Is the Beijing Exception (for oppression of Muslims) Finally Crumbling?

[Serious Carrey]

Funny enough, as it is in all court cases, it is the accusers responsibility to provide the evidence, not the responsibility of the defendent. So the rightful question here is that where is your undeniable and undoubful evidence that China is oppresing Muslims.

That article has very specific details, including place names. See if you can call its bluff with specific details.

 

[newb3e]

No, Pakistan won’t speak, it’s been payed to not speak.

cutie are you trained to lie? manipulate? or have problem with reading?

but someone who voted for a mass murdered i think its quite normal!

 

[FalconStar]

That article has very specific details, including place names. See if you can call its bluff with specific details.

They also had very specific locations where Iraq had WMD's placed.
When they checked after attacking Iraq their was a toilet factory on that location.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

So, you believe all the details are concocted?

Yes. *Absolutely*. Unequivocally.

• Hocus pocus - No Saudi $10 billion grant/investment
  
• Hocus pocus - No Russian $10 billion pipe

From another thread. Ummah chummah was hot air. Russkies were drunk. Guess who turns out to have actually put some money down to help Pakistan in the ongoing financial crisis? Yes China to the tune of $2 billion. And done without any fanfare. This is what you call 'ironclad' friendship. There is a saying in English 'don't bite the hand that feeds you'.

Ps. Now what was that you said about Uighurs? Oh yeh did you know Muslims in China enjoy a better living standard then in Pakistan? Have better access to education and health? I won't even bother looking at the state of lynch victims you call Muslims in India. Makes you think right?

Yes. *Absolutely*. Unequivocally.

In fact I am as sure as US sectretary of state Colin Powel was when he announced at the UNO that Iraq had WMD's and chemical weapons on the even of the Iraq invasion. Yeh that sure !

 

[Serious Carrey]

Propaganda. Two sides to a coin.

How can people who have a huge hand in destruction of Muslim-majority countries, and their countries have huge far-right support which propagates hate against Muslims to gain support for anti Immigration policies, suddenly be so concerned about the rights of Muslims in Xinjiang province of China.

People have perhaps forgotten the Abu Ghraib prison scandal in Iraq by USA Army and CIA (note: if you search for detail regarding it, be warned, its extremely graphic and not advisable for someone of a weak heart to view content related to the scandal), if they remembered then they would know they bear absolutely no right to comment on such issues regarding other countries given the atrocities leaked just a little over decade ago. And then we must talk about Syria as well where the USA is arming and funding conservative Rebels openly against the democratic liberal Assad government.

So, why are they doing it? Simple. Propaganda and international points. They don't care if it's true or not, they just want to garner support against what they see as a threat to their status of a Global Power, as well as a threat to their military and political influence in Asia and Middle East.

And what's the best way to do this? Get large sensitive communities on your side whose voice is sharp and loud, resonate it using your own platforms, and thus form a rhetoric that fits your National Interests but is propagated by the international community.

Now whether it is true or not, I am of the opinion that it is not given what I have seen from my own research and what some Chinese posters on this forum have posted. But the USA doesn't care if it's true or not.

Thanks for actually discussing it, instead of one-liner BS

Everybody knows it is all politics. The West doesn't have any special love for Muslims (or for that matter anyone other than themselves). But there was this article "Is China losing the World?" (again, people responded with one-liner BS as usual) in The Diplomat. The author was arguing that if China was giving chances to the West to build a case against it.

 

[Lincoln]

That article has very specific details, including place names. See if you can call its bluff with specific details.

Media also quoted specific locations for weapons of mass destruction back in time, indian media also quoted specific location of surgical strike. Giving details regarding oppression like location and the methodology of oppression don't make the argument any more true and undeniable.

 

[Serious Carrey]

Media also quoted specific locations for weapons of mass destruction back in time, indian media also quoted specific location of surgical strike. Giving details regarding oppression like location and the methodology of oppression don't make the argument any more true and undeniable.

Fair enough

 

[GHALIB]

give chinese muslims right to speak first .

hindus who elected butcher of gujrat responsible for killing rape of hundered of Muslims are crying about Muslims treatement by china! amazing world we live in today!

ps: i am not informed about chinas treatment of Muslims but if its true then Pakistan needs to speak about it!

this is a news published in west media . not in hindu media .

 

[MultaniGuy]

Haha, as if the west gives a damn for Muslims.

The west is just doing propaganda against China.

 

[newb3e]

Haha, as if the west gives a damn for Muslims.

The west is just doing propaganda against China.

but if report is true muslims should give a damn about muslims atleast!!

 

[haidian]

That article has very specific details, including place names. See if you can call its bluff with specific details.

What details? This one? https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/lond...ation-camps-in-xinjiang.578617/#post-10810529

 

[Roybot]

but if report is true muslims should give a damn about muslims atleast!!

Not if there is no geostrategic gains from it. In fact, no Muslim country, especially financially weak ones (such as Pakistan and Turkey) would dare to rub China the wrong way. Earlier, Turkey used to show some courage and express its concern about East Turkestanis, but given the recent economic turmoil in Turkey, that has been stifled as well.

Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries being American allies, would prefer if China kept mistreating Uyghurs and other muslims in China, as it gives the Americans another issue to corner the Chinese.

Iran, well had the Uyghur been Shia, Iran just might have raised its voice. But then again given the sanctions and isolation Iran is facing, that wouldn't have happened either.

Tl;dr there is no Islamic ummah, there never was one. Islamic countries have been using this Islamic brotherhood nonsense for geostrategic gains. Thanks to China and its economic clout, this hypocrisy is now exposed and for everyone to see.

 

[haidian]

Not if there is no geostrategic gains from it. In fact, no Muslim country, especially financially weak ones (such as Pakistan and Turkey) would dare to rub China the wrong way. Earlier, Turkey used to show some courage and express its concern about East Turkestanis, but given the recent economic turmoil in Turkey, that has been stifled as well.

Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries being American allies, would prefer if China kept mistreating Uyghurs and other muslims in China, as it gives the Americans another issue to corner the Chinese.

Iran, well had the Uyghur been Shia, Iran just might have raised its voice. But then again given the sanctions and isolation Iran is facing, that wouldn't have happened either.

Tl;dr there is no Islamic ummah, there never was one. Islamic countries have been using this Islamic brotherhood nonsense for geostrategic gains. Thanks to China and its economic clout, this hypocrisy is now exposed and for everyone to see.

Because those Muslim governments all know it is just China bashing propaganda campaign launched by US, they are not stupid to fall for it. Why US never launched any campaigns for Muslims against Isael?

 

[LASER1]

Because those Muslim governments all know it is just China bashing propaganda campaign launched by US, they are not stupid to fall for it. Why US never launched any campaigns for Muslims against Isael?

Because Israel is their ally and Palestine is not. Same way, Saudi's are their allies, so Saudi's have no problem with US support for Israel. Do you get the point?

The US didn't launch it, they just joined the bandwagon after seeing an opportunity. If they milk it, we'll see how this goes. Interesting times ahead. It was the Turks who started it, when they had time and money. Now, not so much.

 

[Mamluk]

I thought there has always been something called Delhi Exception. The international community has turned a blind eye towards the killing and raping of Kashmiri people.