Islamic State: What do young British Muslims think about the Caliphate? BBC News

[livingdead]

Sorry this is gonna go off topic, but i need to clear some misconceptions here.

Tower Hamlets has always been the most deprived and dangerous part of London, it was home to the worst classes of Brits - the poorest and the racist. The great location did not help the Irish or the Jews to make it any more livable. The great location does not help neighbouring Hackney either. It was Bd's who laid their ground, built thousands of businesses (as is our way) and rejuvenated brick lane with their curry houses, cinema (now closed) and supermarkets, which in turn rejuvenated the contemporary/ crafts and art scene here. Now that we have established a stable, safe and attractive atmosphere - suddenly the credit goes to the Docklands?

The areas near docklands - canning town, poplar are actually some of the worst and there are much fewer Bds there. Walk around in the non-BD parts of TH such as Bow, Poplar, Roman rd and you will have an idea of what this area is like without us.

No other community has managed to shape their area like Sylhetis in London. Green st, Southall, Wembley.. Asians have been there for decades and the areas still look and feel horrible. Gentrification is happening everywhere but compare TH with Hackney, Southwark or London bridge and they have nowhere near the impact TH has had.

The area did not just improve around us. The council in TH had been dominated by Bds for over 20 years now, give them some credit for drawing down funds and organising the regeneration.

No offence but you've only observed the surface. Yes there are many kids on the streets and many are up to no good. But you have to remember that this is the inner city - there is nowhere for these kids to go. The rich white kids who have moved in, cycle around the same corners. Look again and you will see that however civilised and educated a boy is, in the inner city he will always look like a street kid. I can assure you some of the people you refer to are more well off, better educated and cultured than you can imagine. Most BDs choose to live in TH and they pay highly for the privilege - a house in Wembley can be bought for the same price as a 1 bed flat in TH.

Our businesses are clean and organised. Our streets are safe compared to any other in inner London, our mosques are some of the best in Europe (I'm only mentioning these as successful projects). And this even though we are the most recent of all south Asian immigrants into London.

Finally, you mentioned crime - yes it exists, but you threw in Sylheti prositution in the UK?! I'm sorry but that's ridiculous, virtually unheard of. You have been keeping some pretty prejudiced company if you've been told that. Google any Asian nationality and prostitute and see how many results you get, then compare that with Sylheti or Bangladeshi - you will find none. We are a close knit community and that s### don't pass.

Yes there are gangs because we have aimless youth, there is crime for the same reasons - and it is for these same reasons we have become prey to extremism. Take my advice and talk to a real, average Sylheti and you will get a good idea of what we are like.

hmm.. its true that I feel safer in tower hamlet than in canning town.. lolz.. I am sorry if I sounded anti sylhoti.. apologies..

 

[EasyNow]

hmm.. its true that I feel safer in tower hamlet than in canning town.. lolz.. I am sorry if I sounded anti sylhoti.. apologies..

It's not you i suppose, we are quite self-contained and a lot of people seem to misunderstand us. Our representatives are also from the worst classes, the dignified Sylhetis aren't the ones who catch people's attention.. sigh..

 

[mike2000]

This is really worrying. As i said before. Our government has been really soft and negligent about these islamic extremists in U.K who have been spreading now for quite a while now. They are even trying to impose their Sharia law on some streets/areas in London, where they attack girls with short skirts/'indecent dresses etc. More and more islamic schools who are not authorised by the state keeps propping up and they are radicalising young Naive british muslims.
I do hope our governemt start trying to curtail these extremist in their activities like the U.S government does. British muslims are now the most numerous,radical fighting in Syria and Iraq with ISIS, they are in the 100s if not 1000s now. You will hardly see an american fighting in syria/iraq with these islamists scums, because the U.S government makes it very diffiuclt/if not impossible for them to operate in the U.S or travel to Syria unlike our stupid clueless government.

 

[livingdead]

This is really worrying. As i said before. Our government has been really soft and negligent about these islamic extremists in U.K who have been spreading now for quite a while now. They are even trying to impose their Sharia law on some streets/areas in London, where they attack girls with short skirts/'indecent dresses etc. More and more islamic schools who are not authorised by the state keeps propping up and they are radicalising young Naive british muslims.
I do hope our governemt start trying to curtail these extremist in their activities like the U.S government does. British muslims are now the most numerous,radical fighting in Syria and Iraq with ISIS, they are in the 100s if not 1000s now. You will hardly see an american fighting in syria/iraq with these islamists scums, because the U.S government makes it very diffiuclt/if not impossible for them to operate in the U.S or travel to Syria unlike our stupid clueless government.

were not this conservative govt tying to provide lethal arms to the same groups only few months ago.. also they did not seem to think britons going there to fight is necessarily bad..
if I remember correctly, even newspapers did not see it as a negative thing, people going to fight in syria..
And then ISIS happened..
uk govt should not have helped ISIS like groups in syria in first place, it is a civil war, everybody is villian.

 

[mike2000]

were not this conservative govt tying to provide lethal arms to the same groups only few months ago.. also they did not seem to think britons going there to fight is necessarily bad..
if I remember correctly, even newspapers did not see it as a negative thing, people going to fight in syria..
And then ISIS happened..
uk govt should not have helped ISIS like groups in syria in first place, it is a civil war, everybody is villian.

Well said Bro. sometimes i really do wonder what kind of government we have in this country. They sometimes do things that are very short sighted/not in our interests. They should never have allowed this in the first place, and yes newspapers didnt see it as a bad thing as you said. There is something really wrong about our politicians/media/elites. Unlike in the U.S were you will never find such silly notion. The U.S really deals well with these scums. Hope we take a good cure from them. If you give a hand to these fanatics, they will demand your arm. Just see how the extremist uigurs in China(despite being less than 1% of the population) are commiting knife massacres against their own uygur brothers which they dont descrimate while commiting their crimes/jihad, same with those in Chechenya in the past(where they maasacred even childrens), in sotuhern philippines, Iraq, northern Nigeria(boko haram), Libya, etc.
We have to take a pro active approach towards this menace like the U.S. im afraid our government has been too soft on this scums compared to even other European countries. Britian has become the favorite location for these jihadists to emgrate to in europe, since its here that they are most welcomed/allowed to operate as they wish. just look at Abu hamza's case
in fact i have always be against arming or using our sub contractors in the middle east saudi arabia, turkey and GCC countries to arm these terrrists,islamists 'rebels/FSA' in Syria. i knew it will only lead to such situation. i do think our governments knew as well(seems they wanted to destabilised/decimate Syria and counter Iran and Russia). i think its a short sighted policy. It will not suite our interests in the long run. hopefully we stop all support to these scums 'rebels' and help the syrian government to get rid of these scums just like we are doing now with the Iraqi government.

 

[KingMamba]

Mina Topia was the non Hijabi girl, in pink bro. She said no such thing. Yasmin Khatun was saying all that.

Nah the other girl was acting like she was about to book tickets, I am talking about the one in pink though.

 

[TSA321]

The ex-Hindu ISIS fanboy on the far left has fled to Syria after being released on bail..

One of hate preacher Anjem Choudary’s top henchmen was able to skip bail and flee to Syria because of police blunders.

Siddhartha Dhar, 31, disappeared less than 24 hours after being freed on police bail by Scotland Yard detectives investigating Choudary’s inner circle.

They asked him to surrender his passport under strict conditions designed to prevent him promoting al-Muhajiroun, the banned extremist group founded by the fanatic preacher.

But instead, the Islamic convert, known as Abu Rumaysah, took a coach from London to Paris and headed to the Islamic State war zone with his young family.

Last night outraged critics said it beggared belief that a high-profile terrorist suspect could slip through the grasp of police.

Dhar, a darling of TV interviewers repeatedly given a platform on the BBC to promote his radical views, had publicly stated that he wanted to live under the Islamic State.

Just weeks before his arrest, he told one interviewer that he was willing to renounce his British citizenship if it meant he was allowed to travel.

He was a key member of al-Muhajiroun and offshoot groups such as the Shariah Project, masterminding ‘roadshows’ in London that aimed to recruit troubled youngsters to Islam.

It was at one of these that he is believed to have met, and possibly mentored, Michael Adebolajo, one of the murderers of Fusilier Lee Rigby.

Dhar and nine other men, including Choudary, were held in raids in London and the Midlands in September on suspicion of supporting al-Muhajiroun.

They were also questioned on suspicion of encouraging terrorism before being released on bail and ordered to return to police stations in December. Police wanted to impose strict bail conditions to prevent them associating with each other, promoting extremism or going overseas.

But it can now be revealed that Dhar fled to Syria with his wife and four young children the day after he was released. The details emerged at a bail hearing at Westminster Magistrates’ Court in which Choudary and other suspects demanded the return of their identity documents.

Asked why Dhar was not in court, prosecutor Luke Ponte said he boarded a coach for Paris on September 27.

He said: ‘He failed to comply with the conditions to surrender his travel documents to police. It’s my understanding that he is no longer in the jurisdiction and that he is currently in Syria.’

The court refused to hand back the identity documents.

Former shadow home secretary David Davis said it ‘beggars belief’ that Dhar could escape so easily. ‘To allow him to surrender his own passport, rather than take it off him, seems at best careless and at worse a terrible error of judgment,’ he added.

It's on the DailyMail, can't post links.

 

[EasyNow]

The ex-Hindu ISIS fanboy on the far left has fled to Syria after being released on bail..


It's on the DailyMail, can't post links.

Seriously?! Man i don't know why MI5 are struggling to stop these people, i could've guessed this would happen the moment he opened his mouth!

Add to that the dark circles around his eyes, pallid visage, pure lanat on his face - classic signs of a depressed git looking to get killed.

 

[Steve781]

Many Muslims in Britain are more radical than in many Middle Eastern countries. There was a study done which found that about 45 percent of mosques were Deobandi influenced and another five percent had links to Saudi Arabian Wahhabhism.
Even so I still think the number of terrorists and their sympathisers is being exaggerated. Statistically I'm more likely to be struck by lightning. I also think there's quite a lot of difference between Muslims in Britain of various ethnicities such as the difference between say Turks and Somalis in the form of Islam they practice.

 

[EasyNow]

Many Muslims in Britain are more radical than in many Middle Eastern countries. There was a study done which found that about 45 percent of mosques were Deobandi influenced and another five percent had links to Saudi Arabian Wahhabhism.
Even so I still think the number of terrorists and their sympathisers is being exaggerated. Statistically I'm more likely to be struck by lightning. I also think there's quite a lot of difference between Muslims in Britain of various ethnicities such as the difference between say Turks and Somalis in the form of Islam they practice.

What's up man - guilty conscience not letting you sleep?

You are right about the exaggerated threat, the numbers really do speak for themselves. There are a lot of big mouths around but this ISIS is a blessing in disguise, as these local idiots either need to shut up now or go and walk the walk.

 

[Steve781]

What's up man - guilty conscience not letting you sleep?

You are right about the exaggerated threat, the numbers really do speak for themselves. There are a lot of big mouths around but this ISIS is a blessing in disguise, as these local idiots either need to shut up now or go and walk the walk.

I work night shifts. What about you?

 

[EasyNow]

Must be pretty cushy if you're on PDF all the time!

Me, i'm just a night owl.

 

[Icewolf]

Britian needs to quit the liberal a religious freedom stance. Kíck these Wahhabis and those who live on British welfare but act out against the state. Britian is treading on a dangerous path allowing this kind of Islamic extremism

 

[Jaanbaz]

The ex-Hindu ISIS fanboy on the far left has fled to Syria after being released on bail..

Good riddance. Just make sure he never returns to UK. He made his choice to abandon the country which fed him and gave him free education. Now its time people like him all be striped of their citizenship and never be allowed to return to the UK.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Britian needs to quit the liberal a religious freedom stance. Kíck these Wahhabis and those who live on British welfare but act out against the state. Britian is treading on a dangerous path allowing this kind of Islamic extremism

Everyone is suffering and will suffer. The ghettos where these lunatics live are no go areas for native British people. This creates tension against the wider Muslim communities which results in innocent non Muslims and Muslims being targeted by extremists on both sides.