Is the legacy of Quaid-e-Azam akin to that of Atattürk or that of Salahaddin

[Indus Pakistan]

What we have had in Pakistan is murder of history. For last 70 years people have been brainwashed and given the history from the perspective of the 6% migrants. Rest of us 94% have been forced to buy into their narrative. But everything in time settles back to natural state. That process has already began. Now this needs to be mainstreamed.

 

[StormBreaker]

Not really Iqbal was a confused soul but a great poet and thinker nonetheless, Jinnah had charisma and was well aware of how British laws worked and used their own laws to fight for all of our rights. When it comes to politics Iqbal was inexperienced and his opinions seem to stem from emotions unlike Jinnah who was a shrewd politician and knew how to get what he wanted. So Qaid is the father of Pakistan and can be compared to Ataturk, both fought battles to save their people, one on the battlefield and the other in the courts.

You have a sensible reply

 

[Sal12]

Who was opposing Pakistan at that time when Jinnah said this?

They mostly belong to scholars of Deoband and their followers.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Rehmat Ali

Dreamed up the name 'PAKSTAN' while living in Cambridge, Britain in 1933. Died and buried in Britain.

Ch Rehmat Ali ke saath Masla yeh tha ke he asked Jinnah that he should had asked for more than what was given. He wanted Quaid to fight for more land which was nit wrong from his side. Quaid himself wanted more atleast but that would had been in vain. We were not to be given more land. Sadly

 

[k s ahmed]

Jinnah left politics in 1929 after congress rejected his proposal for special rights of muslims of india and he came to London in 1929. Muslim League was divided into 2 groups. Then Iqbal came to London around 1932 and he convinced Jinnah to come to London and lead muslims of India. Iqbal could have lead muslims of India himself rather asking Jinnah to do it. Iqbal was not in such a bad health that he couldn't lead muslims.

Jinnah entered politics in 1904 and Jinnah stayed in politics for more 4 decades. Iqbal knew he himself is not able to lead muslims and this has nothing to do with his health.

If there was no jinnah then there was no pakistan. You are too much into Iqbal that you are giving the credit of making pak to Iqbal only because he gave an idea of it. Grow up...Statesman are bigger than poets.

for me. iqbal went to london in 1934 .. i will double check

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

They mostly belong to scholars of Deoband and their followers.

They were divided

 

[PakSword]

They mostly belong to scholars of Deoband and their followers.

But AIML won in those areas too... meaning people understood Jinnah's PoV and voted for AIML.. and rejected scholars of deoband.

 

[Sal12]

Ch Rehmat Ali ke saath Masla yeh tha ke he asked Jinnah that he should had asked for more than what was given. He wanted Quaid to fight for more land which was nit wrong from his side. Quaid himself wanted more atleast but that would had been in vain. We were not to be given more land. Sadly

Ch Rehmat Ali actually wanted 3 muslim countruies in India i.e. One in west (Today's pakistan), one in East and One in central/South India.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

You are too much into Iqbal that you are giving the credit of making pak to Iqbal only because he gave an idea of it. Grow up...Statesman are bigger than poets.

Many ppl who oppose Jinnah and dont give him credit are ethnic racists

 

[k s ahmed]

Jinnah left politics in 1929 after congress rejected his proposal for special rights of muslims of india and he came to London in 1929. Muslim League was divided into 2 groups. Then Iqbal came to London around 1932 and he convinced Jinnah to come to London and lead muslims of India. Iqbal could have lead muslims of India himself rather asking Jinnah to do it. Iqbal was not in such a bad health that he couldn't lead muslims.

Jinnah entered politics in 1904 and Jinnah stayed in politics for more 4 decades. Iqbal knew he himself is not able to lead muslims and this has nothing to do with his health.

If there was no jinnah then there was no pakistan. You are too much into Iqbal that you are giving the credit of making pak to Iqbal only because he gave an idea of it. Grow up...Statesman are bigger than poets.

iqbal is not being given enough credit. i dont understand why jinnah is the founder andwhat he actually did

how come iqbal thought low of himself of not being able to lead? how you have come to this conclusiom?
iqbal had huge following . its a pity that we only know him as one who gave the 2 nationa theory. he did much more than that.. a finisher cant be called a founder

 

[Sal12]

But AIML won in those areas too... meaning people understood Jinnah's PoV and voted for AIML.. and rejected scholars of deoband.

Yes. Correct.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

And why Nehru rejected it. Because both Nehru and Patel knew they will lose whole of Punjab and Bengal in 1956.

Because they were clever. It reminds me of what I was taught in primary school physics class. Matter cannot be made neither can it be destroyed.

The reality was the seeds of Pakistan or Bangladesh existed. That seed was demographics. When you have over 60% demographic majority in such large populations over time nothing can prevent them from settling to their centre of gravity. Balochistan, K-Pk, Western Punjab, Sindh had such massive Muslim majority that they would have gone their way eventually. So would Bangla. Nehru knew that it was better to carve it then under Mountbatten's apologetic purview then accept Cabinet Mission Plan and lose all of Punjab as would have happened. I ony wish Nehru had agreed with Cabinet Mission Plan. Today we would have had a better Pakistan.

Yes.

And tell me when GM Syed pased the resolution for Pakistan making Sind the first brick in that project where did it have a caveat that they were going to accept 10s of millions of migrants from Bihar, Utter Pradesh etc?

 

[Sal12]

iqbal is not being given enough credit. i dont understand why jinnah is the founder andwhat he actually did

how come iqbal thought low of himself of not being able to lead? how you have come to this conclusiom?
iqbal had huge following . its a pity that we only know him as one who gave the 2 nationa theory. he did much more than that.. a finisher cant be called a founder

Iqbal is a Great philiosopher and Poet. Iqbal is actually next to Romi, Sheikh Saadi. Iqbal has his own place. But giving credit of Pakistan to Iqbal is high degree of injustice to both Iqbal and Jinnnah.

 

[k s ahmed]

Iqbal is a Great philiosopher and Poet. Iqbal is actually next to Romi, Sheikh Saadi. Iqbal has his own place. But giving credit of Pakistan to Iqbal is high degree of injustice to both Iqbal and Jinnnah.

i cant agree with you. lets a

 

[Sal12]

Because they were clever. It reminds me of what I was taught in primary school physics class. Matter cannot be made neither can it be destroyed.

The reality was the seeds of Pakistan or Bangladesh existed. That seed was demographics. When you have over 60% demographic majority in such large populations over time nothing can prevent them from settling to their centre of gravity. Balochistan, K-Pk, Western Punjab, Sindh had such massive Muslim majority that they would have gone their way eventually. So would Bangla. Nehru knew that it was better to carve it then under Mountbatten's apologetic purview then accept Cabinet Mission Plan and lose all of Punjab as would have happened. I ony wish Nehru had agreed with Cabinet Mission Plan. Today we would have had a better Pakistan.

And tell me when GM Syed pased the resolution for Pakistan making Sind the first brick in that project where did it have a caveat that they were going to accept 10s of millions of migrants from Bihar, Utter Pradesh etc?

Yes. Nehru and Patel were clever and they rejected the Cabinet Mission Plan and agreed for Pakistan with partition of Punjab and Bengal.

I won't go in detail what happened afterwards and how muslims majority districts were given to India, Redcliff and Kashmir etc.