'ISI mulling action against Mullah Omar'

[roadrunner]

Dear roadrunner, the accord just like the other accords was not respected by non of the Mujahideen factions especially Gulbudin and Masoud who were blood thirsty rivals.

It was Massoud and Rabbani that were the problems. Hekmatyar did not gain control of Kabul in 1992, it was Massoud.

After this Massoud and Rabbani were supposed to share power with the other Mujahideen leaders. They did not. Instead Rabbani re-elected himself by a creating a Council consisting of his own men, known as the "Council of Wise Men".

Can you see why this was a power grab by Massoud and Rabbani that broke the Peshawar Accords and caused the Civil war in Afghanistan. Pakistan did not initiate this. The Northern Alliance did initiate the Civil war.

When Najibullah's gov was about to collapse, both Masould and Hekmatyar tried everything to enter Kabul and take control of the captial, both men intensified their contacts with the Khalq and Parcham elements in Kabul to make it possible for them to gain control of Kabul, in this struggle Masoud played his cards right and entered the capital before Hekmatyar.

Right Massoud took over, not Hekmatyar. He took over it so easily that it's almost as if Hekmatyar was not there.

As per the NA(also Mujahideen), they are not saints or good guys--and Dostum was nothing but scum of the earth. this rivalrly continued between masould and hektmatyar until the taliban came and they both became freinds for the sake of common enemy, so basically both of them wanted the same thing and was fighting for it, blame pakistan for taking side of hekmatyar and prolonging and facilitating a civil war. and i dont know how masould prolonged the war while he was one of the biggest forces to encounter the soviets and gave them bloody noses.

Some big lies in there Ahmad.

Do you know what initiated the Civil War in Afghanistan? It was the breakdown of the power sharing agreement which was entirely the fault of Rabbani and Massoud. It was Rabbanis election by his own men to serve another term that caused the Civil War to ensure. If these Northern Alliance scum weren't so power hungry and looking to rule Afghanistan at the expense of the Pashtun, there would have been no Civil War.

Do you think it was fair for Rabbani to elect himself through a Council made up of his own men?

Consider you were leader of a country. You had to give power up to another person. Instead you select 7 of your best friends, call them "Wise men", and ask them to vote on who they want as the next leader. That is exactly what Rabbani and Massoud did, and that caused resentment.

Massoud cut deals with General Gromov the Soviet military commander to allow safe passage of Soviet troops to the East of Afghanistan where the insurgency was. Massoud even staged fake skimishes where he turned out to be a hero, in order to give the impression that he was serious in his fight against the Soviets when he was not. General Gromov is on records as saying all of this.

and do you blame them for not seeking power after being margnalized and discriminated by the pashtoon leaders? what if the same thing happen in pakistan? will it be acceptable to the people if one group discriminate against the others? it is not the god given rights of pashtoons to rule the others and take their rights. and right now it is the taliban who are not interested in peace.

Why should the Tajiks predominate in government, when they are a minority in the country.

The government should reflect the ethnic composition of the country.

The discrimination card is just a very weak argument used again and again by those that can't offer any other explanation.

 

[Ajaxpaul]

we dont want to carry out operation in a foreign country Afghanistan. and we do expect that US/NATO should not push him into Pakistan for making that case

Maybe he is in Afg , maybe he is in Pak...How do the people know, maybe the US knows hence the pressure.

why US wants to push omar into pakistan, make a case and strike pakistan? What do they gain from it??

If they know omar is in Afg, then he will be taken out there.

 

[airuah]

everybody damaged us including northern alliance too. now if someone is making them look like saints then we cant do anything.

anyway i must say we should mine our border with Afghanistan both in KP and Balochistan. enough is enough.

will that stop US helis

 

[nwmalik]

I hope Mullah Omar does read The SUN or visits this forum, otherwise he would run away

 

[Jigs]

Hopefully Pakistan can catch him. Or the U.S. might have to drop in for another assassination.

 

[Solomon2]

Acting against Omar is good, but Pakistan will never be free from the stain of terrorism until it abandons the LeT and like-minded organizations and what they stand for. Until then there will always be terrorists who will train and practice (that is, prey upon the citizenry) in Pakistani territory.

Yes, I know Pakistanis are upset about Kashmir; it's part of your schooling. But right now it'll take at least a decade of good behavior before the Kashmiris are interested in Pakistan; if Pakistan magically conquered Kashmir tomorrow, there would be a repeat of the East Pakistan crisis six months later. Do you really want the P.A. to be involved in such war crimes again?

 

[Time Assassin]

The Sun needs to change its name to The Sh*t, it lies about everything. One day they will write something saying Gravity doesn't exist.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Why does everyone here seem to assume that Mullah Omar is in Pakistan? The Pakistani government says he is not in Pakistan. Don't you believe the GoP??

 

[majesticpankaj]

Why does everyone here seem to assume that Mullah Omar is in Pakstan? The palistani government says he is not in Palkstan. Don't you believe the GoP??

this is sarcastic my dear friend...... but in reality forget about the world pakistanis themselves do not believe their government

 

[TruthSeeker]

this is sarcastic my dear friend.

majesticpankaj, Sir! Sarcasm is against the rules of the Forum. I would never, ever, knowingly violate the rules of the Forum! Your apology is accepted, Sir!

 

[AAtish]

No, ISI gave the tipped to Mullah Omar and he than gave it to THE SUN

No NO.. ISI gave the tip to Mullah Omer who told it to Bush, who informed Obama who in return told it to David Cameron who told it to Blair who forwarded the new to the Sun and it was printed on Page 3

 

[AAtish]

Acting against Omar is good, but Pakistan will never be free from the stain of terrorism until it abandons the LeT and like-minded organizations and what they stand for. Until then there will always be terrorists who will train and practice (that is, prey upon the citizenry) in Pakistani territory.

Yes, I know Pakistanis are upset about Kashmir; it's part of your schooling. But right now it'll take at least a decade of good behavior before the Kashmiris are interested in Pakistan; if Pakistan magically conquered Kashmir tomorrow, there would be a repeat of the East Pakistan crisis six months later. Do you really want the P.A. to be involved in such war crimes again?

Oh so you are pro-Indian.. thanks for letting us know.. and Yes it is part of our schooling, as it is part of a UN resolution but as usual the NATO forces will NOT ACT on that resolution now will they??.. Same as they will NOT ACT about numerous resolutions on Palestine..

Until you measure "everything" with same ruler, you do not have the right to preach anything.. As far as Kashmiris are concerned.. please do go to IoK and see if it is as Indians claim...

 

[Vassnti]

anyway i must say we should mine our border with Afghanistan both in KP and Balochistan. enough is enough.

Better border control is a good idea but would mining the border really do any good, a week later some one would probably be digging them up and selling the mines in Darra Adam Khel.

 

[pakdefender]

I dont think we have any control over Mullah Omer or for that matter if we even know where he is, it was widely reported that post 9/11 Gen Mehmood tried to convince him to hand over OBL but he refused so why assume that we have some sort of control over him or for that matter that we even know where he is

 

[mikkix]

its better to catch Umer first before CIA catch him. If cia catch Mullah Umer then, there will be serious consequences of it.
CIA is doing the same thing "are you with us or not". and Pakistan replying with same yes we are with you and they may handover Umer to CIA.
ISI allowed CIA to build their network, why they did that. whatever the money they got from US but this should not be done