ISIS attacks Turkish Army on Syrian Border [T-155 destroyed]

[f1000n]

its time for isis haters to stick together with isis and be happy in ordor to hate the isis supporter turkey..


Here the undeniable truth

Biggest maron of the world..

You the ignorant guy in Netherlands the one from Iraq who got there and stays there as a useless keyboard worrier (not warrior ) leaving his country alone to live in a country that is also responsible for the wars that happened in your country.. We can call you traitor or the worst of your country..

You may never thought about the ones who came from Netherlands to Iraq you may never blamed them on it.. Why? You like them that's the reason

You never blame maroc Arabs who are mostly behind Europe attacks and rapings but your ignorant mind blames a country wich is also not capable of smuggling etc on its borders.. Maybe you don't know that our terrain is not flat like your beloved Netherland or the Iraqi desert

Regards to your running away mentality in Iraq wich gave the Daesh all good weapons maybe you should not have run away and be a man and fight you won't win against Daesh with you keyboard skills?

Look at this retarded comment, jumping from one topic to the other with weak accusations and attempting to insult. Not going to take any effort.

It's about the ATGW attack remember.

 

[u.MP]

Don't make me laugh. You were the one that got emotional and started getting personal by posting a picture of a downed aircraft in which 2 people died. If the SU-24 was an "emoral airspace violation" then what do you call Turkish aircraft that violated Greek airspace over 2000 times in a year? Or Turkish aircraft that violated Syrian and Iraqi airspace?

I never supported terrorism, I used your same tactic, you post pictures of a down Russian aircraft I can post pictures of downed Turkish aircraft and destroyed vehicles. If you act like an adult and debate me fairly then I will do the same, act like an emotional kid then get treated like one.

Loooooool.. 2000 violations.. reported by the Greek army..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegean_dispute

 

[mustafa erkan]

As we see we lost Fırtına Howithzer but is there a howithzer can stand against an atgm without active protection system with only its armour protection.Answer is NO.They are not mbt also most of the main battle tanks cant stand against atgms Problem is not about the fırtına.The main issue is how they can become easy target.
We must organize our forces how to counter this sort of attacks.

 

[ptldM3]

Most do cross from Turkey, disguised as tourists, its hard to check every 40 million or so tourist.
Also a lot from Russia joined isis why didnt Russia stop them if its that easy?

Well you are the first Turk to acknowledge that many Isis cross from Turkey and you did so without insulting or changing the subject, perhaps your Turkish friends can learn from you.

Of course it's not possible to stop all terrorists but the point is that some Isis fighters admit to cooperation with Turkish authorities. Why does this surprise so many people? Erdogan is an Islamist, and plenty of people in Turkey morally support ISIS, now take into account bribes.


And yes plenty of Russians have joined Isis but most didnt show any indication of joining Isis, they just travel abroad like millions of other Russians, but many have been arrested or killed trying to join Isis; isis members that returned from Syria or Iraq are always arrested.

Turkey knows many militants cross its border some of these guys will join groups that Turkey supports such as the FSA and some will join Isis and other terrorist groups, as far as Turkey is concerned, the more militants that fight the Syrian army the better, at the end I doubt Turkey cares if Isis fighters want to go to Syria or if they do care then their support for resuplying the FSA outweighs the consequences of ISIS fighters sneaking in with FSA fighters. In other words they will take the chances.

 

[xenon54 out]

Of course it's not possible to stop all terrorists but the point is that some Isis fighters admit to cooperation with Turkish authorities. Why does this surprise so many people? Erdogan is an Islamist, and plenty of people in Turkey morally support ISIS, now take into account bribes.

Erdogan supports fractions that are fighting isis it doesnt make sense for him to support his prefered fractions enemy.
And no people in Turkey dont support isis, many think we should let ypg and isis fight, the statistics also say enough, despite being a 75 million big muslim country bodering isis regions the number of people who joined isis are much less than many Arab countries in North Africa or European countries that have only a fraction of muslim population compared to Turkey.

Also keep in mind that the number of people from Turkey who joined the war in Syria are divided among people who joined isis (islamists), ypg (Kurds) and Turkmen brigades (Nationalists).

 

[Bismarck]

If Turkey really support ISIS or has, why should ISIS attack Turkey permanently? Wether Istanbul, Reyhanli (?), Kilis or other cities are attributes of pleasures . Not to mention turkish outposts attacks.

Btw, who show them how to handle a Kornet-E?

 

[Jamaal Yelmaaz]

Assadists baby killers, Mollaists agigators and ruthless drunk Ruskies must pray for ISIS everyday so that ISIS rescued Assad regime from hands of oppositions...Otherwise oppositions definetly would overthrow till end of 2013...

ISIS has damaged opposition groups at least as much as regime and Hezbollah...

So if any one still claims that Turkey supports or supported ISIS then they must accept Turkey support and protect Assad regime as well....
Otherwise they are 100% pure morons or liars...

Then, who support and supply ISIS continual in secret with so much heavy weapons.....???
why ISIS dont run out of weapons despite fighting in many fronts since 3 years?...

That much weapons have not been droped from sky by angels...Some Satanic countries must have used those ISIS Satans as Trojan....

100% of weapons used by ISIS are Russian and US made and all allagedly captured from Syrian and Iraqi armies...
There are so many clear evidences that the war between Syrian army Iraqi army and ISIS is just a collusion war...

Last year a group of Iraqi parliaments did a deep investigation about falling of Sunni cities to hand of ISIS without any resistance despite Army has about 10 fold more power.....
They asked top army chiefs and governors to answers questions...All of them replied that we have been ordered by Prime minister Nouri Al Maliki to withdraw from cities without fighting...

I allways say the ISIS branch of Iraq and Syria is a creation of Iran intelligent service and it extent to period of Al Qaida fighting againist US when Iran and Syria support them....
They Later changed Iraqi Al Qaida as ISIS and started to use it as Trojan Horse againist opponent Sunni group in Syria and Iraq...

 

[madmusti]

If Turkey really support ISIS or has, why should ISIS attack Turkey permanently? Wether Istanbul, Reyhanli (?), Kilis or other cities are attributes of pleasures . Not to mention turkish outposts attacks.

Btw, who show them how to handle a Kornet-E?

At the beginning there was Syrian Crisis between Rebels and Assad, USA & NATO decided to support the FSA, so USA, England and Turkey supported them at the beginning and even Europe was happy about this Idea, it would be like in Libya, but Assad was stronger and no one has expected an ISIS from Iraq.

Now is anyone claiming that Turkey has supported ISIS because they had supported earlier FSA Rebels by Order of USA and decides of NATO & Europe, the question here is why Turkey is only guiltier by the decides of others ?

Another thing is that until today no one has an proof that Turkey has supported ISIS, between today neither the Russians or the West has got an real proof about this Issue.

 

[Timur]

Most ISIS and all other scum such as "rebels" cross from the Turkish border.

why dont you tell me why you could not stop those chechens going to isis? or the EU fighters of IS ? why dont they stop them?

 

[ptldM3]

why dont you tell me why you could not stop those chechens going to isis? or the EU fighters of IS ? why dont they stop them?

Read post #66 I talk about that.

 

[madmusti]

Read post #66 I talk about that.

It was not Turkey, who decide about this, Turkey has not the option to decide.

 

[Serpentine]

Thank syrian and iraqi soldiers for that. Idiots run and leave everything behind. Fucking morons.

Blame Erdogan for his dream of the Islamic Caliphate and praying in Damascus Grand Mosque. When you arm and fund thousands of unknown nutjobs to do the dirty job in a neighboring country, you better expect consequences. Pakistan can teach you a lesson or two in this regard.

Thank God there is no casualties in this attack. Equipment can always be replaced.

 

[usernameless]

Of course they have but this time different, it looks like they have good coordinations also have intelligents, i think they wanna take us into Syria, that is mean some countries has some plans on Turkey, just we have to be carrefull while taking a step on Syria.


Deash is not a normal organization a lot of countries have controls on deash, so those countries use it for their national interests to realize their plans. also those countries very unconforable about Turkey which has got plans on Syria. If we reliaze our own plan on syria we can change all balances at the region, that is the matter.

Anyone notice how the US and some European countries called back their citizens from Turkey some weeks ago for no clear reason? US recently called their citizens back again. There is definitely something going on.

It must be a big conspiracy that every time a foreign ISIS fighter is captured that said fighter always has a similar story no matter who captured said fighter. Most ISIS and all other scum such as "rebels" cross from the Turkish border.

Even the US told Turkey to control their border. Everyone knows by now where foreign fighters come from but just for your sake if they don't come from Turkey then how do they get to Syria? Teleportation? Magic?

As for your training question, it makes more sense to train in Turkey and be ready to fight then cross over from Turkey without any skills. Or in other words many ISIS fighters will be killed by the time they reach their training camps in Syria.





http://www.businessinsider.com/links-between-turkey-and-isis-are-now-undeniable-2015-7


A US-led raid on the compound housing the Islamic State's "chief financial officer" produced evidence that Turkish officials directly dealt with ranking ISIS members



In November, a former ISIS member told Newsweek that the group was essentially given free rein by Turkey's army.

"ISIS commanders told us to fear nothing at all because there was full cooperation with the Turks," the fighter said. "ISIS saw the Turkish army as its ally especially when it came to attacking the Kurds in Syria."

Pkk is crossing Turkish-Iraqi borders for decades. Surely by your logic the Turkish govt turns a blind eye to them as well. The point is, isis and pkk scum do not cross the border from the legal ways. Do you think Russia's borders are watertight? What about US' problem with illegal Mexicans that manage to cross their border no matter the security? no matter how advanced a country is, vermin will find a way to cross the borders.

Secondly, isis released videos of their guys training. So, all those videos take place in Turkey? Dont make me laugh.

There is still no hard proof. I can also write in similar style and tone about how Russia is working with isis. If you write a thesis and try to present a point, you're going to need objective and reliable data. Such articles can write all they want, as long as they claim something, the burden of proof lies on them. Until then, Turkey cannot be found guilty. You know very well, that if Turkey was swapped with Russia, you would be just as defensive as well.

Finally, isis is nothing but a project to change the borders of middle eastern countries. For convenience reasons the players that orchestrate isis blame regional countries to create a smokescreen. Western mainstream media is not even blaming the US for creating the mess in Iraq under a false pretext. I also find it interesting how the international coalition, with the US in the lead, and Russia and co cannot end isis all this time despite all the firepower. It feels like there is no sincerity from the US and Russia to finish isis, which is reinforced by facts like US, European countries and Russia arming/supporting PYD while Russia entered 'Syria to fight isis' while in in reality from the beginning almost all of its actions were directed at the FSA, who at least have some legitimacy in Syria. The victims are middle eastern countries, the winners are US, Russia and some EU countries.

why dont you tell me why you could not stop those chechens going to isis? or the EU fighters of IS ? why dont they stop them?

Because Russia turns blind eye and prefers to export its problem. What the Russians and others are accusing of Turkey, their own country does.

Blame Erdogan for his dream of the Islamic Caliphate and praying in Damascus Grand Mosque. When you arm and fund thousands of unknown nutjobs to do the dirty job in a neighboring country, you better expect consequences. Pakistan can teach you a lesson or two in this regard.

Thank God there is no casualties in this attack. Equipment can always be replaced.

The Syria policy of Erdogan can be and should be criticized, but can you say the same about your own country? Because for me there is not much difference between hezbollah (/shiite militants) and isis. Crying foul when others do the same your country has been doing for years/decades is hypocrite.

Don't hide behind excuses. If you were man enough, you wouldn't let them capture your lands so easily. FFS they captured mosul in a single day. basically with this war both iraqi and syrian arabs proved they're cowards.

What can you expect from them? Last year i went to my memleket (Nevsehir) and even there i saw many of their (young) males laughing and having a fun time as if they are on a holiday. I know people need to laugh now and then, but the level of their carelessness hit me like a truck. Man, i just can't imagine smiling or laughing if my country was on fire on such a scale.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

For convenience reasons the players that orchestrate isis blame regional countries to create a smokescreen. Western mainstream media is not even blaming the US for creating the mess in Iraq under a false pretext

You hit the nail on its head here. The Iraq invasion of 2003 was the inception for what we see today, without pretext, justification and any form of legal case. All that's happening now doesn't effect EU/West sufficiently to call for wiping these extreme groups. Why would it effect the West, Turkey with three million Syrian war refugees is paying their ffuckup. Bonus, they get to watch a geography in flames, ultimately crippling any geographical ambitions, including that of Turkey. Win/win in their scheme of viewing the world= zero sum game, international realism. Our win is their loss, available materials are scarce, positive sum outcome is out of question.

As Bush said, "you are either with us or against us". You either serve the cause of your white Anglo-Saxon masters or you are a slave who deserve nothing - you can't pursue any nationalistic ambitions that is at "odds" with their interest, it doesn't even have to be at odds, as long as they percieve it to be, that suffices. Their attitude clearly demonstrate this, even here on PDF. You just have to look

What can you expect from them? Last year i went to my memleket (Nevsehir) and even there i saw many of their (young) males laughing and having a fun time as if they are on a holiday.

We central Anatolians have this advantage, we have our feet in both worlds. I commend you for your concern and interest, as my komsu - Im from Kayseri

@Deliorman this thread should interest you

 

[Freyja]

any form of legal case.

Come on now, we all know the Americans don't care about legality.

And honestly, I think it's stupid too. Legal wars? Oxymoron much?

How many wars have been legally sanctioned?