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Pakistan:

There is of course the enormous and amazing Plant for Pakistan project initiated by IK to plant 10 billion trees in Pakistan between 2018-2023.


Saudi Arabia:

There is the Saudi Green Initiative to plant 10 billion trees.



Egypt:


Are there other such large-scale projects in Western Asia?

Is there a large-scale project that is transnational and not just national?

It seems that our Chinese friends have had great success but at the same time there are reports of that not being the case.


 
Converting desert to forest is totally impossible and a wasteful exercise until the day desalination becomes cheap, takes tremendous amounts of water and resources and after a few years, the plants will die anyway. All those Saudi artifical forests, leave them without water for like 15 days and the desert will take over. Greening of semi-arid areas that get 300-400mm of rain still might be possible. Focus should be on saving the forests that are left. For every tiny forest that is planted in the desert, hundreds of square km of forest is being chopped down in the Congo, Amazon and SouthEast Asia. Palm oil and lumber demand is a huge culprit.
 
Converting desert to forest is totally impossible and a wasteful exercise until the day desalination becomes cheap, takes tremendous amounts of water and resources and after a few years, the plants will die anyway. All those Saudi artifical forests, leave them without water for like 15 days and the desert will take over. Greening of semi-arid areas that get 300-400mm of rain still might be possible. Focus should be on saving the forests that are left. For every tiny forest that is planted in the desert, hundreds of square km of forest is being chopped down in the Congo, Amazon and SouthEast Asia. Palm oil and lumber demand is a huge culprit.

Not true. Huge areas of Saudi Arabia have been converted into farmlands and fertile lands. We are talking about an area the size of Belgium which could/can feed millions upon millions of people. Saudi Arabia is already mostly self-sufficient in most foods. The videos that I posted mention the same things.

As for water desalination, most of the water used for domestic consumption and in industrial use in Saudi Arabia originates from water desalination plants. Money is and will not be an issue either.

Anyway Saudi Arabia is a huge country and half of it is mountainous and with improving technology the country could become a food basket for the region.

I also read reports that large parts of the Arabian Peninsula will turn green again in a few 100 years due to increasing rainfall during the monsoon period.

According to many long-term weather forecasts the average participation will increase as well in most of West Asia (Pakistan included).

Anyway greenhouses will play a huge role and already are.

Greenhouse Agriculture: The Future of High-Tech Farming​


 
Another great solution is desalination which is a widespread method in the GCC, Israel, USA, Australia, Singapore etc.


I think that 50% of all the drinking water in Saudi Arabia derives from desalination. Probably due to all the water that is being wasted/consumed in KSA and also due to protecting the aquifers.


It seems that solar and floating desalination is also used.

Saudi farmer, 24, engineers a blooming desert​

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Sofian Al-Bishri, CEO of Mojan Farms. (AN photos by Huda Bashatah)

NADA HAMEED
June 27, 2022

  • Our secret is research and data, says Sofian Al-Bishri, CEO of Mojan Farms
  • Green-fingered engineer grows basil, Japanese cabbage, lettuce, cherry tomatoes
KHULAIS: The last thing one expects to find in the middle of dusty and dry Khulais, located on the western side of the Saudi Arabian desert, is a farm blooming with all sorts of herbs and vegetables.

Yet this is exactly what Sofian Al-Bishri, the 24-year-old CEO of Mojan Farms, has done. The qualified engineer has proven that combining technical know-how with a little ingenuity can go a long way to fulfil his dream of greening the environment, while also running a sustainable business.

Al-Bishri explained to Arab News that despite the lack of water in the area, he was able to construct a full ecosystem using sustainable farming methods such as bumble-bee pollination, hydroponic saltwater technology, and a fully automated monitoring system.

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On a 15,000-square-meter strip of family land, Al-Bishri established Mojan Farms in 2020 with five greenhouses, each containing a different type of herb or vegetable.

Hydroponic technology allows for the cultivation of crops without soil, with roots growing in a liquid nutrient solution or inside moist inert materials like Rockwool and Vermiculite.

HIGHLIGHT​

Despite the lack of water in the area, Sofian Al-Bishri was able to construct a full ecosystem using sustainable farming methods such as bumble- bee pollination, hydroponic saltwater technology, and a fully automated monitoring system.

The water of the liquid nutrient solution is a mixture of essential plant food, allowing faster crop growth than traditional planting methods.

The farm has various crops, including basil, Japanese cabbage, lettuce and cherry tomatoes. “Every house is a separate ecosystem. We do this to eliminate cross-contamination, so each house is separate and has its designated variety.”

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Mojan Farms is environmentally friendly because the system captures and reuses water, rather than allowing it to drain away. “We use drip irrigation, it reduces the water usage by 40 percent, and we work with a company locally that produces biopolymers, which are formed into gels that we have under the ground right now.”

“When talking about wasted water, the problem is when you irrigate the crops, the water just gets drained down. It doesn’t get retained in the soil. So these polymers hold the water which transforms into a gel full of water, allowing enough time for the plant to absorb it, so we get to irrigate much less.”

There is also considerable automation in place, which allows for cooling and irrigation. “We need to believe in research and data, this is our game. I invested in some retrofitted tech from other industries to cut down on labor requirements and time.”

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Instead of having an engineer constantly monitor water usage and the spreading of fertilizers, Mojan’s greenhouses are equipped with a sensor system.

“All of these smart devices that we have are automatically connected to the cloud, it all tunes into risk management, so we protect ourselves from any loss of crops.”

Al-Bishri said that he grows crops that are in demand by industry, and is constantly gathering data, sometimes over months, from restaurants, distributors and importers. “So we find those strains that are usually imported, and we find ways to grow them locally.”

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Al-Bishri said his farms produce 300 to 400 kilograms of produce ever month. He chooses to grow some Italian strains such as Genovese basil which is different from local ones. In addition, he produces Lola Rossa and Lollo Bionda lettuces, both red Italian types, used mostly to garnish burgers.

He has now decided to go public with his operation. “This farm has been private, it’s just for my father and me, we just come here in winter ... we decided we had enough entertainment here ... and it’s time to share (this project).”

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He also plans to plant over 3,000 mango trees as a long-term investment. “Within two years, we’re hoping that it will provide enough shade for us to create artificial lakes and open that for picnics and for the public and families, and to make it an actual park.”

“And the reason we’ve decided to do this now, as opposed to before, is that we’re actually now working with a local startup to provide tech for that strip of land that reduces water by 80 percent, which means we can do it at a more sustainable rate. That’s both good for me and good for the environment.”


If such small steps can produce 300-400 kg of produce every month, imagine such projects on a large scale. The sky is the limit!


 
Repeating "Climate change" ideology propaganda is a way to keep developing countries in a eternal "developing" state.
 
Repeating "Climate change" ideology propaganda is a way to keep developing countries in a eternal "developing" state.

Denying climate change is akin to denying science. There is no ideology involved, it is simply about protecting our home, earth.

Go visit the interior of Sindh and ask local farmers if widespread drought is a ideology/propaganda or the reality.
 
Denying climate change is akin to denying science. There is no ideology involved, it is simply about protecting our home, earth.

Go visit the interior of Sindh and ask local farmers if widespread drought is a ideology/propaganda or the reality.

I dont care.

Build factories for them.

Develop their country.

That's the way to escape from extreme porverty.

Repeating Climate Change ideology is a way to keep poor people eternally poor. And yes, it's a ideology too, maybe it has some science base, but it's not the end of the world and can be ignored. Climate change proved effects are not science, and the proved until now is not disastrous, it can be tolerated.

Extreme porverty should not be ignored.

I dont understand how can someone from a developing country repeat and spread fake Western propaganda of "climate change" to keep developing countries in a eternal developing state.

The only explanation is that this forum is plenty of hasbaras and western paid trolls with fake flags, spreading western lies, propaganda and nonsenses.

"Climate change" is a obvious plot of elites when reach power and they avoid other people from get their same status, China that is now a almost-developed country, it's starting to talk that bullshit too.
 
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I dont care.

Build factories for them.

Develop their country.

That's the way to escape from extreme porverty.

Repeating Climate Change ideology is a way to keep poor people eternally poor. And yes, it's a ideology too, maybe it has some science base, but it's not the end of the world and can be ignored. Climate change proved effects are not science, and the proved until now is not disastrous, it can be tolerated.

Extreme porverty should not be ignored.

I dont understand how can someone from a developing country repeat and spread fake Western propaganda of "climate change" to keep developing countries in a eternal developing state.

The only explanation is that this forum is plenty of hasbaras and western paid trolls with fake flags, spreading western lies, propaganda and nonsenses.

"Climate change" is a obvious plot of elites when reach power and they avoid other people from get their same status, China that is now a almost-developed country, it's starting to talk that bullshit too.

:lol:

Doing things in a more sustainable way increases economic output on the long-term and creates new jobs. There is no contradiction between sustainability and economic growth.

Climate change is a scientific fact.


HOME / BLOG / REGENERATIVE AGRICULTURE TURNS AL BAYDHA GREEN

Regenerative Agriculture Turns Al Baydha Green​

Under the directive of Saudi Princesses Haifa al Faisal and Nouf bint Fahd, a development project with the aim of restoring sustainable agriculture through regenerative farming methodologies was introduced to the Al Baydha regions in Western Saudi Arabia. Based over a 100-acre area prototype, the project was headed by Stanford University permaculturist Neil Spackman and Harvard University bioethicist and futurist, Mona Hamdy.

Located approximately 20 miles south of Mecca, Al Baydha is a cluster of nine villages extending over 700 kilometers. The area has traditionally served Bedouin nomadic tribes as pasture for grazing animals, where inhabitants would move across land in search of rain. However, post the 1950’s when ancestral land management systems like EMA (protected land) were abolished and tribal boundaries were eradicated, Bedouin tribes from as far as 200 to 300 miles brought animals for grazing to the Al Baydha terrain. Over time, trees were cut down and sold as charcoal and wells had to be dug deeper to reach water. With the gradual decline of natural vegetation, seasonal rainfall swept away to the Red Sea as flash floods instead of getting absorbed into the ground. Over time, overgrazing and a natural decline in native pasture turned the once-fertile land to dry rocky desert.

As a part of the experiment that sought to turn barren land back to its previous fertile state, permaculturist Neil Spackman lived among the inhabitants of Al Baydha for a period of 8 years from 2010 to 2018. He worked to both educate, as well as gain the trust and cooperation of the people living there in building small dams, rock terraces and wide, shallow ditches that worked to catch and harvest rainwater. By 2012 the project moved to planting drought-resistant trees and by 2015 roughly 4000 trees from ten species had been planted. Whilst most trees did not eventually survive, they were enough to build an ecosystem that provided foraging for grazing animals, attract bees, and reduce soil erosion. The vegetation and trees also managed to produce oil from seeds and charcoal to sustain local tribes with livelihoods.

Despite difficulties in continuing with funding and a few years of persistent drought, by late 2018 and early 2019, the Al Baydha project benefitted from seasonal rains. Using 2000-year-old farming techniques, the water preservation and restorative agricultural methodologies implemented at Al Baydha managed to retain 100 percent of rainwater. The area, which was previously desolate land, grew into a rich savannah. Currently, fruit and nut trees, vines and herbs, ground cover, root vegetables like ginger and turmeric, and shrub cash crops such as frankincense and moringa are successfully growing in the area and are going a long way in supplementing local incomes.

By successfully bringing greenery back to the desert, the Al Baydha project has proven that millions of hectares of Saudi desert can be transformed into arable land. The scope of the regenerative agricultural practices applied in Al Baydha have enormous potentials for use across Saudi Arabia’s coastal plains. They stand to turn barren land fertile, improve agricultural production and create jobs for local tribes across vast rural areas in the country.


VIDEO — SEE HOW NINE YEARS OF RESTORATIVE WORK HELPED BRING THOROUGHLY-DEGRADED LAND BACK TO LIFE IN SAUDI ARABIA​

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This video provides the final update about the restorative, 9-year Al Baydha Project, presented by co-founder Neal Spackman.

It describes how desertification resulted from the loss of an indigenous land management system, and how the land has changed since all inputs to the project were ceased in 2016.

Neal moved on from Al Baydha in 2018 and can now be contacted at https://regenerativeresources.co

The species that worked the best for the restoration were Ziziphus Spinachristi, Moringa Peregrina, commiphora gileadensis and prosopis spp (though this one likely won’t continue to be planted in the future), and the local acacias.



Even the driest deserts can be regenerated. Here’s how! With Neal Spackman of the Al Baydha project: 141​


 
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I dont care.

Build factories for them.

Develop their country.

That's the way to escape from extreme porverty.

Repeating Climate Change ideology is a way to keep poor people eternally poor. And yes, it's a ideology too, maybe it has some science base, but it's not the end of the world and can be ignored. Climate change proved effects are not science, and the proved until now is not disastrous, it can be tolerated.

Extreme porverty should not be ignored.

I dont understand how can someone from a developing country repeat and spread fake Western propaganda of "climate change" to keep developing countries in a eternal developing state.

The only explanation is that this forum is plenty of hasbaras and western paid trolls with fake flags, spreading western lies, propaganda and nonsenses.

"Climate change" is a obvious plot of elites when reach power and they avoid other people from get their same status, China that is now a almost-developed country, it's starting to talk that bullshit too.
do i really need to take a photo of alexandria a decade ago and now for you to compare? Working hand to hand with new fuel sources like green hydrogen isnt the end of the world

sustainability doesnt interfere with progress infact it increases it. Thermal insulation planting more trees provides a pleasent life for citzens. As well as public transportaion and loads of other advantges
 
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:lol:

Doing things in a more sustainable way increases economic output on the long-term and creates new jobs. There is no contradiction between sustainability and economic growth.

Climate change is a scientific fact.

Climate change disastrous effects are not a proved fact.

Yeah, temperature can change but that can mean nothing to your country, if the change is little enough.

Climate change is a ideology to keep developing countries eternally in developing status.

Burn less coal and have less industry have a proved effects in keeping a country eternally poor and dependent.

Climate change is ideology, a Western-made ideology.

You reminds me to communists who talked about "Scientific Socialism". Using falsely science to disguise a fake ideology to deceive people and keep them poor forever.

do i really need to take a photo of alexandria a decade ago and now for you to compare? Working hand to hand with new fuel sources like green hydrogen isnt the end of the world

sustainability doesnt interfere with progress infact it increases it. Thermal insulation planting more trees provides a pleasent life for citzens. As well as public transportaion and loads of other advantges

In the real world, yes, it interferes.

In the real world green ideology are used to stop economic grow.

Ask to any poor person what he would prefer: a forest of trees or a 3k usd month salary by his job.

You can't get money without economic grow, and you can't get economic grow repeating green fantasies ideology.
 
Converting desert to forest is totally impossible and a wasteful exercise until the day desalination becomes cheap, takes tremendous amounts of water and resources and after a few years, the plants will die anyway. All those Saudi artifical forests, leave them without water for like 15 days and the desert will take over. Greening of semi-arid areas that get 300-400mm of rain still might be possible. Focus should be on saving the forests that are left. For every tiny forest that is planted in the desert, hundreds of square km of forest is being chopped down in the Congo, Amazon and SouthEast Asia. Palm oil and lumber demand is a huge culprit.
 
I am quite a history buff and when reading about ancient civilizations/cultures (some dating all the way back to Neolithic times or prior even) of mainly our own region (Western Asia/MENA) I noticed that Arabia was once (less than 10.000 years ago) one of the most fertile areas on the planet with one of the largest river systems in the region if not the largest.

Case in point this map:

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The areas of concentration of rivers in what is today central and southern Najd and southern Hejaz alone are twice as large as the one in modern-day Iraq. In fact on that map, modern-day KSA has the largest concentration of all shown territory.

Unfortunately most of those rivers and lakes have dried up today and those that have not are wadis (non-permanent flowing rivers) but the question is if this ecosystem could be returned? If this is the case, KSA could turn into one of the major food baskets of the planet.

Another depiction:


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I find all this very fascinating and this explains the richness of ancient civilizations and cultures in Arabia such as Dilmun (contemporary of IVC and Sumer) and much older ones such as Al-Magar and many others.




This also explains why all the most impressive ancient structures of the region are now located in seemingly arid desert today which obviously was not the case once.

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So if the leading climatic scientists of our time (past ones too) have stated time and time again that the climate of the earth is changing and cyclic in nature (natural climate cycles) it is a given that those same now arid lands will become fertile again and current fertile lands will turn arid again etc.

I am just curious if humans of today or in the near future will be able to "speed" this process up in areas of the world that are faced with an arid climate (our region overall). Food for thought.
 
Not true. Huge areas of Saudi Arabia have been converted into farmlands and fertile lands. We are talking about an area the size of Belgium which could/can feed millions upon millions of people. Saudi Arabia is already mostly self-sufficient in most foods. The videos that I posted mention the same things.

As for water desalination, most of the water used for domestic consumption and in industrial use in Saudi Arabia originates from water desalination plants. Money is and will not be an issue either.

Anyway Saudi Arabia is a huge country and half of it is mountainous and with improving technology the country could become a food basket for the region.

I also read reports that large parts of the Arabian Peninsula will turn green again in a few 100 years due to increasing rainfall during the monsoon period.

According to many long-term weather forecasts the average participation will increase as well in most of West Asia (Pakistan included).

Anyway greenhouses will play a huge role and already are.

Greenhouse Agriculture: The Future of High-Tech Farming​



Saudi Arabia is a country without a river
 
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