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ISIS attacks Turkish Army on Syrian Border [T-155 destroyed]

The Syria policy of Erdogan can be and should be criticized, but can you say the same about your own country? Because for me there is not much difference between hezbollah (/shiite militants) and isis. Crying foul when others do the same your country has been doing for years/decades is hypocrite.

What matters for you doesn't really matter in the bigger picture, because right now, it's ISIS which has destroyed Turkish artillery pieces and many joined ISIS from the very same groups Turkey actively supported and ISIS captured many weapons from the same Turkey-supported groups.
 
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What matters for you doesn't really matter in the bigger picture, because right now, it's ISIS which has destroyed Turkish artillery pieces and many joined ISIS from the very same groups Turkey actively supported and ISIS captured many weapons from the same Turkey-supported groups.
How is your reply related to the question i asked you? I repeat, as long as Iran continues to use proxies in the region, as it has been doing for decades, then Iranians have no right to criticize others in the neighborhood.
 
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Nobody died and thats the most important part. We lost 1 Sabra and 3 Firtina's and had no casualties so far. They can be replaced anytime we want, but human lives cant.

Glad to hear there was no casualty. Give these bastards hell! Make them pay!
 
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You hit the nail on its head here. The Iraq invasion of 2003 was the inception for what we see today, without pretext, justification and any form of legal case. All that's happening now doesn't effect EU/West sufficiently to call for wiping these extreme groups. Why would it effect the West, Turkey with three million Syrian war refugees is paying their ffuckup. Bonus, they get to watch a geography in flames, ultimately crippling any geographical ambitions, including that of Turkey. Win/win in their scheme of viewing the world= zero sum game, international realism. Our win is their loss, available materials are scarce, positive sum outcome is out of question.

As Bush said, "you are either with us or against us". You either serve the cause of your white Anglo-Saxon masters or you are a slave who deserve nothing - you can't pursue any nationalistic ambitions that is at "odds" with their interest, it doesn't even have to be at odds, as long as they percieve it to be, that suffices. Their attitude clearly demonstrate this, even here on PDF. You just have to look


We central Anatolians have this advantage, we have our feet in both worlds. I commend you for your concern and interest, as my komsu - Im from Kayseri :)

@Deliorman this thread should interest you
Fully agree with every word brother, you literally took the words out of my mouth. Thanks for that.

Take care neighbor :) Kayseri is truly lovely, especially mountain Erciyes. Will definitely visit Kayseri again in the future.
 
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How is your reply related to the question i asked you? I repeat, as long as Iran continues to use proxies in the region, as it has been doing for decades, then Iranians have no right to criticize others in the neighborhood.

But those 'proxies' didn't bite us in the back, did they? I thought my post is clear enough.
 
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why dont you tell me why you could not stop those chechens going to isis? or the EU fighters of IS ? why dont they stop them?

About Russians, the reason is simple as genius. They know the Islamists who enter Syria and attach to ISIS. They say, let them go to dead, if they ever turn back, we will put them into prison because of terrorism supporting. It's a win-win situation for Russians.
 
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About Russians, the reason is simple as genius. They know the Islamists who enter Syria and attach to ISIS. They say, let them go to dead, if they ever turn back, we will put them into prison because of terrorism supporting. It's a win-win situation for Russians.

you are right.. but I just tried to show if not all terrorists can be identified as terrorist when they leave their homeland than it is not easy for turkey to know who is tourist or terrorist..

I hoped I could trigger some kind of critical thinking.. but some ppl only see black and white (yeah for sure I know what nato can do and does around the world there is surly an agreement about that issue)
 
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not sure why you would have your artillery that close to the border and why it wasn't dug in better.

Turkey is going to need better surveillance along the border.
 
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not sure why you would have your artillery that close to the border and why it wasn't dug in better.

Turkey is going to need better surveillance along the border.

Like the fence line/wall they build up? Btw, how much is left?
 
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not sure why you would have your artillery that close to the border and why it wasn't dug in better.
It could be used as a reason to,who knows what.
One thing is for sure,thats not the usual way to do it,for Turkish Army standards.
 
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