Islands in focus: All Bangladeshi citizens to be deported

[UKBengali]

Dude forget Jeehad or Mujaedeen, you cant sell that to any Bangladeshi politician. If we want to take the land then we need to take India in our side and invade. Proabably not too many PDF wala will agree to this but thats the only way for permanent solution. India will be more than happy to watch our back.
In return we can share Sitwee and sea access with Indians.

I do not think we need India to watch our back but China is critical.

BD is probably looking at not being ready to take Rakhine till 2025-2030 at the earliest. By then China will be the uncontested power in the whole of Asia.

If China oks it then India wont dare do anything as it would be too much loss and little gain for them.

Main thing is that BD needs to modernise with sufficient quantities of modern weapons as soon as possible. BD military is way better trained and led than Myanmar ever could be.

 

[The Huskar]

Views of BD politicians is indeed a consideration for Rohingya FFs. But irrespective the Rohingyas have been carrying on their armed struggle. They have no other option. The great weakness of the Rohingyas is that they have always neglected to work inside BD political establishment. They have always believed only in use of the sword.

You seem pretty eager to turn Bangladesh into Middle East.Once mujahids starts operating in Burma and Burmese Army starts retaliating,all hell will break loose in South and South East Asia.How long do you think before some ISIS wannabe starts his own kingdom encompassing Bangladesh,India and Burma.

 

[TopCat]

I do not think we need India to watch our back but China is critical.

BD is probably looking at not being ready to take Rakhine till 2025-2030 at the earliest. By then China will be the uncontested power in the whole of Asia.

If China oks it then India wont dare do anything as it would be too much loss and little gain for them.

Main thing is that BD needs to modernise with sufficient quantities of modern weapons as soon as possible. BD military is way better trained and led than Myanmar ever could be.

China is not strategically located when fighting with Myanmar. We need India to conclude the war and raise our flag quick. Unless the war will drag on.

 

[UKBengali]

China is not strategically located when fighting with Myanmar. We need India to conclude the war and raise our flag quick. Unless the war will drag on.

If BD soon starts spending more of it's GDP on defence, then it will be able to take on Myanmar military

Remember BD has 3 times greater GDP than Myanmar and is a more educated society and so Myanmar wil stand little chance. If Myanmar does not accept the loss of Rakhine, BD will just bomb the rest of Myanmar to rubble.

 

[TopCat]

If BD soon starts spending more of it's GDP on defence, then it will be able to take on Myanmar military

Remember BD has 3 times greater GDP than Myanmar and is a more educated society and so Myanmar wil stand little chance. If Myanmar does not accept the loss of Rakhine, BD will just bomb the rest of Myanmar to rubble.

I understand what you are saying. BD still have edge over Myanmar but to bring a result out of a war and to achieve the objective you need overwhelming superiority against your foe. This is actually the problem, and BD wont be able to do that unless a big power extend the help unconditionally. India has total control over Bay of Bengal starting from Andaman. India can choke either Burma and BD as they like in case of war. Even India can make Burmese air force nonoperational only by denying Indian airspace or threatening them to approach their air space. Even stationing Indian navy near Arakan will change the game all together.

Besides we need to keep China in our side too and UN security council asking them a for a permanent peace keeping force in the Arakan.

 

[UKBengali]

I understand what you are saying. BD still have edge over Myanmar but to bring a result out of a war and to achieve the objective you need overwhelming superiority against your foe. This is actually the problem, and BD wont be able to do that unless a big power extend the help unconditionally. India has total control over Bay of Bengal starting from Andaman. India can choke either Burma and BD as they like in case of war. Even India can make Burmese air force nonoperational only by denying Indian airspace or threatening them to approach their air space. Even stationing Indian navy near Arakan will change the game all together.

Besides we need to keep China in our side too and UN security council asking them a for a permanent peace keeping force in the Arakan.

If BD was to spend 3 times as Myanmar on defence, like the difference in total GDP, then BD would have overwhelming superiority. You also need to take into account that the BD military is more professional than Myanmar and will likely remain that way for decades to come at least.

BD would only invade Myanmar with Chinese support - they will be the uncontested power in Asia within 10 years and remember that a major chunk of our exports, critical imports and military equipment will be supplied by them. UN and West wont be that important by 2030 and anyway West wont sanction BD for a limited operation in reclaiming Rakhine that should have always been part of BD.

Say BD attacks in 2030, then you also need to bring the PLAN into play. I would expect to see Chinese CBGs, way more powerful than India can afford or procure, roaming the Indian Ocean by then. India will be made to realise that they need to share Indian Ocean with both USN and PLAN then.

I do not think that India can easily choke a BD that has a decent military. BD should have sufficient numbers of modern subs by then to make India think twice. Remember India would not risk a clash with a militarily powerful BD for Myanmar as there is little gain for them, and anyway there is no way that BD would not allow India access to Sittwe port anyway.

After Rakhine is taken, both India and China will pressure Myanmar to allow free access via it's terriroty for the passage of goods - Myanmar will either allow this or end up with a stone-age economy once again.

 

[TopCat]

If BD was to spend 3 times as Myanmar on defence, like the difference in total GDP, then BD would have overwhelming superiority. You also need to take into account that the BD military is more professional than Myanmar and will likely remain that way for decades to come at least.

BD would only invade Myanmar with Chinese support - they will be the uncontested power in Asia within 10 years and remember that a major chunk of our exports, critical imports and military equipment will be supplied by them. UN and West wont be that important by 2030 and anyway West wont sanction BD for a limited operation in reclaiming Rakhine that should have always been part of BD.

Say BD attacks in 2030, then you also need to bring the PLAN into play. I would expect to see Chinese CBGs, way more powerful than India can afford or procure, roaming the Indian Ocean by then. India will be made to realise that they need to share Indian Ocean with both USN and PLAN then.

I do not think that India can easily choke a BD that has a decent military. BD should have sufficient numbers of modern subs by then to make India think twice. Remember India would not risk a clash with a militarily powerful BD for Myanmar as there is little gain for them, and anyway there is no way that BD would not allow India access to Sittwe port anyway.

After Rakhine is taken, both India and China will pressure Myanmar to allow free access via it's terriroty for the passage of goods - Myanmar will either allow this or end up with a stone-age economy once again.

You wont get a war signal from China, as Myanmar is in Chinese sphere too.
I am being practical, it is almost impossible to beat them when their border is open in all side and we are surrounded by India. You cant win the war against Burmese without Indian unconditional support.

No matter what India wont allow any security threat to BD, despite BD being a foe or friend.

 

[asad71]

1.There is a Bengali saying: "Khal ketey kumir ana." We don't want to dig a channel to allow the Indian crocodile to enter - and devour us. In the event of a conflict between BD and Burma, Hindu India will support Buddhist Burma. Both see Muslim Bengal as an Islamic bridgehead which need to be squeezed out.

2. But I am not proposing a BD-Burma war. I am only asking BD to tolerate the Rohingyas who need a safe base. They will get enough support from the Ummah all over to clean out the Burmese invaders. But will Burma launch trans-border ops to control this? Even if they did it would be minor. If they launch an open war against us then they know the outcome will be quite bad for them.

 

[Aung Zaya]

. If Myanmar does not accept the loss of Rakhine, BD will just bomb the rest of Myanmar to rubble.

ohhhh...!! mightly bangladesh.. ....

 

[UKBengali]

2. But I am not proposing a BD-Burma war. I am only asking BD to tolerate the Rohingyas who need a safe base. They will get enough support from the Ummah all over to clean out the Burmese invaders. But will Burma launch trans-border ops to control this? Even if they did it would be minor. If they launch an open war against us then they know the outcome will be quite bad for them.

Actually Myanmar has complete air-superiority over BD currently as it has 32 Mig-29 to our 8. So BD cannot really do much now. BD needs to build up it's military massively before it can do what you propose - which I think is a good idea by the way

Once BD finally fully militarises to it's potential, then BD should provide Rohingyas with a base, weapons and training.
If Myanmar falls into the trap and over-reacts then BD should be ready to launch a full invasion of Rakhine involving 10s of thousands of troops, accompanied by full air and naval support. The routed Barmans will bitch but accept the loss of Rakhine as they are no match for BD.

There is only two outcomes to this situation - either BD annexes Rakhine or the racist Barmans drive/wipe out all the Rohingyas from Myanmar.

 

[Zabaniyah]

If Awami League wala's want to make more money, this is one way to develop Bangladesh and make more money. A BCM corridor between Kunming, Mandalay and Teknaf will be a huge boost to Bangladesh, Chinese, Myanmar and regional ASEAN economy. I think it will create more jobs than the CPEC corridor between Kashgar and Gwadar, as this region is much more densely populated with emerging and middle income countries around, such as China, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia and Bangladesh.

I don't think I made my point clear enough. I never even mentioned Awami League.

For those to happen, we need infrastructure and trade with Myanmar. In turn, for those to happen, we need tools like commercial letters of credit, guarantees, etc. Majority of our trade transactions are settled in USD. Under the Patriot Act, we cannot issue any of those in favor of beneficiaries in Myanmar. This is something that most commentators here are missing.

If a Bangladeshi bank (in Bangladesh, corporations and NFBI's don't issue LC's and guarantees), they will be slapped with a big fine. That is what happened to big banks like BNP Paribas, Commerzbank, HSBC and a bunch of other morons. No Bangladeshi bank can risk to take a multi-billion dollar liability. And it will flamed by Bangladesh Bank as well.

Best thing for Bangladesh is to simply focus on developing its economic and strategic priorities so that it can strengthen itself.

1.There is a Bengali saying: "Khal ketey kumir ana." We don't want to dig a channel to allow the Indian crocodile to enter - and devour us. In the event of a conflict between BD and Burma, Hindu India will support Buddhist Burma. Both see Muslim Bengal as an Islamic bridgehead which need to be squeezed out.

2. But I am not proposing a BD-Burma war. I am only asking BD to tolerate the Rohingyas who need a safe base. They will get enough support from the Ummah all over to clean out the Burmese invaders. But will Burma launch trans-border ops to control this? Even if they did it would be minor. If they launch an open war against us then they know the outcome will be quite bad for them.

If you are assuming that the middle easterners give a damn about them (or anyone else for that matter), you are mistaken.

Actually Myanmar has complete air-superiority over BD currently as it has 32 Mig-29 to our 8. So BD cannot really do much now. BD needs to build up it's military massively before it can do what you propose - which I think is a good idea by the way

Once BD finally fully militarises to it's potential, then BD should provide Rohingyas with a base, weapons and training.
If Myanmar falls into the trap and over-reacts then BD should be ready to launch a full invasion of Rakhine involving 10s of thousands of troops, accompanied by full air and naval support. The routed Barmans will bitch but accept the loss of Rakhine as they are no match for BD.

There is only two outcomes to this situation - either BD annexes Rakhine or the racist Barmans drive/wipe out all the Rohingyas from Myanmar.

The biggest crime of the Burmese is not the persecution of Rohingyas (and probably a bunch of other ethnic groups).

Their crime is being dumb stupid.

 

[The Huskar]

Actually Myanmar has complete air-superiority over BD currently as it has 32 Mig-29 to our 8. So BD cannot really do much now. BD needs to build up it's military massively before it can do what you propose - which I think is a good idea by the way

Once BD finally fully militarises to it's potential, then BD should provide Rohingyas with a base, weapons and training.
If Myanmar falls into the trap and over-reacts then BD should be ready to launch a full invasion of Rakhine involving 10s of thousands of troops, accompanied by full air and naval support. The routed Barmans will bitch but accept the loss of Rakhine as they are no match for BD.

There is only two outcomes to this situation - either BD annexes Rakhine or the racist Barmans drive/wipe out all the Rohingyas from Myanmar.

And once again you are completely ignoring the rules of engagement.When fighting in enemy territory,overwhelming force is not a requirement but a necessity.Also Myanmar being a densely forested nation would require extensive and overwhelming utilisation of guerilla warfare.While I am not underestimating Bangladesh Army but do you think it is capable of fully enforcing territorial and maritime blockade?
Also does it have the ability to defeat Myanmar in its own backyard.Because if Bangladesh somehow loses its superiority to Myanmar,then you should be sure that war will spread inside Bangladeshi borders.

 

[DarkElf]

Bangladesh already offered to bring back all Bangladeshis with its own expense.

Apparently not, it will be UNHCR and IOM who pay for the bill.
720 Pengungsi Bangladesh akan Dipulangkan

Pertama, 720 pengungsi Bangladesh akan segera dikembalikan ke negara asal mereka. Duta Besar Bangladesh telah berkunjung ke Aceh Utara dan berencana untuk memulangkan pengungsi secara bertahap. Biaya untuk pemulangan pengungsi datang dari UNHCR dan IOM.

-goggle translate
First , 720 refugees of Bangladesh will soon be returned to their country of origin . Ambassador of Bangladesh has been to North Aceh and plans to repatriate refugees gradually . The fee for the return of refugees come from UNHCR and IOM .

 

[bongbang]

In 1971 Indira Gandhi started campaign all over the world saying that 10 million refugees from East Pakistan flooding in India. And they cant take the burden anymore. So she said India has no other option than intervene in East Pakistan.

Similar situation has arisen now in Arakan. If Myanmar keep on pushing their people in BD then we dont have any other option than intervene in the situation directly. This message should go in Myanmar and to the world.

We have this high moral ground to support their legitimate war. So we should allow them bases in our territory and coordinate with them according to our 1971 freedom war model. And try to convince India China Russia and USA to be on our side.

 

[UKBengali]

And once again you are completely ignoring the rules of engagement.When fighting in enemy territory,overwhelming force is not a requirement but a necessity.Also Myanmar being a densely forested nation would require extensive and overwhelming utilisation of guerilla warfare.While I am not underestimating Bangladesh Army but do you think it is capable of fully enforcing territorial and maritime blockade?
Also does it have the ability to defeat Myanmar in its own backyard.Because if Bangladesh somehow loses its superiority to Myanmar,then you should be sure that war will spread inside Bangladeshi borders.

BD has 3 times the GDP of Myanmar and this is expected to continue for the foreseeable future.

Let us say BD is only 2 times the military power of Myanmar, then it is perfectly feasible to capture bordering Rakhine which is only around 5 percent of the total land area of Myanmar. I never said anything about driving to the capital of Myanmar and capturing that.