​

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3. If you chose to fight NOT in a sworn military, but DO NOT make accommodations to distinguish yourself, then you are an ILLEGAL combatant.​

Hamas fighters have a history of item 3. In WW II, partisan resistance groups were usually 2 or 3.

If you are a sworn soldier but NOT in uniform when you fight, then you are an ILLEGAL combatant. If captured and exposed as a soldier, you can be literally executed on the spot.

If you are a sworn soldier of one army but fight in the uniform of the opposition army, and if you are captured and exposed, then you are an ILLEGAL combatant and can be literally executed on the spot.

Anytime you are an ILLEGAL combatant, you do not have protected POW status.

How do you commit a war crime if war hasn't been declared? Ignorant folk like to throw this term around without knowing what it means.

Wrong. The ignorant one here is YOU.

The word 'war' in 'war crime' is used to denote the type of actions that are usually associated with combat that involves nation-states. A formal declared war is not required to charge someone with 'war crime'.

Anyways, it wasn't Hamas but al-Qassam Brigade doing the shooting. The targets were Israeli invaders on illegal settlements. Nope, definitely not a war crime.

Settlers are ILLEGAL targets. Hence, killing them constitute a war crime.

 

[Foinikas]

Goyreeks are used to drowning refugees, so this is no big deal to him.

Another dumb comment.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Another dumb comment.

If you chose to fight, you are a combatant.

1. If you chose to fight in a sworn military, you are a LEGAL combatant.​

​

2. If you chose to fight NOT in a sworn military, but make accommodations to distinguish yourself, then you are a LEGAL combatant.​

​

3. If you chose to fight NOT in a sworn military, but DO NOT make accommodations to distinguish yourself, then you are an ILLEGAL combatant.​

Hamas fighters have a history of item 3. In WW II, partisan resistance groups were usually 2 or 3.

If you are a sworn soldier but NOT in uniform when you fight, then you are an ILLEGAL combatant. If captured and exposed as a soldier, you can be literally executed on the spot.

If you are a sworn soldier of one army but fight in the uniform of the opposition army, and if you are captured and exposed, then you are an ILLEGAL combatant and can be literally executed on the spot.

Anytime you are an ILLEGAL combatant, you do not have protected POW status.


Wrong. The ignorant one here is YOU.

The word 'war' in 'war crime' is used to denote the type of actions that are usually associated with combat that involves nation-states. A formal declared war is not required to charge someone with 'war crime'.


Settlers are ILLEGAL targets. Hence, killing them constitute a war crime.

So what do you get for dropping Jdam’s on hospitals? Medal of Honor?

 

[Foinikas]

If you are a sworn soldier but NOT in uniform when you fight, then you are an ILLEGAL combatant. If captured and exposed as a soldier, you can be literally executed on the spot.

That is true. That's why paramilitary units in WWII would wear armbands,as many of them often lacked military uniforms. Biggest example is the Volkssturm.

Combatants not wearing uniforms or armbands that show they are part of an armed unit or combatants who wear enemy fatigues and uniforms to decept the enemy,are not protected by the Geneva Convention and like gambit said,can be literally executed on the spot. Again,WWII showed that. Skorceny's units during the Ardennes offensive if I remember correctly? Where they wore American military uniforms and used captured US tanks and jeeps in a secret operation. I don't remember the details.

 

[jhungary]

When you join a military, you are issued with one of these

This is called "Geneva Convention Identification Card" Each country have a different design, it could be a smart card, it could be a document or even a piece of paper recognized by International Red Cross (Which is the executor of Geneva Convention) A holding of this card, is identified as a party of armed force, and if they are in a party of war, this card identify you as a combatant.

Without this card, you do not enjoy the protection of Geneva convention, because you cannot identify yourself as a member of the armed force to a party in a conflict, this act like a ID card you may see from anywhere, it identify you as something, because without that, I can say I am a member of whatever without official document showing that I am, it cannot proof my identity, thus without this, you are not protected by Geneva Convention which included POW protection.

Now the question people should ask is, whether or not Hamas fighter carry one of this?

 

[gambit]

So what do you get for dropping Jdam’s on hospitals? Medal of Honor?

No, you get an investigation to find out what happened. Then come judgement.

Now the question people should ask is, whether or not Hamas fighter carry one of this?

I guess one way to distinguish Hamas fighters from non-combatants is the frequency and decibel of 'Allahu Akbar'.