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Isn’t Gripen plane as plagiarized or original as the Tejas plane?

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Isn’t Gripen plane as plagiarized or original as the Tejas plane? Please elaborate in simple language.

Is it not true that Gripen plane is a cacophony of multi national systems. For example: engine from US, avionics from elsewhere etc...........

Clarifying the question:

Isn't the proportion of indigenous content in Gripen quite similar to that of Tejas?
 
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I think all of the aircrafts like F-22, Su35, EFT, Rafale, Grippen, JF-17s, J-20, J-31 are copies of the your Tejas...Just convince your own govt and airforce to rely on their original vedic Teja and discard and scrap all other A/C and the deals.
 
Plagiarized from what? it's an independent design from SAAB. Before settling on an in-home design, Sweden studied several foreign aircraft including the F/A-18 and F-15, but didn't feel any of them fully encompassed what they desired in an aircraft. Instead, several domestic designs were given an increased look, including the SAAB 38 and A 20.

It's not like Sweden didn't have experience designing aircraft:

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Both the J35 and J37 are a testament to this. The Gripen incorporated foreign technologies, such as the engine, but the design is Swedish and uses elements that fulfill Swedish requirements, not elements taken from other aircraft solely because of developmental time-frame requirements.
 
Plagiarized from what? it's an independent design from SAAB. Before settling on an in-home design, Sweden studied several foreign aircraft including the F/A-18 and F-15, but didn't feel any of them fully encompassed what they desired in an aircraft. Instead, several domestic designs were given an increased look, including the SAAB 38 and A 20.

It's not like Sweden didn't have experience designing aircraft:

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Both the J35 and J37 are a testament to this. The Gripen incorporated foreign technologies, such as the engine, but the design is Swedish.
Is it not true that it's a cacophony of multi national systems. For example: engine from US, avionics from else where etc...........
 
Plagiarized from what? it's an independent design from SAAB. Before settling on an in-home design, Sweden studied several foreign aircraft including the F/A-18 and F-15, but didn't feel any of them fully encompassed what they desired in an aircraft. Instead, several domestic designs were given an increased look, including the SAAB 38 and A 20.

It's not like Sweden didn't have experience designing aircraft:

Saab_J_35A-01.jpg


tkbasL7C1662.t4fdc4b24.m1600.x33a09d39.jpg


Both the J35 and J37 are a testament to this. The Gripen incorporated foreign technologies, such as the engine, but the design is Swedish and uses elements that fulfill Swedish requirements, not elements taken from other aircraft solely because of developmental time-frame requirements.

Sir, Indians don't claim Tejas was influenced by Gripen or vice versa.

Tejas is a delta wing plane as opposed to Gripen however Mirage has its influence on Tejas
 
Is it not true that it's a cacophony of multi national systems. For example: engine from US, avionics from else where etc...........

That doesn't mean it's plagiarized. Any academic paper is going to have supporting data and points from outside sources such as academic journals, websites, books and so on. That actually helps solidify its authenticity. But the design of the paper is the writers, as is the context and points made within. Supporting data is brought from external sources.

Plagiarized means the design or elements of it have been taken from other platforms, and only marginally altered (if at all). It doesn't mean the platform incorporates or does not incorporate foreign technology.

In the case of the JAS39, it incorporates foreign technology, but it doesn't copy them or alter their designs. Rather, it uses them on a design developed by Sweden as a successor the Viggen, from which the JAS39 gets some of its requirements and design elements, like the canards which provide greater lift for take-offs from short or highway runways, as Sweden uses and which provides excellent maneuverability.

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The Gripen didn't take canards from the Typhoon just because the Typhoon had them. That would be plagiarized. Developing an in-house platform with elements that meet your requirements, developing from existing platforms within your military and acquiring foreign technology which you don't alter, that is not plagiarism. That's the normal development of every aircraft in the world. All of them.

Looking at the Viggen above, you can clearly see design elements from it have been used in the Gripen too. Both come from the same company, SAAB.

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Sir, Indians don't claim Tejas was influenced by Gripen or vice versa.

1. I'm a lady.

2. I didn't mention Tejas. I was answering on why the Gripen isn't a "plagiarized" platform, as was asked about it in the OP.
 
Forget JAS39 for a while and Talk about Saab 37. :coffee:

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Are you implying Tejas is a Knockoff of JAS39?o_O
The rectangular blocks you show meaning they are same? Dude JAS39 has Canard design and Tejas has double delta wing design. They do not even look similar. You can't make aircraft that looks like a car. It should look like a plane. And designer should follow a design from general wing designs like Delta wing, Double delta wing, Canard, Compound delta.
 
Forget JAS39 for a while and Talk about Saab 37. :coffee:

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I didn't understand what are you inviting me for. As I clearly stated that Tejas doesn't borrow anything from Jas.

Are you implying Tejas is a Knockoff of JAS39?o_O
The rectangular blocks you show meaning they are same? Dude JAS39 has Canard design and Tejas has double delta wing design. They do not even look similar. You can't make aircraft that looks like a car. It should look like a plane. And designer should follow a design from general wing designs like Delta wing, Double delta wing, Canard, Compound delta.

He is just a show off. He is certainly not sure what he is getting into.

That doesn't mean it's plagiarized. Any academic paper is going to have supporting data and points from outside sources such as academic journals, websites, books and so on. That actually helps solidify its authenticity. But the design of the paper is the writers, as is the context and points made within. Supporting data is brought from external sources.

Plagiarized means the design or elements of it have been taken from other platforms, and only marginally altered (if at all). It doesn't mean the platform incorporates or does not incorporate foreign technology.

In the case of the JAS39, it incorporates foreign technology, but it doesn't copy them or alter their designs. Rather, it uses them on a design developed by Sweden as a successor the Viggen, from which the JAS39 gets some of its requirements and design elements, like the canards which provide greater lift for take-offs from short or highway runways, as Sweden uses and which provides excellent maneuverability.

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The Gripen didn't take canards from the Typhoon just because the Typhoon had them. That would be plagiarized. Developing an in-house platform with elements that meet your requirements, developing from existing platforms within your military and acquiring foreign technology which you don't alter, that is not plagiarism. That's the normal development of every aircraft in the world. All of them.

Looking at the Viggen above, you can clearly see design elements from it have been used in the Gripen too. Both come from the same company, SAAB.

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1. I'm a lady.

2. I didn't mention Tejas. I was answering on why the Gripen isn't a "plagiarized" platform, as was asked about it in the OP.

Ma'am, considering the canard and its help on short take off and landing, why not just add one more engine for aircraft carrier roles, not that it can't be in its current form but if you need a bomb truck then twin engines make the cut.
 
Sir, Indians don't claim Tejas was influenced by Gripen or vice versa.

Tejas is a delta wing plane as opposed to Gripen however Mirage has its influence on Tejas

Tejas is a "double delta" plagiarized from the original J-35 Draken.
As You can see from the picture, they got it wrong, LOL...

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Tejas is a "double delta" plagiarized from the original J-35 Draken.
As You can see from the picture, they got it wrong, LOL...

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I hope you put a picture of Tejas too. And it doesn't look like J 35 Draken. Anyway the point is you can't expect a Double delta wing design to be Elliptical. Or did you?:lol:
 
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Plagiarized from what? it's an independent design from SAAB. Before settling on an in-home design, Sweden studied several foreign aircraft including the F/A-18 and F-15, but didn't feel any of them fully encompassed what they desired in an aircraft. Instead, several domestic designs were given an increased look, including the SAAB 38 and A 20.

It's not like Sweden didn't have experience designing aircraft:

Saab_J_35A-01.jpg


tkbasL7C1662.t4fdc4b24.m1600.x33a09d39.jpg


Both the J35 and J37 are a testament to this. The Gripen incorporated foreign technologies, such as the engine, but the design is Swedish and uses elements that fulfill Swedish requirements, not elements taken from other aircraft solely because of developmental time-frame requirements.
Well I think what he meant to say is that even gripen has components from several different countries/vendors rather than every thing being developed & built in house.
 
Why not just add one more engine for aircraft carrier roles

Probably because carrier take off isn't something which is a Swedish requirement, as they don't operate any. For SAAB, what's the upside? Is the Swedish Air Force looking for a twin engine Gripen? Are there international contract prospects? India maybe. But apart from that which carrier operating nation would be open to operating the Gripen?

The US, UK, France, Brazil, Russia and China all operate their own types (or in Brazil's case French designs) and STOVL/VTOL carriers, Gator Navy types, can't launch the Gripen and recover it, so that rules out the likes of Japan or Turkey.

For SAAB the cost of development might not be justifiable if there are no prospects for sales.

but if you need a bomb truck then twin engines make the cut.

No single engine aircraft makes that good of a carrier based platform period, let alone a high endurance strike aircraft. The F-35 is an interesting case with its internal stores, which when operating in a clean configuration has superior kinematic performance to the F-16 in all catagories, and is more like a slightly more maneuverable F/A-18 when in a dirty config. The F-35 is of course a single engine aircraft.

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So it's not that clear cut. The F-35 can suffice as a bomb truck, but its performance is maximized when carrying internal stores as it's operating clean.

For the Gripen, it serve the role Sweden needs. Air defense and anti-shipping. Swedish requirements don't mandate a bomb truck given the nation is surrounded by friendly nations on all sides, save for the Baltic Sea and the presence of Russian ships and their bastion of Kaliningrad.

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It can of course carry bombs, but operating as a bomb truck or a carrier launched strike aircraft isn't something Sweden needs, and since the Gripen was developed to fulfill Swedish requirements, it's likely that's the reason no further developments have emerged.

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If a customer emerges that requires different specs then the what Sweden necessitates, then we'd see the Gripen develop beyond its E/F models.

Well I think what he meant to say is that even gripen has components from several different countries/vendors rather than every thing being developed & built in house.

90% of aircraft flying today match that description.

Honestly, the only people who care whether or not the Tejas is indigenous or not are people on the Internet. Outside of forums like this, who gives a f*ck?
 
I hope you put a picture of Tejas too. And it doesn't look like J 35 Draken. Anyway the point is you can't expect a Double delta wing design to be Elliptical. Or did you?:lol:

As I said, they got it wrong, LOL...
 

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