ISI ordered journalist's murder - More US Propaganda?

[S.M.R]

Bravo Comment.

conantheballbearing
5 July 2011 9:03AM
White House Intelligence, why on earth would anyone believe them?!

The White House condoned torture and Bradley Manning is still being held without trial in solitary confinement, a form of torture, for doing his duty and revealing war crimes. The White House has lost all credibility on the world stage and all its claims must be taken with a pinch of salt. How long ago was it that Hilary Clinton instructed US diplomats to surreptitiously collect DNA samples from other countries UN delegates?

Feel ashamed USA for trying to convince the world might is right.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Whats new in this. This was known to everyone but no one has guts to speak out as then they would also be killed by ISI

So why are journalists such as Ayaz Amir, Kamran Shafi, Ahmed Rashid, Hamid Mir, Ayesha Siddiqa etc. still alive?

All these people have been bashing the Army and the ISI for years, and alleging 'ties to extremists', among other criticizms, and they continue to do so.

The allegation that the ISI 'eliminated SS because he was critical of the ISI's ties to extremists' fails given the above.

 

[Major Ram]

In the same way the Hemant Karkare was killed by RAW?

A very small correction... Karkare was killed by a terrorist coming in a boat from Karachi, Pakistan. Surely not RAW. You should get some general knowledge before posting.

 

[Hunzaghazi]

So why are journalists such as Ayaz Amir, Kamran Shafi, Ahmed Rashid, Hamid Mir, Ayesha Siddiqa etc. still alive?

All these people have been bashing the Army and the ISI for years, and alleging 'ties to extremists', among other criticizms, and they continue to do so.

The allegation that the ISI 'eliminated SS because he was critical of the ISI's ties to extremists' fails given the above.

One day their time will also come. I believe that Shahzad crossed line when he tried to alert India against conspiracies hatched by ISI.
ISI treats them as gaddar.
Hamid Mir never does that. All that he does is analysis.
Criticism is one thing but andar ki baat ko dushman tak pahuchana aur baat hai. Samjhe.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

One day their time will also come. I believe that Shahzad crossed line when he tried to alert India against conspiracies hatched by ISI.
ISI treats them as gaddar.
Hamid Mir never does that. All that he does is analysis.
Criticism is one thing but andar ki baat ko dushman tak pahuchana aur baat hai. Samjhe.

And what is 'andar ki baat' than was bad enough to get SS killed?

Please enlighten us, or is this yet another unverifiable conspiracy theory?

And simply saying 'one day their time will come' when these journalists have been criticizing the Military/intelligence for decades in some cases, is a really poor argument. How much more insults and criticizm against the Army have to be uttered by these people to get them killed?

You are clutching at straws now to justify an unsubstantiated allegation against the ISI.

 

[nescafe]

i have read the book....there is a complete chapter on Maj haroon who was an Ex SSG guy who converted into a Jihadi. Maj Haroon and his younger brother Capt SHahzad, both left SSG and fought against the army. their main goal was to disrupt the NATO supply line. Capt Shahzad died fighting against NATO.Maj Haroon is in adiala jail going through a trial.

Saleem Shahzad has drawn down the perspectives of lal masjid event, sawat operations and haqqanis in a very realistic and strategic manner. the army couldnt tolerate it.Men in uniform are not 100 percent correct all the time. we should start beleiving that army men has the same DNA as that of politicians. they can make mistakes as well.... killin Saleem Shahzad was immoral just because he revealed that ISI was not able to catch the ex-SSG turned commandoes in time.

 

[S.M.R]

That is misinformation. CIA confirmed Shahzad. There is difference.

Write atleast some credible thing. Aise hi hawa me kyun..........?

they also confirmed WMD in iraq but could not find. and You still believe them? strange.

 

[Solomon2]

they also confirmed WMD in iraq but could not find. and You still believe them? strange.

Because the U.S. was partially incorrect in one instance but has been confirmed correct in many others, most notably the presence of Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan.

Sure, the U.S. isn't infallible. But it is by repeated demonstrations a lot more credible than many sources - including official Pakistani ones.

You don't like the fact that one person/one group/one nation may be better than another - especially if that entity is better than you - do you?

 

[Solomon2]

I don't see why the White House has to interfere in this, this is Pakistan's internal matter & is to be handled by the Supreme Court of Pakistan. Clearly exposes the motives of the White House.

The quoted official clearly cited the reason: the murder was intended to change the nature of Pakistan, hence it has the attention of the White House.

If I recall correctly the Supreme Court has a poor record in such inquiries, with Army generals simply refusing to answer questions in detail, claiming the Court lacks jurisdiction.

 

[S.M.R]

Because the U.S. was partially incorrect in one instance but has been confirmed correct in many others, most notably the presence of Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan.

Sure, the U.S. isn't infallible. But it is by repeated demonstrations a lot more credible than many sources - including official Pakistani ones.

You don't like the fact that one person/one group/one nation may be better than another - especially if that entity is better than you - do you?

US failed in Iraq, and that failure was surfaced merely due to the fact the same was verifiable as it could not say 'hey we found WMD and thrown all of them in Sea." OBL's presence read the previous sentence again.

It was ISI, with the help of whom US was able to arrest many its wanted terrorists.

Why do you always think that you people are better than every creation of the universe? what so special ?

If you have any credible information about ISI involvement then share, else ask your White / Black / Grey / Red house to keep its mouth shut on our internal matters.

 

[S.M.R]

The quoted official clearly cited the reason: the murder was intended to change the nature of Pakistan, hence it has the attention of the White House.

If I recall correctly the Supreme Court has a poor record in such inquiries, with Army generals simply refusing to answer questions in detail, claiming the Court lacks jurisdiction.

elaborate please.

 

[rajusri]

So why are journalists such as Ayaz Amir, Kamran Shafi, Ahmed Rashid, Hamid Mir, Ayesha Siddiqa etc. still alive?

All these people have been bashing the Army and the ISI for years, and alleging 'ties to extremists', among other criticizms, and they continue to do so.

The allegation that the ISI 'eliminated SS because he was critical of the ISI's ties to extremists' fails given the above.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/05/world/asia/05pakistan.html?_r=2

A Pakistani reporter, Waqar Kiani, who works for the British newspaper The Guardian, was beaten in the capital after Mr. Shahzad’s death with wooden batons and a rubber whip, by men who said: “You want to be a hero. We’ll make you a hero,” the newspaper reported. Mr. Kiani had just published an account of his abduction two years earlier at the hands of intelligence agents.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

ISI killed Saleem Shahzad : US govt
Iraq has WMD's:US govt

 

[SMC]

Ok lets say USA wanted to get the oil from iraq so killed saddam..but wat has pakistan to offer USA??No oil, No Gas no gold mines,no diamond mines..wat does Pakistan have so that usa is desperate to conquer them as many of u guys claim here??if u say nukes im sorry USA has thousands of times more nuke than that of pakistan USA disembles more bombs a year than pakistan adds, pakistan doesnot even have a market for US products..

and about the bolded area --why does some body need to add pressure on u to act upon militants??heck if they werre to be ur internal problem like maoists in india no body would care, but ur goodies cross the border and kill foreigners(non pakistanis) and they live and thrive in pakistan .and if pakistan is not gaoing to act on them who will act??then there r 2 ways of looking t it
1. either pakistan doesnot want to take action on them for some motives of their own
2. They are not efficient enof to take action.

in those cases to things are bound to happen:1. world will loose patience and soon there will be strike on pakistan and its unfortunate ppl
2. Pakistan should sooner ask UN help and deploy UN peace keeping troops in pakistan something like somalia does.

What about Gwadar and Pakistan acting a transit route for China? That, as far as I am concerned, is more than enough reason for US to interfere. And nukes is in fact a good reason - not because they don't have nukes but because they don't want us to have nukes as it threatens Israel.

As far as North Waziristan is concerned, you more or less answered your own question but also made some diversions. Let's make it simple. They want us to go after Haqqanis, correct? That's another reason right there.

 

[Hunzaghazi]

And what is 'andar ki baat' than was bad enough to get SS killed?

Please enlighten us, or is this yet another unverifiable conspiracy theory?

And simply saying 'one day their time will come' when these journalists have been criticizing the Military/intelligence for decades in some cases, is a really poor argument. How much more insults and criticizm against the Army have to be uttered by these people to get them killed?

You are clutching at straws now to justify an unsubstantiated allegation against the ISI.

Andar ki baat means he tried to reveal terror militant-intelligence network through his book. He also gave an interview to IBN LIVE on 26/11 where he pointed fingers at ISI for the plot.
IBNLive : Suhasini Haidar's Blog : The story that killed journalist Saleem Shahzad