Azizam
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Bro I think you misunderstood me. I didn't post this with an anti-Islamic motive. I simply saw this on trending topics, checked whether a thread on PDF was created and posted as I didn't see any existing thread.@Serpentine
The identity of that lone wolf maniac that did those two shootings that killed 2 people in total is not known yet. Shouting Allahu Akbar (which every terrorist across the planet does) does not necessarily mean that you are an Arab. Besides Arabic is in the top 5 of most spoken languages in the world and millions of non-Arabs speak Arabic. Even if he was a second generation Dane of Arab (for instance Palestinian descent or Iraqi - most Arabs in Denmark are that) then so what? There are 450 million Arabs out there. Of course you will have terrorists among them, maniacs, idiots etc. like among any other people.
Bro, you need to distinguish between radical Jihadists (supposed "Muslim") and the regular Muslim. It's very easy to paint everyone with the same brush especially if you already disagree with their religion.
Here in Denmark, after the attack yesterday, most politicians regardless of ideology, actually managed to make this distinction and not try to score any political brownie points by saying that all Muslims must be deported etc. Meanwhile some Danish civilians (emotional) started writing such bullshitt. Or saying that every single Muslim is a ticking time bomb forgetting that there are 300.000 Muslims in Denmark (vast majority of them valuable members of the Danish society) and such attacks never occurring before.
If you fall into that same trap then you are no different from those radical "Muslims" who when Westerners or Christians do something bad (for instance war crimes in Iraq, Afghanistan etc.) take their hatred out on the average innocent Joe who cannot even locate Afghanistan on a world map.
It's what I call an extremist viewpoint. Knowing both those world's I have not fallen into that trap.
Yes, they might be doing that (not sure if they do that everywhere - doubt it) but still the main victims are local Sunni Muslims. Not that there is a difference.
As you say for them everyone that does not support them is on the wrong path and an eligible target. You think that they would not have killed me long ago (I am a regular Sunni Muslim of the Shafi'i fiqh to be precise) if I even remotely had criticized them? Of course they would. They kill Daesh members who try to defect or who are not obeying orders 100% or who are asking questions. So of course they would do that.
My point is just that there are 10 million Christians in Egypt. Sure, they have their problems but most Egyptians consider them as fellow citizens and as Egyptian as the Muslims. 99% of them are secure too in their daily life's. I am sure that the Egyptian brothers here will confirm this;
@Mahmoud_EGY @Frogman @Amir_Pharaoh
They are not the main victims at all. This is a unprecedented attack and is aimed to create unrest between Muslim and Christian Egyptians. 90% of the violence in Egypt (less than 1000 people died last year) occur in Sinai and here 95% of the population like almost everywhere else in Egypt is Sunni Muslim.
It does not stop Ansar Bait al-Maqdis (Daesh affiliate today) from killing anyone that opposes them, Egyptian police and military etc.
Whatever the number then it's totally unacceptable. I do disagree with it not getting publicity though. I recall the news being everywhere on major news stations (international, ME, Arab) and several threads being made about it here on PDF alone.
The thing is that slavery, as bad as it is, is not as bad as being burned alive or getting killed.
Anyway what about those 1700, mainly Iraqi Shia Arab soldiers from Southern Iraq, who were killed by Daesh during the summer? This barely got any publicity.
The claim that only a minority being violent is unfortunately not going to find a solution for the problem. Minority or not such incidents should be avoided at all cost. There are over 1 billion Chinese people too including a considerable number of people who oppose the west but the number of Chinese involving in such incidents is almost zero. Again, don't misunderstand me. I am not accusing religion/ethnicity, I am merely saying that the claim that impact made by a minority involving in destructive incidents justifies situation has its own flaws. I will expand on that later.
Except for few incidents, I am clueless regarding the situation of Copts in Egypt so I will leave it up to the Egyptian members to answer.
Also let's not forget that sexual slavery under these savages is a slow painful death but let's not compare suffering of two individuals unless we ourselves have been in those situations.
Sorry for not writing a comprehensive post. I am stuck with a tight deadline these days so the time I can spend on PDF is very limited.