Israel helped India turn around Kargil war

[Sergi]

Indian PM and army were desperate during the war when they saw every thing failing.

Both US and Israel helped them bail out of situation, eventually.

There is nothing to discuss on the subject as it was started with an Israeli admission, quoted from Indian source.

Hahahaha good one
So i remember someone run to Washington to avoid a full scale war. Do you want to name who was that ???
Second PA didn't have the balls to admitte publicly that it was their soilders. Their body's rott till IA decide to bury them. Search pics you will get the idea. So brave PA army failed to honour its own soilders and let their bodies rott ??? To much for bravery

 

[Edevelop]

Wrong title. Kargil was not a war.

 

[E Pencho]

Wrong title. Kargil was not a war.

You're right actually. It was not a war. it was more like a Circus by paks.

First they infiltrate;
then they claim that they are not involved;
then they claim that the freedom fighters are involved;
Then after 10 years they declare awards to paks armymen for the same war!

It was quite entertaining circus by paks.

 

[Contrarian]

Such a shame for Indians that a nation of 1.2 billion needed assistance from a nation of 4.2 million. But that is I suppose quality and quantity for you

Quite a shame that the all the quality and quantity in the world could not help Pakistani Army save its country from being split in two back then by an enemy



or stop being bombed daily now by an ally

 

[Ajaxpaul]

Kargil was a mistake of India. We trusted our enemy. Now this forms a base for all our actions and talks with Pakistan.

We have learnt from our mistake.

Lastly Thank you Israel and France.

 

[fd24]

You're right actually. It was not a war. it was more like a Circus by paks.
It was quite entertaining circus by paks.

Glad to see that you thought it was a circus - just a quickie dude. Who owned and occupied Tiger Hill 5353 BEFORE the circus - and who owned it AFTER the circus?

 

[Mercenary]

Quite a shame that the all the quality and quantity in the world could not help Pakistani Army save its country from being split in two back then by an enemy



or stop being bombed daily now by an ally

1971 War was totally Pakistan's fault. West Pakistanis were racist and discriminatory towards the dark skinned East Pakistanis and thus this lead to the splitting of the country of the civil war.

The Kargil War was based on the stupid perception of 1 Pakistani soldier = 10 Indian Soldier and that is why that turned into a failure as well.

And I think its for the better for Pakistan, in a similar way the Yom Kippur War or Six Day War were humbling experiences for Arabs and Israelis.

Pakistanis realized that there is no military option in conquering Kashmir and it can only be resolved via diplomacy.

 

[E Pencho]

Help from other countries don't help to win wars. Remember the superpower US helped paks during 71, but it couldn't stop India from cutting paks into 2 different pieces.

 

[Contrarian]

1971 War was totally Pakistan's fault. West Pakistanis were racist and discriminatory towards the dark skinned East Pakistanis and thus this lead to the splitting of the country of the civil war.

The Kargil War was based on the stupid perception of 1 Pakistani soldier = 10 Indian Soldier and that is why that turned into a failure as well.

And I think its for the better for Pakistan, in a similar way the Yom Kippur War or Six Day War were humbling experiences for Arabs and Israelis.

Pakistanis realized that there is no military option in conquering Kashmir and it can only be resolved via diplomacy.

Quite frankly most people realize what is the truth. Some hot blooded Pakistani members though still carry the false notions of superior ethics or bravado or bravery of Pakistan. Trolling does seem to be the best reply to the types of aryan..he readily understands that language.

You are ofcourse right. There is a growing realization in Pakistan that Pakistan cannot win militarily against India. I cannot however understand why this change now after all these decades? Pakistani army has never properly won any objectives against India despite initiating wars..yet the Pakistani public always believed that PA can and will defeat India. They never realized or believed that their army could not win despite empirical evidence or maybe success of their army in hiding details from them.

I can quote an example...defense of IA attack on lahore is celebrated as defense day and people believed that India was the aggressor...they never had an idea that it was in response to op grandslam. None to accept that all of PA's wars had yielded nothing for Pakistan.

Why and how the change now?

 

[Sergi]

1971 War was totally Pakistan's fault. West Pakistanis were racist and discriminatory towards the dark skinned East Pakistanis and thus this lead to the splitting of the country of the civil war.

The Kargil War was based on the stupid perception of 1 Pakistani soldier = 10 Indian Soldier and that is why that turned into a failure as well.

And I think its for the better for Pakistan, in a similar way the Yom Kippur War or Six Day War were humbling experiences for Arabs and Israelis.

Pakistanis realized that there is no military option in conquering Kashmir and it can only be resolved via diplomacy.

Every war with India was and still is Pakistan's fault.
They gained nothing but a fake pride of bravery. Pak is still somewhere around 1947 when they started. India has left 1947 along way behind. If Pak would have concentrated on own country and would have speed up development Pak would have been a considerable power in the region. Development would have been fast as compare to India but your govt policies whose otherwise. Sad. Now only thing Pak can do to India is nuke India and send it 50 years back but they won't be present to see that. It will be gain to USA and China. Nobody else. Pak leadership atleast now understand that there isn't a force solution to the problem. Kargil was Musharraf 's biggest mistake it gives Pakistan bad name internationally and dead soilderies on both sides. Infact Kargil helped India a lot. Modernisation speed up relations with EU and Israel developed after that so in clear view Kargil is a considerable defeat on all grounds to Pakistan. I thank Mussharaff for that

 

[perplexed]

Actually Israel also helped spank pak in '71

 

[OrionHunter]

Our support for Palestinians drove India and Israel closer as India played the "Look, muslims hate us too" card very well and finally secured Israel as ally in the nineties.
Rest is open book.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing! Unfortunately, you seem to know squat about the relationship between India an Palestine.

Just in case you didn't know, India was the first non-Arab country to contemporaneously recognize the Palestine Liberation Organization's authority as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people. A PLO office was set up in the Indian capital in 1975, with full diplomatic relations established in March 1980. In return, India opened a Representative Office in Gaza on June 25, 1996. Indian support was said to extend to consistent and unwavering support on the Palestinian issue, where it shared the perception that the question of Palestine is at the core of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

India has thus consistently supported the legitimate right of the Palestinian people to a State and the consequent imperative need for a just, comprehensive and lasting peace in the region based on United Nations Security Council resolution 242, 338 and 425, as well as the principle of "Land for Peace."

Therefore your argument that your support for the Palestinians drove India and Israel closer is just a lot of baloney that cannot be farther from the truth. Learn to study a subject (that you know nothing about), before you venture to write anything about it or else it would make you look stupid!

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing! Unfortunately, you seem to know squat about the relationship between India an Palestine.

Just in case you didn't know, India was the first non-Arab country to contemporaneously recognize the Palestine Liberation Organization's authority as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people. A PLO office was set up in the Indian capital in 1975, with full diplomatic relations established in March 1980. In return, India opened a Representative Office in Gaza on June 25, 1996. Indian support was said to extend to consistent and unwavering support on the Palestinian issue, where it shared the perception that the question of Palestine is at the core of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

India has thus consistently supported the legitimate right of the Palestinian people to a State and the consequent imperative need for a just, comprehensive and lasting peace in the region based on United Nations Security Council resolution 242, 338 and 425, as well as the principle of "Land for Peace."

Therefore your argument that your support for the Palestinians drove India and Israel closer is just a lot of baloney that cannot be farther from the truth. Learn to study a subject (that you know nothing about), before you venture to write anything about it or else it would make you look stupid!

he is a retired member

 

[perplexed]

LOL... PA soldiers whose bodies are on this side of LoC got awards, IA martyrs got their medals too... Indo-Israeli friendship is also charting new heights, PA lost credibility in world ... what is there to discuss more..

 

[Sergi]

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing! Unfortunately, you seem to know squat about the relationship between India an Palestine.

Just in case you didn't know, India was the first non-Arab country to contemporaneously recognize the Palestine Liberation Organization's authority as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people. A PLO office was set up in the Indian capital in 1975, with full diplomatic relations established in March 1980. In return, India opened a Representative Office in Gaza on June 25, 1996. Indian support was said to extend to consistent and unwavering support on the Palestinian issue, where it shared the perception that the question of Palestine is at the core of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

India has thus consistently supported the legitimate right of the Palestinian people to a State and the consequent imperative need for a just, comprehensive and lasting peace in the region based on United Nations Security Council resolution 242, 338 and 425, as well as the principle of "Land for Peace."

Therefore your argument that your support for the Palestinians drove India and Israel closer is just a lot of baloney that cannot be farther from the truth. Learn to study a subject (that you know nothing about), before you venture to write anything about it or else it would make you look stupid!

You are absolutely right. But if you observe the current Indian policy the Indian tone to support Palestine is low. And it should be considering the development between India-Israel relationship. So I personally think Israel win Indian silence on Palestine by helping us in Kargil so quickly. The help was quick and full. So India won't overlook it and do something against the israel. Mainly India will continue its advice for peaceful coexistence and solution through dialogue. That would be fine by Israel