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Islamists Try to Defend Forced Hejab... School Girl Wipes the Floor With Them

I'm sorry @veg brother. I'm not buying your new concept and keep with good old natures concepts.

You saw that video with the teasing girl and the black Americans. This is the reality of nature, plus low culture. Don't compare this to feminized white europeans about whom nobody really knows how long they will stay fertile.
Don't list totally primitive cultures for naked breasts as role model or example for our context.


With exceptions for such basic things are dictated by nature: A teasing woman (w/o hejab, shirt, pants) will always attract a healthy man and activate his basic reproductive instincts.

So let me keep with natures laws and you can create new concepts, retaining your natural testosterone and see where they bring you. The old natural concept has passed all it's field tests.

For a reminder: I'm still not pro or contra hejab.

It's ok brother.

Nevertheless, if possible, then please watch the Film "Mission". You will notice that whole Tribe is naked for centuries and for them it is natural, while dress is not natural for them. They stayed fertile for centuries and their society worked and women are not teased. There still exist plenty of such tribes in the world.

Even the 1400 years of history of Islam is completely full of thousands of slave women, who were moving with naked breasts. After that the discussion of Hijab became totally meaningless to me at least and I simply left Islam.

What we have in Pakistan, I would not name it "basic reproductive instincts", but for me it is more of "Frustration".

Do you know what "Incest" is?

Do you know that "Google Trend" suggest that Pakistan was at top for many years in searching "Mother ****", "Sister ****", "Daughter ****". Other Islamic countries also followed.

@mohsen

92.8% women in Karachi were found Vitamin D deficient. Link to Medical Report.

A large proportion of adolescent girls, up to 70% in Iran [5] and 80% in Saudi Arabia [6] had 25(OH)D levels below 25nmol/L. A large proportion of adolescent girls, up to 70% in Iran [5] and 80% in Saudi Arabia [6] had 25(OH)D levels below 25nmol/L. Link.
 
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This really made my day! Grown a$$ islamist cretins try the same old braindead arguments to defend forced hejab. This beautiful young Iranian school girl makes them eat it, while remaining cool, calm and graceful. I'm really proud of her... More and more people think like her and reject Islamist Fascism and religious dictatorship.

In our country everyone is free to state his/her own beliefs.
Hijab yes or no doesn't matter, the only important thing is respect for the national law and hijab is a law whether someone like it or not. Law in every country is respected so this is over.

Get along with laws
 
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I stopped believing in Hijab, when I read and researched the reality that:

1) Hijab was introduced for making distinction between free and slave women.

2) Hijab was seen as an honour, which was ONLY reserved for the Free Muslim women. According to authentic traditions 2nd Caliph used to hit the slave women who used Hijab and forced them to remove the Hijab.

And to my surprise, this same act was done be 4th Caliph Ali Ibn Talib too (according to Shia traditions). I once went to shia discussion forum, where those Shia traditions were presented.

In fact I went to the Shia forum while I started doubting Sunni Islam after reading about the slavery and I wanted to seek escape in Shia Islam. But I was disappointed completely while all those things were also present in the Shia Islam too regarding the slavery.

3) And according to All Muslim Jurists (Shia/Sunni) the Awra ستر of slave woman is from naval till knee (just like man).

4) During whole 1400 years of history of Muslims, slave women were moving bare breast in the markets, and they were sold too in this way where people were not only watching them, but they were also allowed to check them by touching before they buy them.

5) And if a slave woman had a child, then after 6 months (after the baby got 2 teeth), that baby and mother could be separated and sell in the markets.
This is the hugest ZULM which I could ever imagine. Even bigger than the rape of a slave women by her different masters.

Really people, how could you still believe in Hijab after all this?
I fail to believe what you are saying, you are saying that the Calpih who was most against Slavery was the one who did these types of Zulm on slaves?
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and as far as I read, were'nt the children born from slave women free? and also the slave women who gave birth got the same rights as an actual wife after she became a mother.
 

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u la la, so much Islam haters! Still Islam goes strong! What kind of sorcery is this? :coffee:

Nobody's questioning your right to practice your religion. But your religion and your relationship with your maker is an extremely personal and private matter, between you and him. We're all equally his creation. Nobody can get in the middle of that relationship. Nobody can judge your relationship with him. Only he can. Nobody is in a position to claim that he 'knows' better than others, and worse yet, force others to follow his opinion. That is very clearly against the essence of god's creation and contradicts his will, as manifested through his work. When government gets involved in a religion there can be only one possible outcome. And that is the destruction of that religion, as is already apparent in Iran. If you're a genuine believer in Islam, I would think you'd concerned about that.
 
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In our country everyone is free to state his/her own beliefs.
Hijab yes or no doesn't matter, the only important thing is respect for the national law and hijab is a law whether someone like it or not. Law in every country is respected so this is over.

Get along with laws

Yes, Fascists, Naziz, Communists, ISIS, etc... all said the same thing. If god forbid, by some catastrophe MKO come to power tomorrow, they will say the same thing...

No, I'm sorry! In a system where the ruler is selected for life behind closed doors by a bunch of old farts, in a system where the ruler then controls the committee that chooses who can run for office, in a system where the elected president cannot even choose all of his cabinet members, in a system where individuals without any education in law can become judges and hand down death sentences to political opponents, in a system where the military wing of the ruling party controls the economy, in a system where the intelligence apparatus can engage in murder of its own citizens with impunity... a system based on coercion, terror and brutalization of its citizens does not have any legitimacy to its laws. Such a system is nothing but a mafia. Such a system is an amoral abomination.
 
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Yes, Fascists, Naziz, Communists, ISIS, etc... all said the same thing. If god forbid, by some catastrophe MKO come to power tomorrow, they will say the same thing...

No, I'm sorry! In a system where the ruler is selected for life behind closed doors by a bunch of old farts, in a system where the ruler then controls the committee that chooses who can run for office, in a system where the elected president cannot even choose all of his cabinet members, in a system where individuals without any education in law can become judges and hand down death sentences to political opponents, in a system where the military wing of the ruling party controls the economy, in a system where the intelligence apparatus can engage in murder of its own citizens with impunity... a system based on coercion, terror and brutalization of its citizens does not have any legitimacy to its laws. Such a system is nothing but a mafia. Such a system is an amoral abomination.
What are you complaining about?
Even before Islam we had Hijab between our folks. Islam just completed our religion by giving better concepts for humanity.
Before everything it is our culture, you cannot force your mother to drop her beliefs for a sick moronic mentality which was stated in your quote.
Our mothers are holy creatures and they will remain in that quality, others will be forced by law to keep the عفاف of our society.
Get along with law, and don't troll your own motherland.
We have elections held in our country even more than European countries which claim of human rights. Our leader is an advisor and has no influence in economic matters. Our major policy and military branches are being led by him and we are strong in both. We are a world scaled power despite the bad legacy from Pahlavi and Ghajari kingdoms. We are independent state, can elect the experts that control our leadership. We have president, parliament etc. Nuclear deal was the true example of democracy in our country, Ahmadinejad's government refuted even to talk to 5+1 but this government made deal with them. Where was the role of our leader? No where, he is just an advisor
Look at American system in which only two parties can can be nominated in presidential elections, in this election Hillary had more votes but the ridiculous law made Trump president. They don't permit people to even talk about Holocaust let alone investigating it. What kind of sh!!!t democracy is it?
In Norway you can see kingdom, in many EU states they still have kingdoms as advisors
Don't undermine your own motherland which is better than UK in democracy.
 
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Brother, I could only tell you that I promised to myself to stay 100% TRUTHFUL with myself while doing research.

There is absolutely no doubt that 2nd Caliph Umar Ibn Khattab used to beat slave women for wearing Hijab. There is not a SINGLE scholar who rejected it, but all of them are unanimous upon it.

There are many Authentic Traditions about it. Let me quote few of them:

Al-Albani (Saudi Grand Mufti):
Narrated Abd Al-A’laa from Mo’ammar from Al-Zuhri from Anas. (Al-Albani: I say: This chain is Authentic, if Al-Zuhri heard it from Anas) Narrated Alee Ibn Mos’har from Al-Mokhtar Ibn Folfol from Anas Ibn Malik who said: A slave girl of Muhajirin or Ansaar came to Umar wearing Jilbab (complete Hijab), he said: "Have you been freed?" She said: “No!” He said: “Put it off your head!” Jilbab is for the freed women. So she hesitated, so he got up to her with the whip (Darrah), and he hit her on the head,until she threw it.
Al-Albani: I say: This this is Saheeh 'Authentic' by the criteria of Muslim.

Ibn Hajar al-Asqallani (Grand Hadith Master):
Narration of Umar: "Take off your your veil, you stinky! Are you resembling yourself to free women?" I haven’t seen it in this form, but it is famously known that Umar has beaten a slave-girl who had veil and he said "Take off your veil, and do not resemble yourself to free women", it has been narrated by AbdulRazaq through an Authentic chain. And from Abdulrazaq from Ibn Jarij who said: "Umar beat Aqeela a slave-girl of Abi Musa because she wore Jilbaab (full veil)."

And Ibn Abi Shayba recorded another incident through an Authentic chain from Anas that: Umar saw a slave-girl wearing Jilbaab (Full veil), whereupon he said: "Have you been freed?" She said: “No! He said: “put it off your head.” Jilbaab is for the freed women. She hesitated, so he went up to her with the whip (Darrah), and he hit her on the head, until she threw it. And narrated it Muhammad ibn Al-Hassan in Al-Athaar from Abi Hanifa from Himad from Ibraheem that Umar used to beat the slave-girls who wore veil and used to say: "Do not resemble yourselves to free women!"


Shia Hadiths:
I also went to Shia forum and inquired them.
To my surprise, same thing is narrated by 4th Caliph Ali Ibn Abi Talib who forbade the slave girl to take Hijab and to resemble the free Muslim women. That was also an authentic Shia tradition according to their Hadith Standards.

From Sheikh as-Sadouq:

http://www.tebyan.net/index.aspx?PID=31143&BOOKID=25214&PageSize=1&LANGUAGE=2&PageIndex=6

( باب 54 - العلة التي من أجلها لا يجوز للامة ان تقنع رأسها في الصلاة )

1 - أبي رحمه الله قال : حدثنا احمد بن إدريس قال : حدثنا احمد بن محمد ابن عيسى عن علي بن الحكم عن حماد الخادم ، عن أبي عبد الله ( ع ) قال : سألته عن الامة تقنع رأسها في الصلاة قال : أضربوها حتى تعرف الحرة من المملوكة .

2 - أبى رحمه الله قال : حدثنا علي بن سليمان الرازي قال : حدثنا محمد ببن الحسين عن احمد بن محمد بن أبي نصر البزنطى عن حماد بن عثمان عن حماد الخادم قال : سألت أبا عبد الله ( ع ) عن المملوكة تقنع رأسها إذا صلت ؟ قال : لا قد كان أبى ( ع ) إذا رأى الخادمة تصلى مقنعة ضربها لتعرف الحرة من المملوكة .

3 - حدثنا محمد بن موسى بن المتوكل قال : حدثنا علي بن الحسين السعد آبادي ، عن احمد بن أبي عبد الله ، عن الحسن بن محبوب عن هشام بن سالم عن محمد بن مسلم قال : سمعت أبا جعفر ( ع ) يقول : ليس على الامة قناع في الصلاة و لا على المدبرة قناع في الصلاة ، و لا على المكاتبة إذا اشترط عليها قناع في الصلاة و هي مملوكة حتى تؤدي جميع مكاتبتها و يجرى عليها ما يجرى على المملوكة في الحدود كلها .

Can I get the full reference for those traditions? This is the first time I have ever come across these. No such thing happened during the time of Holy Prophet (saw) so I am not inclined to believe that Hazrat Umar (ra) would go against any commandments of the Holy Prophet (saw).
 
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What are you complaining about?
Even before Islam we had Hijab between our folks. Islam just completed our religion by giving better concepts for humanity.
Before everything it is our culture, you cannot force your mother to drop her beliefs for a sick moronic mentality which was stated in your quote.
Our mothers are holy creatures and they will remain in that quality, others will be forced by law to keep the عفاف of our society.
Get along with law, and don't troll your own motherland.
We have elections held in our country even more than European countries which claim of human rights. Our leader is an advisor and has no influence in economic matters. Our major policy and military branches are being led by him and we are strong in both. We are a world scaled power despite the bad legacy from Pahlavi and Ghajari kingdoms. We are independent state, can elect the experts that control our leadership. We have president, parliament etc. Nuclear deal was the true example of democracy in our country, Ahmadinejad's government refuted even to talk to 5+1 but this government made deal with them. Where was the role of our leader? No where, he is just an advisor
Look at American system in which only two parties can can be nominated in presidential elections, in this election Hillary had more votes but the ridiculous law made Trump president. They don't permit people to even talk about Holocaust let alone investigating it. What kind of sh!!!t democracy is it?
In Norway you can see kingdom, in many EU states they still have kingdoms as advisors
Don't undermine your own motherland which is better than UK in democracy.

A person who is the commander in chief of a country, appoints the head of Judiciary, who appoints Friday prayer leaders (who in a theocracy wield a lot of power), a person who controls the council that approves who can and cannot run for office, including for the positions that are meant to supervise him, a person who sets and controls the intelligence apparatus, a person who determines the country's foreign policy, a person who can decide the country's direction in educational policies, a person who appoints military commanders, a person who has had people extra judicially locked up for years without trial, a person who personally incites vigilantism and lawlessness through his speech... this person is not in an advisory role. Even Shah was in a more advisory role than him!

It's funny that you should mention European kings. Because your leader is a true sultan. He's the Taghoot himself, if there's such a thing.

But listen, I have zero interest in debating your strong opinions, your muddled ideas, conspiracy theories or whatecer dilusions you may or may not suffer from. They are for you to have and enjoy for as long as it tickles your fancy. However, you have no right to force those onto others. The country belongs to its rightful owners, the one and only sovereign, the peope of Iran. Not some charlatans who pose as the interpreters of the divine will and god's spokesmen.
 
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I fail to believe what you are saying, you are saying that the Calpih who was most against Slavery was the one who did these types of Zulm on slaves?
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and as far as I read, were'nt the children born from slave women free? and also the slave women who gave birth got the same rights as an actual wife after she became a mother.
That quote is made up and umar never said that because of his time not everyone was free a lot of people were slaves
 
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A person who is the commander in chief of a country, appoints the head of Judiciary, who appoints Friday prayer leaders (who in a theocracy wield a lot of power), a person who controls the council that approves who can and cannot run for office, including for the positions that are meant to supervise him, a person who sets and controls the intelligence apparatus, a person who determines the country's foreign policy, a person who can decide the country's direction in educational policies, a person who appoints military commanders, a person who has had people extra judicially locked up for years without trial, a person who personally incites vigilantism and lawlessness through his speech... this person is not in an advisory role. Even Shah was in a more advisory role than him!

It's funny that you should mention European kings. Because your leader is a true sultan. He's the Taghoot himself, if there's such a thing.

But listen, I have zero interest in debating your strong opinions, your muddled ideas, conspiracy theories or whatecer dilusions you may or may not suffer from. They are for you to have and enjoy for as long as it tickles your fancy. However, you have no right to force those onto others. The country belongs to its rightful owners, the one and only sovereign, the peope of Iran. Not some charlatans who pose as the interpreters of the divine will and god's spokesmen.
My words are conspiracy theories and yours are real truth.
You are blind
Good bye
 
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Is pathological lying a condition common to all Islamists? Where does it say it's a female only discussion? It's out in the open, in a public place! It was supposed to be an 'open' forum to exalt the virtues of islamist hijab, gone wrong! And how did she refuse to answer the question by saying it was offensive? She only said comparing men with flies is insulting. But she went ahead and explained her point, after being interrupted by the moderator lady.


Please resist the urge to lie! There's value to the truth, even if it goes against your pre-programmed ideology!

certainly people like you have to live in their lies.

Yes, it's in a public place, but the text on the desk says an intimate conversation, either you can't understand Persian (which is not surprising from Zionists) or you are enough biased person to not know that Islamist don't have such a thing as an intimate conversation among men and women.
also maybe you are blind too and can't see that almost everyone in the background is female.
and that's why that man said, maybe it's better that I don't talk and referred her to the rest of women.
the fact that the baboon uploader censored the whole conversion to just that girl's words is the best proof that how dead-brain people like you feel insecure about hearing the other's voice.


@mohsen

Education theory is not ridiculous, but it is a reality.

and we saw the extend of your reality (delusion) in the video which I posted.


There is no Free Animal, but WILD animals. They are wild while they have no education. Why then you asking them to not eat meat at all?


Then there are animal who could be domesticated and who live with humans. They have more ability to learn.


Then come human beings. We are at out best in learning and changing our behaviour according to the education. This is what differentiate us from the other living beings.

sexual desire is the most powerful instinct in us, to the extend it's comparable with our mandatory needs like the need for eating. you can not suppress it.


from one side you prescribe for men to hold themselves while in the other side you say women should be free! this is the part which you refused to answer in your reply too, and I ask it again:

why just men should hold themselves while the women are called to be free and provoking?!

if women have the right to provoke and insult the men, then it's men's right to provoke and insult the women too, it's the justice which every human being understands.


in the following clip you can see how people react to a man who is harassing a girl, one without hijab, the other with hijab. the huge difference is due to the unconscious justice which I mentioned:





Please note in Western countries the definition of rape is different than Islamic countries.


In West, if wife and girl friend don't wish sex, then even touching them will come under the charge of rape.


While in Muslim countries, 99% cases of rape are not reported. While Islam demands 4 eye witnesses for rape, and women are not able to provide the 4 eye witnesses. And when Muslim girls report it, then life of that girl and her whole family becomes miserable and the poor girl is being blamed even if she had been raped.


Therefore, please make these corrections in these statistics.

It's just an excuse, and that 99% is baseless as usual.

the difference in statistics is because in Islamic culture, a girl doesn't show provoking behavior and never puts herself in a situation that may leads to rape or harassment, while in the west culture, the opposite manner and open relations is advertised.


what you mentioned about 4 witnesses isn't about rape at all, it's about consent sex between man and woman and when a third person wants to report them and disgrace them, in this case he has to bring 4 (credible) witnesses and they all should have explicitly seen the full penetration.

if a woman can prove her case in west, she can do the same in Iran, there is no difference.


Then you presented a Video

I request you to please watch this video carefully. You will see that this girl (without Hijab) is going ONLY through the backward ghetto areas of Manhatten. You will see only the black community or some foreigners in the video who are molesting her.


It is unfortunate, but there is commonly a lack of education among the black population of US who live in the ghettos. There is lot of drugs there and they are far from being educated.


As compared to these ghettos, if you go to the well educated community areas of US, where mostly white Americans are living, then you will not see that the girls are molested, even if they walk at 12 at night.

This part of your comment is racist. no it wasn't just black men and it wasn't just backward ghetto, there plenty of similar videos in the youtube. it has nothing to do with education at all.
if the number of harassment in the uptown section is lower, it's because they have the money to buy what they desire, the modern enslavement of the women.
in fact if you go to uptown sections in Iran, not only women have no higher safety, but maybe even lower.

The Iranian version of the same video:
http://www.aparat.com/v/zWumG


The negative population growth in the West is not due to atheism/nudity, but it is due to the reason that People are insured by the Government that it will take care of them when they will be old. The people are rich and they don't need the assistance of their children to live as old people.


While in poor countries, even if they are also atheists, you will see the Family system intact and desire to have many children so that these children could look after the parents when they are old.


Look at the Romans of the Past. They were at top in nudity, Sodomy with boys, sex with whores, .... but still this never effected their family life and desire to have a lot of children. It was due to the reason that it was the need of their circumstances in order to survive.



Also look at the divorce rate in Kuwait, UAE and Saudia.

In Kuwait, the divorce rate has gone to alarming 60%.

It is due to the reason that women are rich in Kuwait and they don't need the support of men in case of divorce.

While in Pakistan divorce rate is low while Pakistani women are compelled to stay with husbands in order to survive while they have no means to earn money.

In Islamic Iran too, if women get financial independence, then the divorce rate will go high.


@mohsen

Then you wrote: <<you talked about norm, so I ask you why you don't make the full nudity a norm too?! who would oppose that in the west? the answer is the science. nobody can deny the psychological effect. >>


Welcome to the Scandinavian countries where nudity is fully legal.

And welcome to the nude beaches of Europe, where people are not raping the women, but they have learnt to control through education.


And contrary to your claim, science is very much on the side of nudity.


According to science, more we expose our skin to the sun and fresh air, better it is for our skin and for our mood.


On the other hand, Muslim women in Burqah/Hijab have up to 90% Vitamin deficiency. Especially the Muslim women with Hijab are suffering very badly in the Western countries while there is not enough sun, and one needs to expose a lot of skin in direct sun light in order to get enough Vitamin D.
I didn't say negative population growth is due to atheism/nudity, I said due to the collapse of family unite, and with no doubt, the limitless relations between men and women is against it.
that's what I meant the science not some low level discussions like vitamin deficiency, in fact your claim about vitamin deficiency among Muslim women couldn't be more baseless and ridiculous,
between me as man and a woman there is no difference in sun light absorbent.
we both expose the same amount of the skin to the sun.
Sunlight and cancer:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9498892
 
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RIP Young Lady ...

soon, you will read she is assasinated by Basijies !!! or VAJA Terror Agrnts !!!

Anyway, god (if realy exists) bless her !!!

Will you please give some detail about your pessimism for the life of the teenager?

Even this teenager's intelligence can destroy the mullahs' ''theology'' in some part, then It does not deserve to be called ''Islamic'' revolution but a power-jacking.
 
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Brother, I could only tell you that I promised to myself to stay 100% TRUTHFUL with myself while doing research.

There is absolutely no doubt that 2nd Caliph Umar Ibn Khattab used to beat slave women for wearing Hijab. There is not a SINGLE scholar who rejected it, but all of them are unanimous upon it.

There are many Authentic Traditions about it. Let me quote few of them:

Al-Albani (Saudi Grand Mufti):
Narrated Abd Al-A’laa from Mo’ammar from Al-Zuhri from Anas. (Al-Albani: I say: This chain is Authentic, if Al-Zuhri heard it from Anas) Narrated Alee Ibn Mos’har from Al-Mokhtar Ibn Folfol from Anas Ibn Malik who said: A slave girl of Muhajirin or Ansaar came to Umar wearing Jilbab (complete Hijab), he said: "Have you been freed?" She said: “No!” He said: “Put it off your head!” Jilbab is for the freed women. So she hesitated, so he got up to her with the whip (Darrah), and he hit her on the head,until she threw it.
Al-Albani: I say: This this is Saheeh 'Authentic' by the criteria of Muslim.

Ibn Hajar al-Asqallani (Grand Hadith Master):
Narration of Umar: "Take off your your veil, you stinky! Are you resembling yourself to free women?" I haven’t seen it in this form, but it is famously known that Umar has beaten a slave-girl who had veil and he said "Take off your veil, and do not resemble yourself to free women", it has been narrated by AbdulRazaq through an Authentic chain. And from Abdulrazaq from Ibn Jarij who said: "Umar beat Aqeela a slave-girl of Abi Musa because she wore Jilbaab (full veil)."

And Ibn Abi Shayba recorded another incident through an Authentic chain from Anas that: Umar saw a slave-girl wearing Jilbaab (Full veil), whereupon he said: "Have you been freed?" She said: “No! He said: “put it off your head.” Jilbaab is for the freed women. She hesitated, so he went up to her with the whip (Darrah), and he hit her on the head, until she threw it. And narrated it Muhammad ibn Al-Hassan in Al-Athaar from Abi Hanifa from Himad from Ibraheem that Umar used to beat the slave-girls who wore veil and used to say: "Do not resemble yourselves to free women!"


Shia Hadiths:
I also went to Shia forum and inquired them.
To my surprise, same thing is narrated by 4th Caliph Ali Ibn Abi Talib who forbade the slave girl to take Hijab and to resemble the free Muslim women. That was also an authentic Shia tradition according to their Hadith Standards.

From Sheikh as-Sadouq:

http://www.tebyan.net/index.aspx?PID=31143&BOOKID=25214&PageSize=1&LANGUAGE=2&PageIndex=6

( باب 54 - العلة التي من أجلها لا يجوز للامة ان تقنع رأسها في الصلاة )

1 - أبي رحمه الله قال : حدثنا احمد بن إدريس قال : حدثنا احمد بن محمد ابن عيسى عن علي بن الحكم عن حماد الخادم ، عن أبي عبد الله ( ع ) قال : سألته عن الامة تقنع رأسها في الصلاة قال : أضربوها حتى تعرف الحرة من المملوكة .

2 - أبى رحمه الله قال : حدثنا علي بن سليمان الرازي قال : حدثنا محمد ببن الحسين عن احمد بن محمد بن أبي نصر البزنطى عن حماد بن عثمان عن حماد الخادم قال : سألت أبا عبد الله ( ع ) عن المملوكة تقنع رأسها إذا صلت ؟ قال : لا قد كان أبى ( ع ) إذا رأى الخادمة تصلى مقنعة ضربها لتعرف الحرة من المملوكة .

3 - حدثنا محمد بن موسى بن المتوكل قال : حدثنا علي بن الحسين السعد آبادي ، عن احمد بن أبي عبد الله ، عن الحسن بن محبوب عن هشام بن سالم عن محمد بن مسلم قال : سمعت أبا جعفر ( ع ) يقول : ليس على الامة قناع في الصلاة و لا على المدبرة قناع في الصلاة ، و لا على المكاتبة إذا اشترط عليها قناع في الصلاة و هي مملوكة حتى تؤدي جميع مكاتبتها و يجرى عليها ما يجرى على المملوكة في الحدود كلها .
is this from his Caiphate era?

That quote is made up and umar never said that because of his time not everyone was free a lot of people were slaves
and you can say that, how exactly?
 
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is this from his Caiphate era?


and you can say that, how exactly?
Because back then there were people born into slave families

Umar lead the Islamic colonization which tge Muslims call them fotohat and he enslaved millions of people
 
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