Israel has the most combat planes per capita in the world

[DavidSling]

When it came to real war with a bold army to face (Hezbollah) the Israeli army shi$ted themselves and their soldiers even refused to obey orders. They aren't a warrior class but a cowardly class like the Indian army who hide behind superior racism, money and quantity of weapons but have no heart to fight.

Didnt Israel conquer Lebanon for 18 years? just sayin

Also Pakistan hasn't manage to conquer Kashmir from scared Indian, so I guess India is just a scared muslim nation

 

[khansaheeb]

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Didnt Israel conquer Lebanon for 18 years? just sayin

Also Pakistan hasn't manage to conquer Kashmir from scared Indian, so I guess India is just a scared musUOTE]
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Didnt Israel conquer Lebanon for 18 years? just sayin

Also Pakistan hasn't manage to conquer Kashmir from scared Indian, so I guess India is just a scared muslim nation

• if we had the same numerical and quality weapons superiority we would have conquered the whole of the world by now. Unlike you we don't kill women and children or brutalise them like Israelis do, we have self respect and values which you obviously lack in Judaism.
• Pakistan army has never run from battle
• Pakistan army mission goal has been to safeguard our borders and we have no territorial ambitions.
• Remember historically you (Jews) are just renegade Egyptians nothing else, followers of Akhenaton the Egyptian Pharaoh.

 

[DavidSling]

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• if we had the same numerical and quality weapons superiority we would have conquered the whole of the world by now. Unlike you we don't kill women and children or brutalise them like Israelis do, we have self respect and values which you obviously lack in Judaism.
• Pakistan army has never run from battle
• Pakistan army mission goal has been to safeguard our borders and we have no territorial ambitions.
• Remember historically you (Jews) are just renegade Egyptians nothing else, followers of Akhenaton the Egyptian Pharaoh.

• Only commit genocide in bangladesh right, ofcourse, bangladesh has no women and children right
• Never run from a battle, and yet never won one
• Safeguard your border and yet suicide attacks still happen
• Remember history, you muslims are just a copy paste religion from judaism

 

[Beny Karachun]

No doubt Israel's a warrior nation, taking on enemies several times its size and winning, we as Pakistanis understand the former. However, bullying puny Arab neighbours, while the Arab world is colonised and led by sheep is no great feat. Especially as we've already established, Israel enjoys a level of support from the US that's difficult to overestimate.

Arab nations have inept and ineffective dictators leading them, those that don't are suffering civil war. And all of them are colonised and kept on a leash. Israel's security is assured indirectly.

What's the feeling in Israel with regards to the sustainability of Israel's current favourable position in Arab-Israeli conflicts? Surely it must worry the wiser among you?

Hey, we are not to blame for the Arabic political failures. Or are we?

Israel gets military aid, I know. And that's thanks to Israel's connections. Connections are a strength by themselves, crying "But Israel is only strong because of the US" like some of the members here doesn't make it any weaker, you simply don't get to set the rules of the game.

What if Israel is directly or indirectly responsible for the civil wars in the Arab world? The "If only the Arab world was united" hypothesis would be worthless. Israel is incredibely strong for assuring it's victory and security without having any casualties.
Not all wars are won by direct war, some are won by blocking the enemy's moves. Like chess.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Hey, we are not to blame for the Arabic political failures. Or are we?

Israel gets military aid, I know. And that's thanks to Israel's connections. Connections are a strength by themselves, crying "But Israel is only strong because of the US" like some of the members here doesn't make it any weaker, you simply don't get to set the rules of the game.

What if Israel is directly or indirectly responsible for the civil wars in the Arab world? The "If only the Arab world was united" hypothesis would be worthless. Israel is incredibely strong for assuring it's victory and security without having any casualties.
Not all wars are won by direct war, some are won by blocking the enemy's moves. Like chess.

I never claimed anything about Israel's possible responsibility for the failures and predicament of some Arab nations. Kindly don't strawman me. Israel isn't to blame for the state of Middle East countries and what becomes of them — save maybe Iran, given Israel's influence on US policy vis-à-vis Iran.

As for the part in bold, you're right that it's a strength and that any country would do its utmost to build and then leverage support to promote its own interests. My observation isn't some spiteful or jealous remark.

I in part mean to point out, as I've done before on this forum. Israel's current position is highly unsustainable. It has made far, far too many enemies in its neighbourhoods, and far too many unsympathetic governments in the world, whose ire is only kept at bay by the might of the US and other influenceable nations who ironically hold global influence in turn. The Arabs who surround you deeply dislike you, and it's not hard to see why. Their governments are by design benign and inept, they will not stay that way forever. Israel's current economic, military and diplomatic dominance, which is partly due to its own achievements and otherwise due to the numerous and immeasurable blessings bestowed upon it by the US, might not last.

The Palestinians are a stateless people, their situation is weak. Surrounding nations also have unfriendly populations, but their political systems, long since colonised don't reflect the opinions of the people. This can't last forever, and it seems to me that Israel does much of the instigating in many conflicts and issues that arise. I don't see any viability or sense in the more hawkish policy your state adopts.

 

[delta2]

As soon as that Apartheid in SA stopped all hell broke loose and now it's another African sh*thole


Severely bruise? Israel suffered 6 times less casualties than Hezbollah, both America and Russia failed in Afghanistan, does it mean Afghanistan is stronger than them? Does it mean it can conquer them?

Egypt isn't exactly winning against ISIS in the Sinai, does it carryover to it's capabilities against conventional armies as you claim our """Defeat""" against a guerilla force carries over against conventional armies?
There is no nation in the radius of 5000km from us that can conquer us.

Remember, that the Arabs failed when they united against us, how are they going to defeat us when all of them are seperated and unstable?


We are more successful one way or the other

ISIS is directly supported by the United States government. The Egyptian dictator relies heavily on the same government for survival. Even a blind man could see what the results would look like.

 

[DavidSling]

ISIS is directly supported by the United States government. The Egyptian dictator relies heavily on the same government for survival. Even a blind man could see what the results would look like.

I love it when members on this forum say stuff without facts

 

[Beny Karachun]

ISIS is directly supported by the United States government. The Egyptian dictator relies heavily on the same government for survival. Even a blind man could see what the results would look like.

Regardless, your nations are paralized, many believe Israel and the US created ISIS, if that's true Israel won by destabilizing it's enemies to the point they're not able to resist, let alone conquer Israel.
If we didn't create them then we are innocent and the reason of our victories is not our success but your failure.The Arab world was never united and there's no reason to believe it will, how will you defeat us in any of the cases?

I didn't get your analogy to Egypt.

I never claimed anything about Israel's possible responsibility for the failures and predicament of some Arab nations. Kindly don't strawman me. Israel isn't to blame for the state of Middle East countries and what becomes of them — save maybe Iran, given Israel's influence on US policy vis-à-vis Iran.

As for the part in bold, you're right that it's a strength and that any country would do its utmost to build and then leverage support to promote its own interests. My observation isn't some spiteful or jealous remark.

I in part mean to point out, as I've done before on this forum. Israel's current position is highly unsustainable. It has made far, far too many enemies in its neighbourhoods, and far too many unsympathetic governments in the world, whose ire is only kept at bay by the might of the US and other influenceable nations who ironically hold global influence in turn. The Arabs who surround you deeply dislike you, and it's not hard to see why. Their governments are by design benign and inept, they will not stay that way forever. Israel's current economic, military and diplomatic dominance, which is partly due to its own achievements and otherwise due to the numerous and immeasurable blessings bestowed upon it by the US, might not last.

The Palestinians are a stateless people, their situation is weak. Surrounding nations also have unfriendly populations, but their political systems, long since colonised don't reflect the opinions of the people. This can't last forever, and it seems to me that Israel does much of the instigating in many conflicts and issues that arise. I don't see any viability or sense in the more hawkish policy your state adopts.

Well I've seen too many "ISIS = Israeli Secret Intelligence Service" comments claiming Israel is controling ISIS, protecting ISIS, etc. And they have some legitimate reasons to believe in that. In one way or the other Israel wins.

Israel had way more enemies surrounding it than now and won against all of them, and now the enemies that surround us are at their weakest states. We've removed Egypt and Jordan from our equation, our only enemies that border us are Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinians, and some proxy troops from Iran, none of which are able to impose an existential threat against Israel. Meanwhile Israel gets ties with the Gulf countries, our situation is far from unsustainable l, we actually have more allies than ever.

Again, even if you claim Israel once heavily relied on US aid (And it doesn't matter, as I said and you agreed connections are a strength by itself), we don't anymore. They give us 1% of our GDP in military aid, we won't instantly die even if they stop it (And they probably wont).

The "Israel causes instability" option is not out of the table, and as I said, it doesn't matter since we get our interests anyways.

 

[delta2]

Regardless, your nations are paralized, many believe Israel and the US created ISIS, if that's true Israel won by destabilizing it's enemies to the point they're not able to resist, let alone conquer Israel.
If we didn't create them then we are innocent and the reason of our victories is not our success but your failure.The Arab world was never united and there's no reason to believe it will, how will you defeat us in any of the cases?

I didn't get your analogy to Egypt.

Well I've seen too many "ISIS = Israeli Secret Intelligence Service" comments claiming Israel is controling ISIS, protecting ISIS, etc. And they have some legitimate reasons to believe in that. In one way or the other Israel wins.

Israel had way more enemies surrounding it than now and won against all of them, and now the enemies that surround us are at their weakest states. We've removed Egypt and Jordan from our equation, our only enemies that border us are Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinians, and some proxy troops from Iran, none of which are able to impose an existential threat against Israel. Meanwhile Israel gets ties with the Gulf countries, our situation is far from unsustainable l, we actually have more allies than ever.

Again, even if you claim Israel once heavily relied on US aid (And it doesn't matter, as I said and you agreed connections are a strength by itself), we don't anymore. They give us 1% of our GDP in military aid, we won't instantly die even if they stop it (And they probably wont).

The "Israel causes instability" option is not out of the table, and as I said, it doesn't matter since we get our interests anyways.

The British colonial forces displaced a native population to create a reliable and long lasting post. Later on the United States took over the responsibility of maintaining that area.

The so called enemies of yours weren't fighting against you. They made the mistake of going to war against the United States military machine.

Without the support from the West, the area you called Israel would have been abandoned by the Eastern Europeans 50 years ago. The only difference between Israel and Zimbabwe is that Israel is a military post of the West, supported by the West, and funded by the West unconditionally. Otherwise a normal set of real meaningful sanctions would have brought it to a stand still within a few hours.

No one here is going to believe that Israel is standing alone. It never was alone, and it hasn't been in decades.

 

[khansaheeb]

• Only commit genocide in bangladesh right, ofcourse, bangladesh has no women and children right
• Never run from a battle, and yet never won one
• Safeguard your border and yet suicide attacks still happen
• Remember history, you muslims are just a copy paste religion from judaism

Just BS Hindjew propaganda. We have real evidence, you just provide fake news. You will be held to account for the war crimes you are committing. Thank God I am a Muslim and not a Jew.

 

[khansaheeb]

I never claimed anything about Israel's possible responsibility for the failures and predicament of some Arab nations. Kindly don't strawman me. Israel isn't to blame for the state of Middle East countries and what becomes of them — save maybe Iran, given Israel's influence on US policy vis-à-vis Iran.

As for the part in bold, you're right that it's a strength and that any country would do its utmost to build and then leverage support to promote its own interests. My observation isn't some spiteful or jealous remark.

I in part mean to point out, as I've done before on this forum. Israel's current position is highly unsustainable. It has made far, far too many enemies in its neighbourhoods, and far too many unsympathetic governments in the world, whose ire is only kept at bay by the might of the US and other influenceable nations who ironically hold global influence in turn. The Arabs who surround you deeply dislike you, and it's not hard to see why. Their governments are by design benign and inept, they will not stay that way forever. Israel's current economic, military and diplomatic dominance, which is partly due to its own achievements and otherwise due to the numerous and immeasurable blessings bestowed upon it by the US, might not last.

The Palestinians are a stateless people, their situation is weak. Surrounding nations also have unfriendly populations, but their political systems, long since colonised don't reflect the opinions of the people. This can't last forever, and it seems to me that Israel does much of the instigating in many conflicts and issues that arise. I don't see any viability or sense in the more hawkish policy your state adopts.

The Israelis are making even more enemies with their racist policies:-

https://www.iol.co.za/news/opinion/israel-no-country-for-black-people-12900274

 

[Beny Karachun]

The British colonial forces displaced a native population to create a reliable and long lasting post. Later on the United States took over the responsibility of maintaining that area.

The so called enemies of yours weren't fighting against you. They made the mistake of going to war against the United States military machine.

Without the support from the West, the area you called Israel would have been abandoned by the Eastern Europeans 50 years ago. The only difference between Israel and Zimbabwe is that Israel is a military post of the West, supported by the West, and funded by the West unconditionally. Otherwise a normal set of real meaningful sanctions would have brought it to a stand still within a few hours.

No one here is going to believe that Israel is standing alone. It never was alone, and it hasn't been in decades.

Aren't the Jews in control of the US?
"The US is Israel's puppet" according to Muslims, Russians and Americans that hate Israel. When you fight against the US, you fight against Israel. That's all according to you.

Pathetic, all you can do is claim things that are impossible to predict, "Israel without x is nothing"
Too bad Israel HAS support and one of Israel's strength, the reason you will NEVER be able to defeat us is our connections, and you can only keep crying about how Israel gets aid and make it the reason for your DEFEAT.
No one in this world gives a single **** about the reason we win every single war against you, for all they know we are stronger. And having connections to our allies IS called being stronger, and making hypothetical situations where we are without them are exactly what they are, HYPOTHETICAL, unreal, and even then you don't know the outcome of such situations.

Israel IS NOT standing alone, Israel DOES get support, it's just that now, even without that US aid, Israel will screw your *** a thousand times over and if needed will make its enemies' land inhospitable to LIZARDS for the next millennium. And that's not even the situation, Israel HAS support and will continue to have it! Israel starts to train in Europe and the Pacific with NATO, what the **** will the Arab world do if Israel joins NATO? whine "Oh without NATO you will be destroyed"? do you even realize, how pathetic and miserable you sound?

The Israelis are making even more enemies with their racist policies:-

https://www.iol.co.za/news/opinion/israel-no-country-for-black-people-12900274

Yeah there is no place for good-for-nothing African "refugees" in Israel.

By the way you are diverting the subject of the thread because you're losing, that's also pathetic.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Aren't the Jews in control of the US?

Nop. On the other hand, America controls Israel just like Russia controls Syria.

 

[khansaheeb]

When regimes are morally weak they increase their military expenditure because they know they are going to be held to account for their actions. What use are your f-35s if you are easily shot down by simplistic moral arguments. Israel might have the best jets in the world but they have the worst moral values.

 

[delta2]

Aren't the Jews in control of the US?
"The US is Israel's puppet" according to Muslims, Russians and Americans that hate Israel. When you fight against the US, you fight against Israel. That's all according to you.

Pathetic, all you can do is claim things that are impossible to predict, "Israel without x is nothing"
Too bad Israel HAS support and one of Israel's strength, the reason you will NEVER be able to defeat us is our connections, and you can only keep crying about how Israel gets aid and make it the reason for your DEFEAT.
No one in this world gives a single **** about the reason we win every single war against you, for all they know we are stronger. And having connections to our allies IS called being stronger, and making hypothetical situations where we are without them are exactly what they are, HYPOTHETICAL, unreal, and even then you don't know the outcome of such situations.

Israel IS NOT standing alone, Israel DOES get support, it's just that now, even without that US aid, Israel will screw your *** a thousand times over and if needed will make its enemies' land inhospitable to LIZARDS for the next millennium. And that's not even the situation, Israel HAS support and will continue to have it! Israel starts to train in Europe and the Pacific with NATO, what the **** will the Arab world do if Israel joins NATO? whine "Oh without NATO you will be destroyed"? do you even realize, how pathetic and miserable you sound?


Yeah there is no place for good-for-nothing African "refugees" in Israel.

By the way you are diverting the subject of the thread because you're losing, that's also pathetic.

Lesson number one, don't assume someone is an Arab by default. I am not an Arab.

The USA is a world empire! Only a fool would think that some small time colonial outpost like Israel is somehow in charge of one of the largest world empires in the history. How can a military outpost be in charge of the headquarters of an empire? You are a fool if you think YOU have any influence over the USA/West. They have an imperial interest in maintaining that outpost. Just like it is in the interest of the USA to monitor the rest of the world trade routes.

Man to man, equal arms and weapons, even the Palestinian refugees would make minced meat out of you guys.

You have not been in even a single battle against us, let alone a war. The last time you were in a real war 6+ million of your brethren were systematically eliminated and not a single one of you put up a significant fight.

The moment you dare to step into a battlefield against Pakistan, there would be no mention of your existence left in this world. Pakistan has fought an enemy 10 times bigger to a stand still even with a bad economy + sanctions. All you have to brag about is being a colonial outpost of a world empire.

Your soldiers cried tears and had to wear adult diapers in small skirmishes against a shitty organization like Hizbullah, and you turn around and call it a war. Don't ever think everyone else is unable to fight back like state-less Palestinians or refugees from Gaza.