Is there Room for Improvement in CPEC Implementation in GB?

[Imad.Khan]

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the logic, just clarifying the official line of the government of Pakistan.

I think there is much more that can be done to give more autonomy to the people of GB even before getting in to the debate over GB's possible provincial status.

I agree with you, and in my opinion every Pakistani citizen whether he lives in Karachi or Lahore or Khuzdar or Chitral or GB, whether he believes in one god or multiple gods, whether he speaks Urdu or Pushto or Farsi or Khowar, Whether man or woman, everyone should have identical rights.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Nobody in Pakistan contributes but everybody wants their share. They want their non-existent share before project is even started.

Pakistanis have sacrificed so much, from fighting for our independence, to uphold the rule of law, to restore democracy( even if its not the greatest democracy), in upholding our freedom by giving their lives.

Examples

1. People like the Quaid & Fatima Jinnah
2. The million people that were massacred for Pakistan's Independence
2. People like Edhi and Ansar Barni
3. All the soldiers that gave their lives fighting to defend our freedom

There are countless more. Please don't be-little their sacrifices

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Merge FATA with KPK and make GB a province.

Decision must be made with the consultation of the local people, they should be given the right to choose if they want to merge with KPK or want to be a separate province.

 

[Hamza913]

Give GB provincial status.

 

[Arsalan]

I said what i felt...This is actually GBs demanding....RECOGNITION.....Pakistan should find a way to integrate GB constitutionally, one way or another, we should do it.

We should remain intact with local GBs and try to mold CPEC according to their approach...We can't afford unrest in GB given current geopolitics...Let me tag other senior members as well....

WAJsal krash @Oscar @The Eagle @Zibago @django @The Sandman @That Guy @Moonlight @somebozo @Mr.Meap @Spring Onion @Arsalan @Path-Finder @dsr478 @Pakistani Exile @HttpError

@maximuswarrior @Tipu7

The problem is GB is part of the Kashmir issue and we cannot just ignore the problem and get on with our way of life.

However I do agree that CPEC should bring the max. good it can for the people of the region and the local gov. should see to it that the GB government is working properly and for the betterment of the local population. The people in that area are true patriots and I feel sorry that we have to keep them as a separate segment but this is for a good cause. We cannot ignore the plight of our Kashmiri brothers living in IOK and get on with our life as if nothing have happened. THAT PROBLEM NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED!

 

[The Eagle]

I said what i felt...This is actually GBs demanding....RECOGNITION.....Pakistan should find a way to integrate GB constitutionally, one way or another, we should do it.

We should remain intact with local GBs and try to mold CPEC according to their approach...We can't afford unrest in GB given current geopolitics...Let me tag other senior members as well....

WAJsal krash @Oscar @The Eagle @Zibago @django @The Sandman @That Guy @Moonlight @somebozo @Mr.Meap @Spring Onion @Arsalan @Path-Finder @dsr478 @Pakistani Exile @HttpError

@maximuswarrior @Tipu7

Recognition is not the solution at the time being or I would say it is going to affect the whole Kashmir scenario. What if I say, that's what the occupier wants us to do. If I am not wrong here, long ago GB requested for integration into Pakistan, however, a self governed system is already introduced and GB is working fine. The denial of the integration was based only on the point whereby such integration may harm the Kashmir Cause in whole because our stance is for freedom of Kashmir and their integration into Pakistan is their free choice though such move in-case of GB alone wouldn't be feasible nor logical.

GB's patriotism, no doubt at all even if someone is mistaken about that, I would say to wake up but the problem came in where the political elite started mislead to gain the vote bank rather than benefits for all and the area. Actually, IMO, Government is hell bent to make CPEC a NSEC or PMLnEC. These short sighted people are not looking at the picture from broader aspects or in the long run but want to prove that look what the king NS has done. Still there is a lot of room to make it better, indeed, and that can be done when these fake leaders be kicked out of the way or the government pay attention that the few goons are making hue & cry for political benefits and prove it. The game is only about to score more points for oneself in CPEC.

 

[WAJsal]

Recognition is not the solution at the time being or I would say it is going to affect the whole Kashmir scenario. What if I say, that's what the occupier wants us to do. If I am not wrong here, long ago GB requested for integration into Pakistan, however, a self governed system is already introduced and GB is working fine. The denial of the integration was based only on the point whereby such integration may harm the Kashmir Cause in whole because our stance is for freedom of Kashmir and their integration into Pakistan is their free choice though such move in-case of GB alone wouldn't be feasible nor logical.

GB's patriotism, no doubt at all even if someone is mistaken about that, I would say to wake up but the problem came in where the political elite started mislead to gain the vote bank rather than benefits for all and the area. Actually, IMO, Government is hell bent to make CPEC a NSEC or PMLnEC. These short sighted people are not looking at the picture from broader aspects or in the long run but want to prove that look what the king NS has done. Still there is a lot of room to make it better, indeed, and that can be done when these fake leaders be kicked out of the way or the government pay attention that the few goons are making hue & cry for political benefits and prove it. The game is only about to score more points for oneself in CPEC.

Hello everyone.

I don't usually post threads on social issues but I have some friends from GB who have been directing to me such news lately. I must confess I am not super well informed about these issues and would like to start a fruitful discussion here.

Is it possible that in our rush for the CPEC and our desire to pacify the more visible Baloch concerns we are putting the concerns of the locals of GB on the backburner?

NOTE: I would prefer only Pakistanis respond to this thread. This is not of any spite, but simply because if you're an Indian it is hard for you to not be influenced by the Indian media on this issue. There should be no discussion about India's position, concerns or designs. This is a thread about the CPEC's implementation in Pakistan. IF you have INFORMED opinions, please do contribute in a dignified manner reflective of your respectability. Also please don't respond to trolls, just report them. I would request the mods to ban trolls here. I know this thread can be troll-bait but it would be a shame if you don't discuss possibly real issues out of fear of trolls. I appreciate the mods' efforts in this regard.

This issue needs to be addressed, the problem is Kashmir considers G-B as a parcel state, but G-B does not recognize it self as a parcel, instead the consider them selves a separate entity which has always been with Pakistan, even before the inception of Pakistan.

We understand that giving G-B provisional status can jeopardize the Kashmir cause. On the other we also need to find a middle way to empower the people of that province, as they are extremely patriotic people. I think we can make give them certain economic packages,more development and giving more share in CPEC since it passes through G-B.

G-B has immense tourism potential and with improvement of law and order things are back on track.

I said what i felt...This is actually GBs demanding....RECOGNITION.....Pakistan should find a way to integrate GB constitutionally, one way or another, we should do it.

We should remain intact with local GBs and try to mold CPEC according to their approach...We can't afford unrest in GB given current geopolitics...Let me tag other senior members as well....

WAJsal krash @Oscar @The Eagle @Zibago @django @The Sandman @That Guy @Moonlight @somebozo @Mr.Meap @Spring Onion @Arsalan @Path-Finder @dsr478 @Pakistani Exile @HttpError

@maximuswarrior @Tipu7

We need to give representation to GB in Parliament, and give GB it's constitutional status and make it a part of Pakistan which is the demand of the locals and something everything Gilgiti seeks: right of recognition. And why are we not giving them this basic right, here is the reason why:

When/If the the Kashmir issues goes to an actual plebiscite, AJK and GB being pro-Pakistan areas will help the Pakistani vote.

Everyone is correct in their assessment, but we need to worry about this issue before the sense of deprivation escalates. These are patriotic people and want a proper share of what they deserve. It's been 70 years for god's sake, we need to move forward.
We should hold a referendum in GB and AJK, once they choose to be a part of Pakistan we should integrate them and give them provincial status. It will not weaken our stance on Kashmir, in fact will only strengthen it.

One more thing: people are not protesting against CPEC, CPEC is jump being taken advantage of due to its importance. People will use it to get what they want, no one in GB is against CPEC. CPEC will benefit GB a lot, economically, socially, human development, infrastructure. These protests are a good way to get what you want. And being a Gilgiti i would have to agree with the demands made. It's unfair behavior to very patriotic people...

 

[Salik]

We can have episodic plebiscite under the UN observance, let Indian friends also be there. GB and then AJK.

Hence go to the Valley and Ladakh.

Solve this problem once and for all.