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India Thwarts Israeli Destruction of Pakistan's "Islamic Bomb"

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May 1995
There is some evidence that Iraq was not the only nuclear peril to Israel that Begin saw in the early 1980s. Nor was the Osirak reactor in Iraq his only intended target. He also feared the Pakistani nuclear effort because Israeli intelligence had found evidence that Libya and other Moslem states were helping Pakistan, supplying both money and uranium to their effort. (Note 52) Pakistan's leader, Bhutto, was therefore under some obligation to share the nuclear fruits of Pakistan's bomb effort with other Moslem states such as Libya.

According to an Indian official, Subramaniam Swamy, a former Janata Party member, Israel in 1982 asked him to sound out other Indian leaders to see if India would grant Israeli warplanes landing and refueling rights were they to undertake an Osirak-type raid against the Kahuta nuclear reactor in Pakistan. (Note 53) India refused, probably for a combination of reasons. As one expert on South Asia speculated:

"First, the Kahuta facility is well-protected and is thus a hard target to destroy. Second and more important, India expects that any first strike by India against Kahuta would be swiftly followed by a Pakistani attack against India's nuclear facilities. Such an exchange would leave India worse off, since any potential deterrent capability against China would thereby be eliminated. Finally, India would be wary of launching such an attack against Pakistan as it would cause not only great death and destruction to Pakistan, but could blow radioactive fall-out back over India. Such an attack against Pakistan would also alienate the Muslim Middle Eastern states whose amity India has assiduously cultivated." (Note 54)

In 1991, India and Pakistan signed a treaty pledging that neither would preemptively attack the nuclear facilities of the other.

References.

52. See Steve Weissman and Herbert Krosney, Chapter 5, "Colonel Quaddafi's Bomb," and Chapters 11-13 on the Pakistani nuclear project in The Islamic Bomb: The Nuclear Threat to Israel and the Middle East (New York: Times Books, 1981),pp. 53-65 and pp. 162-223.

53. Based on an interview granted Neil Joeck by former Janata Party member Subramaniam Swamy, January 1984. See Neil Joeck, "Pakistani Security and Nuclear Proliferation in South Asia," in Joeck, ed., Strategic Consequences of Nuclear Proliferation in South Asia (London: Frank Cass, 1986) p. 89. See also, "India Said to Eye Raid on Pakistani A-Plants," The Washington Post, December 20, 1982, p. 9; "The Islamic Bomb," in The Wall Street Journal, January 17, 1983, p. 24; and, finally, in AFour Minutes to Islamabad," Pakistan Times, April 1, 1985, p. 6.

54. Ibid.


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So people of Pakistan , i know there is a self proclaimed "enlightened & liberal" mob here [Including some TT's and a mod] who brush off concerns about Israel and even deny that Israel actually had an "operational" plan in place to attack and destroy our Nuclear facilities.What they believed was an "Islamic Bomb" hence a "threat to the security of Israel".

This report was published by the National Institute for strategic studies which is the primary research institution of National Defense University. Its fellows conduct research regarding national security policy and design and conduct strategic gaming exercises.

Because its goals for United States strategy aim for minimal conflict, the staff frequently hosts and visits the military research institutes of other nations, most importantly those of the People's Republic of China, the Republic of China, Japan, and the Russian Federation. The meetings are meant to foster collaboration and understanding.

To provide a forum for the research conducted, INSS also publishes the Joint Forces Quarterly, a magazine that covers the specific issues related to national security and military strategy.

Similarly, since the institute's establishment in 1984, the fellows have published hundreds of scholarly papers under the NDU Press imprint as well as other specialized journals and fellows frequently publish in the op-ed section of many papers.

Yes it is an American Military institute therefore obviously more credible than our " poor , undereducated and ill informed Ex Military brass." :rolleyes: Who have been beating the truth out for a while but this "particular mob" doesn't move.

So this is a "highly credible American source" saying the same damn thing , so either you should change your mind & stop lying to public and us youth in particular or take it as a slap in your ignorant face and shut up.

Israel is an enemy of Pakistan and they wont change , neither should we.

Have a good day.

Regards: Aeronaut
 
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Subramaniam Swamy is no Indian official and is still the party president of the Janata Party.

He is what some people would call an extremist ideologue. The fact that this article quotes him as a sourceand wrongly calls him an Indian official destroys the entire credibility of the article.
 
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Subramaniam Swamy is no Indian official and is still the party president of the Janata Party.

He is what some people would call an extremist ideologue. The fact that this article quotes him as a sourceand wrongly calls him and Indian official destroys the entire credibility of the article.

And we are supposed to believe an insignificant bharti cyberworrier ? , the source is National defense university and is one of the most highly trusted in military circles around the planet and this is a piece of a research paper not some random dogma written by an Indian cyberworrier.

Lastly swami is not the only source quoted , i am surprised there people who could ignore it.
 
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And we are supposed to believe an insignificant bharti cyberworrier ? , the source is National defense university and is one of the most highly trusted in military circles around the planet and this is a piece of a research paper not some random dogma written by an Indian cyberworrier.

Lastly swami is not the only source quoted , i am surprised there people who could ignore it.

That doesn't mean that NDU can make mistakes. Do some research on him and you will know what I mean.

I am not saying that Israel didn't try to attack Kahuta. Maybe they did. But the shoddy work done by the author destroys the credibility of the article.

Besides he quotes a "South Asia expert" speculated. The expert could well be an American.

Other than the private word of Swamy, there is no other direct proof. And his word along is no proof. It doesn't mean that Israel didn't try to attack, but it doesn't become proof either. google and read up on Swamy and you will know what type of a person he is.
 
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Lets put it this way.. has, does and would Israel have issues with a Pakistani Nuclear capability.
Yes they do, simply because the unknown factor that a Pakistani nuke may wind up with the Iranians in case Israel decides to take action.
Do the Israeli's see overtly attacking the Pakistani nuke as the best option.. NO.
The best option (for both India and Israel) is to have the Pakistani nuclear program defame, discredited and denounced.
If they can get the world community (read western) to force Pakistan to relinquish its Nuclear weapons program, or have leadership supplanted in Pakistan that renders the nuclear element irrelevant. It is by far a better investment than a strike force.
And possibly a lot more beneficial in the long run.
 
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And we are supposed to believe an insignificant bharti cyberworrier ? , the source is National defense university and is one of the most highly trusted in military circles around the planet and this is a piece of a research paper not some random dogma written by an Indian cyberworrier.

Lastly swami is not the only source quoted , i am surprised there people who could ignore it.

That article is a collection of guesswork hypothesis, speculation and inference. Never mind where it came from, even god himself/herself.
Or did Asma Lata spill the beans on that? :what:
 
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a typical baking own cake and eating it too scenario. :(
 
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That article is a collection of guesswork hypothesis, speculation and inference. Never mind where it came from, even god himself/herself.
Or did Asma Lata spill the beans on that? :what:

If you can't contribute tho the topic , you better shut up , no one has time to listen to your non constructive trash:blah: :blah:
 
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That doesn't mean that NDU can make mistakes. Do some research on him and you will know what I mean.

I am not saying that Israel didn't try to attack Kahuta. Maybe they did. But the shoddy work done by the author destroys the credibility of the article.

Besides he quotes a "South Asia expert" speculated. The expert could well be an American.

Other than the private word of Swamy, there is no other direct proof. And his word along is no proof. It doesn't mean that Israel didn't try to attack, but it doesn't become proof either. google and read up on Swamy and you will know what type of a person he is.

The article doesn't revolve around swami only & trashing swami's POV just considering his personality is dogmatic as there is absolutely no proof that he didn't say it.

He was part of the BJP a multiple time ruling party , one can take swami lightly but there are many many other sources which cant be ignored including ACM Anwar Shamim.
 
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Lets put it this way.. has, does and would Israel have issues with a Pakistani Nuclear capability.
Yes they do, simply because the unknown factor that a Pakistani nuke may wind up with the Iranians in case Israel decides to take action.
Do the Israeli's see overtly attacking the Pakistani nuke as the best option.. NO.
The best option (for both India and Israel) is to have the Pakistani nuclear program defame, discredited and denounced.
If they can get the world community (read western) to force Pakistan to relinquish its Nuclear weapons program, or have leadership supplanted in Pakistan that renders the nuclear element irrelevant. It is by far a better investment than a strike force.
And possibly a lot more beneficial in the long run.

Couldn't agree more with you , i have a friend at NDU [Pak] who just advised the same. But one point you must not ignore is that we need to get consensus amongst Pakistanis about who is who and what exactly they want to do and how will they do it.

Israel didn't attack Pakistan because of the consequences , India cannot attack Pakistan's Nuclear facilities for the similar reasons and both of them are playing their dirty game as you have just summed up.

To know the enemy we must know their intentions and scrutinize their past doings and dealing with us , we need to have a right assessment and a pragmatic strategy in place to open our options up in every scenario and we must communicate our countermeasures to the wider public and the youth.

IndoIsraeli designs against us are clearer than ever and it would be stupid of us not to prepare for it , not only to defend but also to react with deadly force.
You must agree that our Nuclear deterrent is one big reason why we exist as a country today and it must be safeguarded at all costs.

I hope our "liberal" mob understands it too.

Cheers.
 
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Indeed Israel is out of the question but what about our buddy America.

According to the London Sunday Express, Obama has already approved an aggressive move along these lines: “US troops will be deployed in Pakistan if the nation’s nuclear installations come under threat from terrorists out to avenge the killing of Osama Bin Laden… The plan, which would be activated without President Zardari’s consent, provoked an angry reaction from Pakistan officials… Barack Obama would order troops to parachute in to protect key nuclear missile sites. These include the air force’s central Sargodha HQ, home base for nuclear-capable F-16 combat aircraft and at least 80 ballistic missiles.” According to a US official, “The plan is green lit and the President has already shown he is willing to deploy troops in Pakistan if he feels it is important for national security

Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | World News :: US ‘to protect Pakistan’

Further..........

Alex Neill, of the Royal United Services Institute, said: “The United States places its own national security issues above all other sovereignty issues and trust in Pakistan’s abilities are extremely low.

Pakistan after OBL raid should not under estimate the gravity of these statements.
 
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What exactly does this have to do between liberal and conservative?


Not to be taken literately , the people i am referring to describe themselves as "liberals" who apparently know more than anyone else at all times.
 
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IndoIsraeli designs against us are clearer than ever and it would be stupid of us not to prepare for it , not only to defend but also to react with deadly force.
You must agree that our Nuclear deterrent is one big reason why we exist as a country today and it must be safeguarded at all costs.


Well, I hope that someone will care to explain that how are we going to strike back and protect our nuclear arsenals?? As Santro says (and I hope with which everyone will agree) that Israel is trying to defame our Nuclear program; then after knowing this how will we avoid this as most of the media around the world is controlled by these people. . :what:
 
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