Israel & GCC discussing War with Iran in Warsa

[Foxtrot Delta]

I think pakistan russia china and india will oppose any war with iran by anyone

 

[Blue In Green]

That's exactly what they're trying to achieve, but we won't let Iran get it.


Was already known my ***, we shipped a whole container worth of information that only a select few Iranians, and the whole Israeli intelligence service knew where it is, and Israel managed to ship it from Iran without anyone noticing. Mossad is all over your country, your scientists randomly dying, bases blowing up, centrifuges failing, it's all Mossad.
Mossad won't win the war, but it's definitly an asset, Israel is capable of sending special forces that will meet up with the Mossad, easily multiplying the amount of damage Israel is able to cause from within Iran. They wouldn't win the war either, our plans would be much bigger than that. All we need is a green light and a major part of your chain-of-command will be assassinated. The purpose of destroying that missile base wasn't for the sole intention of destroying one, you had some valuable personel that died there.


I said Iran's ballistic missiles are not an existential threat against us, Iranian missiles aren't that big, aren't that strong and aren't that accurate. As you can see Irans missiles wouldn't target solely Israel, but they would be split against other nations. Now you have the fact that a part of the ones that will target Israel will not reach Israel, perhaps they would blow up in Iran like that Shahab 3 missile base, or maybe they will just crash in their way to Israel, then there are the missiles that would be intercepted by Israel, given Israels expertise in that field, there would be quite a few of them. The ones that will not be intercpted, have a CEP ranging from 300 to 3000 meters, which is quite large, they can't reliably target infastructure, only use those missiles as weapons of terror.
Netanyahu already said that if you would try to destroy Haifaand Tel Aviv you will fail, but we would quite literally end you in return.





We would make up a fight, probably a much bigger fight than anything America has seen in the last 70 years, however if America changes into a war economy and get all its aircraft carriers within range of Israel, then it's only a question of time.

Let us get one thing STRAIGHT first, I was born in the United States, so saying "you" is absolutely disingenuous (DO NOT associate me with the Iranian nation, or government, although I have sentimental feelings for Iran, I'm not a 100% supporter and I'm American by right, law, whatever have you). This isn't me trying to cop out and choose sides when it's most convenient for me. I view myself first and foremost as an American. There are multiple members here who will back up that claim. But moving on...

"Was already known my ***, we shipped a whole container worth of information that only a select few Iranians, and the whole Israeli intelligence service knew where it is, and Israel managed to ship it from Iran without anyone noticing. Mossad is all over your country, your scientists randomly dying, bases blowing up, centrifuges failing, it's all Mossad.
Mossad won't win the war, but it's definitly an asset, Israel is capable of sending special forces that will meet up with the Mossad, easily multiplying the amount of damage Israel is able to cause from within Iran. They wouldn't win the war either, our plans would be much bigger than that. All we need is a green light and a major part of your chain-of-command will be assassinated. The purpose of destroying that missile base wasn't for the sole intention of destroying one, you had some valuable personel that died there."

The long term tangible effects of assassinating personal in a nation that has a large pool of talented people to call upon during war time is a mute point since the more you kill, another one will take their place (80 million, Beny, 80 million). I sincerely don't think the Iranians are deterred one bit from Israels suppose ability to seemingly freely operate in Iran (if this is true then the Iranians who helped Israel complete its goals are feckless traitors with little to no back bone). Evidently they keep on expanding their abilities, again, this runs counter to Israels claims of wanting to stop Iran from being able to, when Iran is already able to produce and field CMs and BMs accurate enough to carry nuclear missiles. If i'm not mistaken the JCPOA and the signatories completely disregarded that "information" Israel supposedly stole due to the fact that most if not all that "information" was already disclosed in closed door meetings with the signatories of the JCPOA (The Europeans wouldn't have signed it if they didn't get a good scope of just what the Iranians had completely thus far). You put 100% faith in Mossad, where as I will cast doubt. I won't press this point though as It wouldn't matter what either of us say to one another. You'll believe Mossad is unstoppable, I will doubt their capabilities and reporting.

Again, I HIGHLY DOUBT that Israel can put a significant crutch in Irans overall ability to test, produce and filed BMs and missiles that can reach Israel. This is something they will continue to progress on no matter you or me say or feel.

"I said Iran's ballistic missiles are not an existential threat against us, Iranian missiles aren't that big, aren't that strong and aren't that accurate. As you can see Irans missiles wouldn't target solely Israel, but they would be split against other nations. Now you have the fact that a part of the ones that will target Israel will not reach Israel, perhaps they would blow up in Iran like that Shahab 3 missile base, or maybe they will just crash in their way to Israel, then there are the missiles that would be intercepted by Israel, given Israels expertise in that field, there would be quite a few of them. The ones that will not be intercpted, have a CEP ranging from 300 to 3000 meters, which is quite large, they can't reliably target infastructure, only use those missiles as weapons of terror.
Netanyahu already said that if you would try to destroy Haifaand Tel Aviv you will fail, but we would quite literally end you in return."

I will agree on the part of Israel intercepting a uncertain amount of the incoming missiles (Israels self-reporting of AMB systems efficacy is something that I take issue with since you can always cook the numbers and whatnot). But FACTUALLY Iran has made great strides in reducing the CEP of their missiles. How you overlooked that is beyond me. What happens when the Iranians have a powerful/sizable arsenal of missiles with a low CEP and can decimate just about anything they hit? Will Israel then launch of a pre-emptive nuclear strike?

Furthermore, on the field evidence of Iran making good on their claims regarding better CEP with BMs and Quasi-BMs has been shown time and time again. The new Dezful missiles are able to be launched from Western Iran and hit targets Anywhere in Northern Israel. Iran struck with said Quasi-BMs a Kurdish militant groups base in Iraq using the BMs, killed a good portion of their higher ups all in one go. This is a significant milestone for the Iranian military. If Irans BMs/missiles weren't a credible threat, then nations in the Middle East wouldn't invest heavily in ABM technology, fielding Patriots, THAADS, David Slings, etc...

Adding to the increasing destructive power and accuracy of Iranian missiles. Iran is also fielding more and more advanced Drones that carry larger payloads, they even implemented an internal launch bay and fully adopted the flying wing design. They have a somewhat stealthy option now available for them to use.

"We would make up a fight, probably a much bigger fight than anything America has seen in the last 70 years, however if America changes into a war economy and get all its aircraft carriers within range of Israel, then it's only a question of time."

Fair enough, we Americans would logically just destroy Israeli targets until surrender, makes sense.

"That's exactly what they're trying to achieve, but we won't let Iran get it."

This point Beny is something you really need to think over good and hard. You are saying that Israel can completely and utterly stop a nation of 80 million from obtaining nuclear weapons (Most Iranians want nuclear energy, and if their security is sufficiently threatened, they will push for nuclear weapons) for retaliation or deterrence if they so deem fit. The pure depth of your hubris and unremitting arrogance in thinking that Iran wouldn't be able to produce one is just baffling. to put it bluntly, you're an idiot for thinking this. Iran chose not to pursue nuclear weapons production after their initial run back in 2003 when they came to the conclusion that they didn't need them back then. But, things are evidently different now.

The more I hear Israelis posting on forums the internet over, the more clearer it has become to me that you guys are fiercely vindictive and have long term plans for the Middle East that includes gobbling up oil and more lands from your neighbors. It makes PERFECT sense why Iran, Syria, Lebanon would want to counter-act your long-term policies. Unless Southern Lebabon is not in Israels long-term plans and that is just hyperbole.

Anyways, you put WAY too much trust in Israels espionage abilities and put little to no credence in Irans self-determination. 80 million people Beny, 80 million with the means to defend themselves if pushed to that point. They have the know how and the infrastructure.

 

[Cthulhu]

Anyone who tries to destroy Israel will receive tactical nukes. Israel is "al-dar al-baqiya, الدار الباقية", It's here to stay forever. Muslims should pronounce this fact 5 times a day so that they start to live it, The sooner some ppl start living with this irreversible fact the better.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Remember when a Shahab 3 missile base suddenly blew up in 2011, along with Gen. Hassan Tehrani Moghaddam, the head of Irans missile program, and dozens of more Iranians? I wonder what caused it. Must have been the wind.

You guys tends to attribute everything to yourself what blew up was a solid engine and shahab 3 does not have solid engine . also what blew up was not missile base it Was a research and development base.

That's exactly what they're trying to achieve, but we won't let Iran get it.

Again You evaluate everyone by your standard . we even don't have chemical or biological weapons while we have one of the most advanced chemical and medical infrastructure in the region. .

Iranian missiles aren't that big, aren't that strong and aren't that accurate.

How many countries post videos of the impact point of their missiles or in case of khoramshahr target view of the warhead when it fall on it ?

 

[OldTwilight]

WE SHOULD HAVE NUKES ...

unfortunately , sane men like me have no power in Iran ...

 

[DavidSling]

WE SHOULD HAVE NUKES ...

unfortunately , sane men like me have no power in Iran ...

Or maybe more sane idea is to cease actions against the countries in the region? wouldn't it profit the Iranian people ?

 

[Hack-Hook]

Or maybe more sane idea is to cease actions against the countries in the region? wouldn't it profit the Iranian people ?

I don't recall we taking any action against other sovereign countries in the region.

 

[DavidSling]

I don't recall we taking any action against other sovereign countries in the region.

Using proxies in the entirety of the middle east count as a hostile action

 

[Hack-Hook]

Using proxies in the entirety of the middle east count as a hostile action

Which countries ? Iraq? Syria? Lebanon?

 

[DavidSling]

Which countries ? Iraq? Syria? Lebanon?

• Storing weapons in Sudan
• Arming Hamas against Israel, Egypt and Palestinian Authority
• Arming none goverment organizations with weapons in Lebanon and Iraq
• Supporting other terror groups against GCC and trying to smuggle weapons inside their countries.

isn't it enough?

 

[Hack-Hook]

• Storing weapons in Sudan
• Arming Hamas against Israel, Egypt and Palestinian Authority
• Arming none goverment organizations with weapons in Lebanon and Iraq
• Supporting other terror groups against GCC and trying to smuggle weapons inside their countries.

isn't it enough?

Nothing is stored in sudan , when they were more friendly with us we built some weapon factory for them and gave them small amount for them , these days they rather get hard cash instead of having relation with us.

I don't recall we even built qassam missiles , our support is only morally. And as far as I'm aware its others who attack Hamas.
Hezbollah is governmental organization and if Lebanon army or government want it disarmed they can tell it to them and if they did not comply they can announce the organization unlawful.
And as far as im aware the group we arm in Iraq are under the control of Iraqi prime minister so how they are nongovernmental.

And you still failed to show evidence of your last claim only baseless accusation.

 

[DavidSling]

Nothing is stored in sudan , when they were more friendly with us we built some weapon factory for them and gave them small amount for them , these days they rather get hard cash instead of having relation with us.

I don't recall we even built qassam missiles , our support is only morally. And as far as I'm aware its others who attack Hamas.
Hezbollah is governmental organization and if Lebanon army or government want it disarmed they can tell it to them and if they did not comply they can announce the organization unlawful.
And as far as im aware the group we arm in Iraq are under the control of Iraqi prime minister so how they are nongovernmental.

And you still failed to show evidence of your last claim only baseless accusation.

Sudan storing Iranian weapons
http://www.sudantribune.com/Iranian-weapons-pass-through-Sudan,37331

Arming Hamas against Israel
See the link above
also
https://www.haaretz.com/1.5093875
https://www.timesofisrael.com/is-in-sinai-seizes-weapons-shipment-sent-from-iran-to-hamas-report/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/nov/21/iran-supplied-hamas-missile-technology
https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/e...fire-gaza-strip-will-reach-cities-israel-res/
http://www.israelhayom.com/2018/05/...s-iran-supplies-group-with-weapons-expertise/

Arming and supporting Hizbullah
Hizbullah is not a GOVERMENT organization but a POLITICAL organization, there's a MAJOR difference.
It's like you'll give the democrates rockets and artillery shells to use as they will against anyone who stands in their way.
Arming a NONE goverment organization is influencing lebanon in any possible way.

Houthis
https://www.thenational.ae/world/me...cing-houthis-in-yemen-un-experts-say-1.815367
https://aawsat.com/english/home/article/1301591/new-un-report-confirms-iran’s-missile-support-houthis

Smuggling weapons

http://www.tradearabia.com/news/MISC_291379.html

 

[Hack-Hook]

Sudan storing Iranian weapons
http://www.sudantribune.com/Iranian-weapons-pass-through-Sudan,37331

Arming Hamas against Israel
See the link above
also
https://www.haaretz.com/1.5093875
https://www.timesofisrael.com/is-in-sinai-seizes-weapons-shipment-sent-from-iran-to-hamas-report/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/nov/21/iran-supplied-hamas-missile-technology
https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/e...fire-gaza-strip-will-reach-cities-israel-res/
http://www.israelhayom.com/2018/05/...s-iran-supplies-group-with-weapons-expertise/

Arming and supporting Hizbullah
Hizbullah is not a GOVERMENT organization but a POLITICAL organization, there's a MAJOR difference.
It's like you'll give the democrates rockets and artillery shells to use as they will against anyone who stands in their way.
Arming a NONE goverment organization is influencing lebanon in any possible way.

Houthis
https://www.thenational.ae/world/me...cing-houthis-in-yemen-un-experts-say-1.815367
https://aawsat.com/english/home/article/1301591/new-un-report-confirms-iran’s-missile-support-houthis

Smuggling weapons

http://www.tradearabia.com/news/MISC_291379.html

Well about sudan its from 2010 and all are USA hallucinations without any evidence .

About Hezbollah as I said Lebanon government can decide on that and they never complained to us .
And Yemen parliament voted hadi out after he failed to do the single task he was supposed to do and what we saw there was revolution for democracy against had I the unlawful dictator . and non of those report are proof as Yemen is under siege and even if we want we can't smuggle anything there specially missiles. And honestly you are complaining about iran humanitarian fuel shipment to yemen for poor Yemeni people who are under siege and have no access to fuel for winter season.

 

[Sineva]

Heres an interview everyone should read,in it secretary of state pompeo admits that the reason the us is negotiating without preconditions with the dprk is BECAUSE OF ITS NUCLEAR ARSENAL
https://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2019/02/289467.htm
https://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2019/02/289467.htm


QUESTION: Yes. Iran needs to meet 12 conditions before it will – before the U.S. would be willing to negotiate a new nuclear deal. Why are there no preconditions for North Korea?

SECRETARY POMPEO: We’ve made very clear that these situations are very different. We take each of them where we find them. North Korea today has weapons, nuclear weapons, capable of reaching the United States of America. This is a threat that President Trump said we needed to take on now and take on immediately. The President’s chosen to meet with Chairman Kim. I’ve now met with him several times myself. We’re very hopeful that we can push them back. Remember too, North Korea behaves very differently. They’re not destabilizing Yemen. They’re not destabilizing Syria. They’re not conducting enormous assassination campaigns. These countries’ behaviors are different, therefore, the way America is approaching resolving this.

I really,really hope that rouhani and co,and those others within the iranian political elite who think that there can be a "dialogue among civilizations" between iran and the west,read this interview.

 

[Kastor]

Using proxies in the entirety of the middle east count as a hostile action

Lol, are you seriously sitting in Tel Aviv asking about Iran's malign activities...are you giggling like a girl as you type this BS? You live in Israel my man, the country that kill civilians with sniper rifles, keeps innocent men, women and children in open air prisons, the country that bombs civilian blocks to the ground in Lebanon, the country that cuts-off water to Palestinian farmers so they go broke and sell their land. Your people assassinate freely elected officials, scientists and activists. Your country armed and treated ISIS terrorists. You and your country have ZERO right to be talking to us, ZERO! We're a proud, upstanding race with a legendary history, unlike yours.