Isn’t ‘Illegal Bangladeshi’ Racist Shorthand For Bengali Speaking Muslims In Assam

[INDIC]

You guys demand that you from China, and suddenly chinese started using Pakrit (Bengali actually ) .. Dont you think you contradict yourself? How did you loose your original language. We dont understand Bodo. Can we? NO. Can we understand Mizo? NO. Can we understand Nagas? No. But we understand Assamese.. Why? Because its Bengali.

Assamese is an Indo-Aryan language like Bengali, others are Tibeto-Burmese languages. Now, your crappy logic sounds very bizarre and they are much Chinese as much a Bangladeshi is a Malaysian.

 

[TopCat]

Assamese is an Indo-Aryan language like Bengali, others are Tibeto-Burmese languages. Now, your crappy logic sounds very bizarre and they are much Chinese as much a Bangladeshi is a Malaysian.

Assamese are a little deviated from of Bengali. They use the same script as Bengali. They use same verb as Bengali. They use 95% same grammar as Bengali.

See the grouping here

Bengali–Assamese languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[INDIC]

Assamese are a little deviated from of Bengali. They use the same script as Bengali. They use same verb as Bengali. They use 95% same grammar as Bengali.

See the grouping here

Bengali–Assamese languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How a common looking script proves they are similar, by your logic Hindi and Nepali will be same because they use common writing system. All Indo-Aryan languages have similar grammar and similar syntax of letters based on ancestral Brahmi script.

 

[TopCat]

How a common looking script proves they are similar, by your logic Hindi and Nepali will be same because they use common writing system. All Indo-Aryan languages have similar grammar and similar syntax of letters based on ancestral Brahmi script.

See Assamese were put in the same group of Bengali dialect (link provided). And these are done by linguist not me.

They did not put Mizo or Naga or Khasi in this group.

 

[INDIC]

See Assamese were put in the same group of Bengali dialect (link provided). And these are done by linguist not me.

They did not put Mizo or Naga or Khasi in this group.

Mizo and Naga are Tibeto-Burmese languages why will they sounds like Bengali and Assamese is an Indo-Aryan language. Do you have any basic idea of language family Indo-Aryan, Tibeto-Burmese, Dravidian.

 

[TopCat]

Mizo and Naga are Tibeto-Burmese languages why will they sounds like Bengali and Assamese is an Indo-Aryan language. Do you have any basic idea of language family Indo-Aryan, Tibeto-Burmese, Dravidian.

YOu are using circular logic. Link provided. See the grouping and Assamese are just subset of Bengali like Chittagonian, Sylheti, Rajbonsi, Chakma and all are Indo-Aryan. Hindi, Orya, Nepali etc also Indop-Aryan but not Bengali.

 

[INDIC]

YOu are using circular logic. Link provided. See the grouping and Assamese are just subset of Bengali like Chittagonian, Sylheti, Rajbonsi, Chakma and all are Indo-Aryan. Hindi, Orya, Nepali etc also Indop-Aryan but not Bengali.

Oriya, Bengali, Maithili and Bengali are similar sounding languages. Your logic is crap. You need to stop libeling some independent languages as a dialect of Bengali.

 

[Jayanta]

Assamese is an Indo-Aryan language like Bengali, others are Tibeto-Burmese languages. Now, your crappy logic sounds very bizarre and they are much Chinese as much a Bangladeshi is a Malaysian.

Leave it...you can take a donkey to the water...you can't make him drink. There is no point arguing with a nitwit...nothing can change him. One donkey's beliefs won't change the truth...

 

[Joe Shearer]

Common sense is the most uncommon thing Joe.... I use common sense instead of some politically correct dogma. I probably gone overboard by calling them Han instead of Shan but regarding the language i stand correct.

@iajdani

At the moment, you stand a monument to Bengali provincialism and smug, self-centred ignorance.

Bengalis can also understand Maithil, Gorkhali (Nepali), and Oriya. A Maithili speaker can also understand both Bengali and eastern Hindi, or Avadhi. That does not make them dialects of Bengali, nor does it make Bengali a dialect of any one of them. These are cognate languages and share a great deal of their structure and syntax with each other.

I suggest you find a graceful exit.

Common sense is the most uncommon thing Joe.... I use common sense instead of some politically correct dogma. I probably gone overboard by calling them Han instead of Shan but regarding the language i stand correct.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Assamese is an Indo-Aryan language like Bengali, others are Tibeto-Burmese languages. Now, your crappy logic sounds very bizarre and they are much Chinese as much a Bangladeshi is a Malaysian.

Easy, easy.

He's actually a nice, funny guy. Cut him some slack. I know I've been a trifle sarcastic. Maybe I shouldn't have been.

It's just a discussion, people.

 

[Joe Shearer]

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[extra terrestrial]

No you with @iajdani stated that assamese is a dialect/derivative of bangla, which is not true , both developed independently, but from same origin

Yes and I'm still calling Assamese a dialect of Bengali and it's the truth. Assamese began to develop independently only during the 20th century.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yes and I'm still calling Assamese a dialect of Bengali and it's the truth. Assamese began to develop independently only during the 20th century.

Read up on the Kamrup Inscriptions before you make statements like that

 

[extra terrestrial]

The same Brahmi-derived script is used for several languages, and was a common alternative to the Nagari version that is now used for Hindi, as far back as the eleventh century at least, although this script or a predecessor has been used for the Kamarupa Inscriptions as far back as the 7th century. It was used for Bengali, Assamese and, in later years, for variations found in Manipur. The script was in no way connected organically with the language Bengali, until as late as the 18th century, and the centralisation which happened as a consequence of British research into the language. Iswarchandra Vidyasagar's name is associated with this adoption of the script for Bengali as a standard, but it is possible that the general direction was set by the Fort William College and the first researches into Bengali by scholars from that college, assisted by Sanskrit scholars.

OK and so??

The Sanskritisation of Bengali and the purging of Persian words that took place then is a separate matter; this misunderstanding of the British, guided by Sanskrit-oriented pundits, led to the reaction known as Muhammedan Bengali, or Mussulman Bengali, which existed earlier but not in particularly widespread a form.

And how is it relevant to the topic?

That is for the script. For the language, what we need to know is that all these eastern languages were derivatives of 'eastern' Prakrit, or Magadhi Prakrit, which was the Prakrit that was taught to newcomers to the language. In contrast, Gujarati, Rajasthani, Marathi, Punjabi and other western languages of the Indo-Aryan family were derived from 'western' Prakrit, or Suraseni. Assamese drew apart and achieved linguistic autonomy as far back as the 7th century.

Care to explain the bold part? Even the Assamese members here didn't go on to claim such thing.

Thirdly, the impression conveyed that until recent years, Bengali itself was one large, happy family is an egregious myth. Magadhi Prakrit itself split into perhaps four parts, of which one was the predecessor of modern-day Assamese, right at the outset, perhaps as much as a millennium ago, but probably around the time of the Bhakti movement in BengalThree of these splits coalesced into modern-day Bengali. The fourth was used as a foundation for modern-day Assamese.

So what's the name of the fourth part of Magadhi that is the predecessor of Assamese? If I'm not wrong Magadhi Prakrit evolved into five groups, Bihari languages, Tharu Languages, Oriya Languages, Halbic Languages and the Bengali-Assamese languages. Bengali-Assamese languages don't have any language groups and modern Bengali, Assamese and other North East languages are direct descendants of it.

Read up on the Kamrup Inscriptions before you make statements like that

Kamarup inscriptions? You mean the Chojapod? That's also a classic example of ancient Bengali.

 

[Saiful Islam]

I'm not too knowledgeable on languages, but as a Sylheti speaker, I understood completely what the Assamese member said. Only difference is, he added the letter x at the front of some of the words.