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Islamic State release video showing beheading of 21 Egyptian Christians

@Serpentine

The identity of that lone wolf maniac that did those two shootings that killed 2 people in total is not known yet. Shouting Allahu Akbar (which every terrorist across the planet does) does not necessarily mean that you are an Arab. Besides Arabic is in the top 5 of most spoken languages in the world and millions of non-Arabs speak Arabic. Even if he was a second generation Dane of Arab (for instance Palestinian descent or Iraqi - most Arabs in Denmark are that) then so what? There are 450 million Arabs out there. Of course you will have terrorists among them, maniacs, idiots etc. like among any other people.



Bro, you need to distinguish between radical Jihadists (supposed "Muslim") and the regular Muslim. It's very easy to paint everyone with the same brush especially if you already disagree with their religion.

Here in Denmark, after the attack yesterday, most politicians regardless of ideology, actually managed to make this distinction and not try to score any political brownie points by saying that all Muslims must be deported etc. Meanwhile some Danish civilians (emotional) started writing such bullshitt. Or saying that every single Muslim is a ticking time bomb forgetting that there are 300.000 Muslims in Denmark (vast majority of them valuable members of the Danish society) and such attacks never occurring before.

If you fall into that same trap then you are no different from those radical "Muslims" who when Westerners or Christians do something bad (for instance war crimes in Iraq, Afghanistan etc.) take their hatred out on the average innocent Joe who cannot even locate Afghanistan on a world map.

It's what I call an extremist viewpoint. Knowing both those world's I have not fallen into that trap.

Yes, they might be doing that (not sure if they do that everywhere - doubt it) but still the main victims are local Sunni Muslims. Not that there is a difference.

As you say for them everyone that does not support them is on the wrong path and an eligible target. You think that they would not have killed me long ago (I am a regular Sunni Muslim of the Shafi'i fiqh to be precise) if I even remotely had criticized them? Of course they would. They kill Daesh members who try to defect or who are not obeying orders 100% or who are asking questions. So of course they would do that.

My point is just that there are 10 million Christians in Egypt. Sure, they have their problems but most Egyptians consider them as fellow citizens and as Egyptian as the Muslims. 99% of them are secure too in their daily life's. I am sure that the Egyptian brothers here will confirm this;

@Mahmoud_EGY @Frogman @Amir_Pharaoh

They are not the main victims at all. This is a unprecedented attack and is aimed to create unrest between Muslim and Christian Egyptians. 90% of the violence in Egypt (less than 1000 people died last year) occur in Sinai and here 95% of the population like almost everywhere else in Egypt is Sunni Muslim.

It does not stop Ansar Bait al-Maqdis (Daesh affiliate today) from killing anyone that opposes them, Egyptian police and military etc.

Whatever the number then it's totally unacceptable. I do disagree with it not getting publicity though. I recall the news being everywhere on major news stations (international, ME, Arab) and several threads being made about it here on PDF alone.

The thing is that slavery, as bad as it is, is not as bad as being burned alive or getting killed.

Anyway what about those 1700, mainly Iraqi Shia Arab soldiers from Southern Iraq, who were killed by Daesh during the summer? This barely got any publicity.
Bro I think you misunderstood me. I didn't post this with an anti-Islamic motive. I simply saw this on trending topics, checked whether a thread on PDF was created and posted as I didn't see any existing thread.

The claim that only a minority being violent is unfortunately not going to find a solution for the problem. Minority or not such incidents should be avoided at all cost. There are over 1 billion Chinese people too including a considerable number of people who oppose the west but the number of Chinese involving in such incidents is almost zero. Again, don't misunderstand me. I am not accusing religion/ethnicity, I am merely saying that the claim that impact made by a minority involving in destructive incidents justifies situation has its own flaws. I will expand on that later.

Except for few incidents, I am clueless regarding the situation of Copts in Egypt so I will leave it up to the Egyptian members to answer.

Also let's not forget that sexual slavery under these savages is a slow painful death but let's not compare suffering of two individuals unless we ourselves have been in those situations.

Sorry for not writing a comprehensive post. I am stuck with a tight deadline these days so the time I can spend on PDF is very limited.
 
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let the whole world know, that those Christians were not killed by Muslims, but they were killed by zionist west themselves... Libya was safe country, Libya offered many people in Africa job opportunities and good living, now it is chaos and war thanks to nato...

so this crime was done by the west and their puppets who bombed an Arab nation, and still call for other Arab countries to be invaded...
 
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People need to wake up and realize this crime is done for one reason... it was done so nato can invade Libya under the pretext of fighting terrorism... Libya is about to be invaded, the nato revolution in Libya caused this mess so Libya can be invaded, Libya's oil will be stolen again the by west... shame on those who call themselves "Arabs" yet they support the west and their puppets I$I$ and other terrorists like F$A..

stop blaming my people for all that is bad in your area.
 
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Libya was safe country, Libya offered many people in Africa job opportunities and good living, now it is chaos and war thanks to nato...
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Like Sudan and Chad, right? I hear Gaddafi loved both countries, even sent them an army of guitar strumming Sufi saints to spread the values of love and tolerance.
 
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stop blaming my people for all that is bad in your area.
I'm blaming your government, and your people for staying silent, why would you allow your government to support terrorism?

look at Libya now, and Libya before the war, do you think those Christians would have been executed in 2009?
This is all nato's fault, and every person that stayed silent...
and now the same thing is going on in Syria, your government are training, and supporting the same terrorists
 
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Like Sudan and Chad, right? I hear Gaddafi loved both countries, even sent them an army of guitar strumming Sufi saints to spread the values of love and tolerance.
oh so now Libya is democratic and free?
if you call terrorism democracy, then to hell with democracy... Libya gave all of Africa's nation free aid... before the war of course..
 
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Bro I think you misunderstood me. I didn't post this with an anti-Islamic motive. I simply saw this on trending topics, checked whether a thread on PDF was created and posted as I didn't see any existing thread.

The claim that only a minority being violent is unfortunately not going to find a solution for the problem. Minority or not such incidents should be avoided at all cost. There are over 1 billion Chinese people too including a considerable number of people who oppose the west but the number of Chinese involving in such incidents is almost zero. Again, don't misunderstand me. I am not accusing religion/ethnicity, I am merely saying that the claim that impact made by a minority involving in destructive incidents justifies situation has its own flaws. I will expand on that later.

Except for few incidents, I am clueless regarding the situation of Copts in Egypt so I will leave it up to the Egyptian members to answer.

Also let's not forget that sexual slavery under these savages is a slow painful death but let's not compare suffering of two individuals unless we ourselves have been in those situations.

Sorry for not writing a comprehensive post. I am stuck with a tight deadline these days so the time I can spend on PDF is very limited.

I am not saying that you did. What I am saying though is that I see such behavior often. It's a damaging way of reasoning and is counterproductive. What we (people that live in Europe but also the world as a whole) must aim for is peaceful coexistence.
You don't have to agree with Islam likewise Muslims don't have to agree with Jehovah Witnesses, Buddhists, Catholics, Hindus or whatever but they must respect each other's beliefs in the sense that they have to live in peace despite their differences. Just like people should respect each other regardless of being socialists or liberals. White, Black, Brown, Red or whatever. Sri Lankan or Estonian. Can you feel me?

You think that killings and evil would just stop if we presume those few hundred or thousands radicals were not there? Then other ideologies would kill just like they already do. 150.000 people have lost their life's in the war on drugs in Mexico. That's as many as in Iraq for the past 4-5 years which is otherwise a country in the middle of a war.

Evil will always exists. Ideology does not matter here.

There is no justification. So let's not go there. A lot can be done to combat those few bad apples.

Deportations if they are migrants, tougher prison sentences, more resources used on surveillance, more grass root work in ghettos, a political initiative to combat the real reasons that make many people join Daesh etc.

Well, there are 10 million Copts in Egypt or so. That alone should tell you that they are well and safe. Overall they face few problems let alone fearing for their life's. Incidents like this one are unprecedented. The Egyptian users here will conform this if you ask them. Or Egyptians in general.

I was just saying that death is worse than slavery which we must assume does not lead to death. In any case it's bad just like being barrel bombed is or tortured to death. Daesh are not the only insane party in the conflict in Iraq or Syria. Far from it.

Well, I have battled a flu for the past 2-3 days so I got plenty time on my hands. There is the NBA all-star game later tonight that I try to keep myself awaken for and PDF/Facebook serves like a good tool for that, lol.
 
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oh so now Libya is democratic and free?

I didn't say that.
It's amusing hearing all these references to terrorism and inhuman crimes, when back in the day, Gaddafi was a major proponent of terror.

Libya gave all of Africa's nation free aid... before the war of course..

So he tried to snatch their sovereignty by giving them free stuff, but when it failed, he turned to war and funding separatist groups.
 
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Back to trolling again? Europe of all places on this planet was defined by wars, massacres, genocides etc. This is just a historical reality.

60 million Europeans were killed by other Europeans just during WW1 and WW2.

Since 1918 (WW1's ending) less than 2 million people have died in the ME due to conflicts in comparison.

@DESERT FIGHTER

It does not matter whether it's from Pakistan or elsewhere. It could be from anywhere. The most important thing was the points I was trying to make.

Muslims who know their religion and are God-fearing people will not act like Daesh.

they dnt know shit... they are just a bunch of fkin zombies..
 
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I didn't say that.
It's amusing hearing all these references to terrorism and inhuman crimes, when back in the day, Gaddafi was a major proponent of terror.

So he tried to snatch their sovereignty by giving them free stuff, but when it failed, he turned to war and funding separatist groups.
Gaddafi didn't snatch their sovereignty, he just offered help, he was a very strong Pan-African leader... and also Pan Arab leader... now he is gone, you have I$I$, if you're happy with this chaos and terrorism then good for you, but most of the world are against I$I$ and their supporters...
the main point is, all this chaos and bloodshed, is because the west supported those terrorists...
 
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Gaddafi didn't snatch their sovereignty, he just offered help, he was a very strong Pan-African leader... and also Pan Arab leader... now he is gone, you have I$I$, if you're happy with this chaos and terrorism then good for you, but most of the world are against I$I$ and their supporters...
the main point is, all this chaos and bloodshed, is because the west supported those terrorists...

I'm not happy, but don't think I'll accept your rose-tinted views on Gaddafi. He was a major supporter of terror and a rapist. And don't think I forget how he expelled thousands of Pakistanis from the country
 
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I'm not happy, but don't think I'll accept your rose-tinted views on Gaddafi. He was a major supporter of terror and a rapist. And don't think I forget how he expelled thousands of Pakistanis from the country
alright and now you have I$I$ instead... the nato replaced him with their I$I$ terrorists... Gaddafi compared to I$I$ is an angel...
 
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alright and now you have I$I$ instead... the nato replaced him with their I$I$ terrorists... Gaddafi compared to I$I$ is an angel...

Guess who said this.
We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.
 
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Guess who said this.
he can say whatever... right now we have to ask ourselves this simple question, would those 21 hostages get killed in 2009 or anytime before nato's revolution in Libya, and the answer is simple.. NO...
 
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