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Is semiconductor manufacturing in India an unworkable project?

Samiksha Goel, DHNS, JUL 20 2020, 07:16 IST UPDATED: JUL 20 2020, 10:15 IST

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The Minister of Commerce and Industry Piyush Goyal had recently asked Indian industry to set up a semiconductor fabrication plant in India, but experts in the sector seem unsure if it’s a pragmatic proposition as the risks are too high and the investment required is too huge.

This comes as a strategic call in the wake of India-China standoff as the government considers the establishment of such facilities as being integral to the development of the electronics industry.

This is not the first time there has been an attempt to set up a semiconductor fab in the country. India has been trying to get a private semiconductor fab since 2006, but all the previous efforts have failed.

Semiconductor manufacturing comprises the front-end fab manufacturing and the back-end assembly, including packaging and testing. There are only a handful of companies globally that do front-end manufacturing at scale.

India has done well in design and verification for the semiconductor industry, with most of the global semiconductor companies having an R&D footprint in India, but 100% of our chips, memory and display are imported into the country. Just on semiconductor chips alone, we are probably looking at around $10-12 billion of imports this year at a minimum.

PVG Menon, President & CEO, VANN Consulting Pvt. Ltd. and former President, India Electronics & Semiconductor Association (IESA) says, “The past track record of the government does not inspire any confidence that the private sector partner will be treated well. When one or two attempts fail, one can blame the private sector, but when successive attempts fail, one has to start critically examining government policy.”

Menon says that the government support to the private sector players is crucial to set up high technology manufacturing like fabs, as has been the case in some countries like the USA, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan and China.

“In India, the govt has tended to view each private sector proposal with extreme suspicion. If the govt constantly wants to play the role of a suspicious policeman, rather than the role of a facilitator, then I am afraid we are very far away from setting up National Technology Infrastructure Assets with the help of the private sector,” he says.

India has two fabs — SITAR, a unit of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) in Bengaluru and a semiconductor laboratory in Chandigarh, which build silicon chips for strategic purposes like defence and space and not for commercial use.

Semiconductor fabs have investment starting around $8 billion, and the numbers climb rapidly upwards. They have very heavy running costs, and technology needs to be upgraded typically every 3-4 years, say industry watchers.

Menon says an extremely aggressive and consistent fiscal support package will have to be made available to develop the semiconductor manufacturing ecosystem. “Past history cannot be wished away and I would say that the industry will wait to see the details before they put money on the table.”

Venkata Simhadri, CEO, Moschip says the government needs to understand what the country needs and the type of semiconductor fabs they are talking about.

“Having a land bank is the least important requirement for setting up a fab. It costs billions of dollars to set up a cutting edge CMOS fab and there are only 2-3 companies in the world having that technology and there is no strong motivation or reason for them to set up their fabs in India. In addition, they can’t just rely only on the local market to fill up the capacity in the fab,” he explains.

Simhadri says the the government should Instead focus on developing the fabless semiconductor eco-system in India. “For example, the leading semiconductor companies like Qualcomm, Broadcom and Meditek don’t have their own fabs. India can focus on creating similar companies to develop products focused on Indian market.”

“Government shall come up with a ‘Fabless semiconductor policy’ and a “dedicated fund” to support this initiative. The growing demand for semiconductor components in IOT devices, solar equipment and electric vehicles does not need cutting edge CMOS fabs. Specialty fabs like Gallium Nitride and Silicon Carbide may have enough demand locally and cost much less to set up. In the short term, India should focus on these specialty fabs and come up with a clear support plan,” he adds saying it’s not just about providing land bank.

The Indian semiconductor component market is expected to be worth $32.35 billion by 2025, growing at a CAGR of 10.1% between 2018 and 2025, according to IESA.

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@Joe Shearer @xeuss - Similar to what we were discussing day before yesterday.
 
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Where are current Indian chip manufacturers anyway, these SITAR folk and the other one ? Where is their process at ?

Someone mentioned in another thread that the Russians manufacture 24 - 48 nm chips for strategic purposes.

I'm on a computer running a fabbed in Taiwan 7nm consumer grade AMD chip here.
 
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Where are current Indian chip manufacturers anyway, these SITAR folk and the other one ? Where is their process at ?

I have to do some digging about SITAR but about SCL, they do 180 nm according to this page, though it is not specified which chip(s) they manufacture. There is one processor called ANUPAMA though I don't know about its current status.

Someone mentioned in another thread that the Russians manufacture 24 - 48 nm chips for strategic purposes.

Maybe that person was talking about MCST ( Moscow Center for SPARC Technology ) which initially used SPARC architecture but I think lately has its own ISA. They have a processor line called Elbrus.

I'm on a computer running a fabbed in Taiwan 7nm consumer grade AMD chip here.

I believe Intel also has 7 nm process.

And below is from this PDF thread from earlier this year :
SMIC and Tsinghua Unigroup are fabricating at 14 nm and moving to 7 nm.
 
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I believe Intel also has 7 nm processor.
Not yet!

I doubt that a private player will make such huge investment without Govt. providing decades or tax benefits along with special preference and deal signed in blood.
 
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Not yet!

I doubt that a private player will make such huge investment without Govt. providing decades or tax benefits along with special preference and deal signed in blood.

But @dharmi speaks of 7 nm process at AMD which company is I believe at a secondary position compared to Intel.
 
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Is semiconductor manufacturing in India an unworkable project?

Samiksha Goel, DHNS, JUL 20 2020, 07:16 IST UPDATED: JUL 20 2020, 10:15 IST

file6w9no2fmi1s141io0o82-1595220324.jpg

Representative Image

The Minister of Commerce and Industry Piyush Goyal had recently asked Indian industry to set up a semiconductor fabrication plant in India, but experts in the sector seem unsure if it’s a pragmatic proposition as the risks are too high and the investment required is too huge.

This comes as a strategic call in the wake of India-China standoff as the government considers the establishment of such facilities as being integral to the development of the electronics industry.

This is not the first time there has been an attempt to set up a semiconductor fab in the country. India has been trying to get a private semiconductor fab since 2006, but all the previous efforts have failed.

Semiconductor manufacturing comprises the front-end fab manufacturing and the back-end assembly, including packaging and testing. There are only a handful of companies globally that do front-end manufacturing at scale.

India has done well in design and verification for the semiconductor industry, with most of the global semiconductor companies having an R&D footprint in India, but 100% of our chips, memory and display are imported into the country. Just on semiconductor chips alone, we are probably looking at around $10-12 billion of imports this year at a minimum.

PVG Menon, President & CEO, VANN Consulting Pvt. Ltd. and former President, India Electronics & Semiconductor Association (IESA) says, “The past track record of the government does not inspire any confidence that the private sector partner will be treated well. When one or two attempts fail, one can blame the private sector, but when successive attempts fail, one has to start critically examining government policy.”

Menon says that the government support to the private sector players is crucial to set up high technology manufacturing like fabs, as has been the case in some countries like the USA, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan and China.

“In India, the govt has tended to view each private sector proposal with extreme suspicion. If the govt constantly wants to play the role of a suspicious policeman, rather than the role of a facilitator, then I am afraid we are very far away from setting up National Technology Infrastructure Assets with the help of the private sector,” he says.

India has two fabs — SITAR, a unit of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) in Bengaluru and a semiconductor laboratory in Chandigarh, which build silicon chips for strategic purposes like defence and space and not for commercial use.

Semiconductor fabs have investment starting around $8 billion, and the numbers climb rapidly upwards. They have very heavy running costs, and technology needs to be upgraded typically every 3-4 years, say industry watchers.

Menon says an extremely aggressive and consistent fiscal support package will have to be made available to develop the semiconductor manufacturing ecosystem. “Past history cannot be wished away and I would say that the industry will wait to see the details before they put money on the table.”

Venkata Simhadri, CEO, Moschip says the government needs to understand what the country needs and the type of semiconductor fabs they are talking about.

“Having a land bank is the least important requirement for setting up a fab. It costs billions of dollars to set up a cutting edge CMOS fab and there are only 2-3 companies in the world having that technology and there is no strong motivation or reason for them to set up their fabs in India. In addition, they can’t just rely only on the local market to fill up the capacity in the fab,” he explains.

Simhadri says the the government should Instead focus on developing the fabless semiconductor eco-system in India. “For example, the leading semiconductor companies like Qualcomm, Broadcom and Meditek don’t have their own fabs. India can focus on creating similar companies to develop products focused on Indian market.”

“Government shall come up with a ‘Fabless semiconductor policy’ and a “dedicated fund” to support this initiative. The growing demand for semiconductor components in IOT devices, solar equipment and electric vehicles does not need cutting edge CMOS fabs. Specialty fabs like Gallium Nitride and Silicon Carbide may have enough demand locally and cost much less to set up. In the short term, India should focus on these specialty fabs and come up with a clear support plan,” he adds saying it’s not just about providing land bank.

The Indian semiconductor component market is expected to be worth $32.35 billion by 2025, growing at a CAGR of 10.1% between 2018 and 2025, according to IESA.

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@Joe Shearer @xeuss - Similar to what we were discussing day before yesterday.
Rather then tot, hire guys from abroad. And get the work done. India has huge resources.
 
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But @dharmi speaks of 7 nm process at AMD which company is I believe at a secondary position compared to Intel.
AMD/ TSMC are bit ahead of intel.

Rather then tot, hire guys from abroad. And get the work done. India has huge resources.
Some one has to invest and take risk, hiring resources is/ should be least of worry.
 
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I didn't understand. Hire guys for what ?
Design and Setting up the correct and viable production line. You were talking about Fab, no?

AMD/ TSMC are bit ahead of intel.


Some one has to invest and take risk, hiring resources is/ should be least of worry.
But see, private sector can do that. But they will not do it, cus profit margins might be very low.
If Indian govt is sincere then make policies, and let the private sector do its work.
 
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If due to any reason (policy failure/ private sector feasibility) this sector could not be developed in last 15 years, I guess the best course of action is to set up a public sector to deal with it. We have seen in the past, in some sectors like Oil & Gas, Power, Banks, Mining, defence etc. public sector did wonders initially to push the new sector forward and then Private sectors comes in involuntarily afterwards.
 
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Design and Setting up the correct and viable production line. You were talking about Fab, no?


But see, private sector can do that. But they will not do it, cus profit margins might be very low.
If Indian govt is sincere then make policies, and let the private sector do its work.

It's cyclic business with over capacity in mkt. no one with sane mind will put money in India or any other developing country with every changing Govt policies.
 
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It's cyclic business with over capacity in mkt. no one with sane mind will put money in India or any other developing country with every changing Govt policies.
Yes. Policy is also a problem in Pakistan.
 
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Design and Setting up the correct and viable production line. You were talking about Fab, no?

Well, hiring guys from abroad compared to ToT comes down to the same thing in the end. When the Government of India floated the "India Microprocessor Program" about ten years ago, the recent seven or so years saw two private groups claiming to set up a fab. These two groups were HSMC and Jaypee both of which had MoUs with foreign companies like STMicroelectronics and Towerjazz to advise and actually build the fab. As of now, both HSMC and Jaypee have withdrawn their bids.
 
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Well, hiring guys from abroad compared to ToT comes down to the same thing in the end. When the Government of India floated the "India Microprocessor Program" about ten years ago, the recent seven or so years saw two private groups claiming to set up a fab. These two groups were HSMC and Jaypee both of which had MoUs with foreign companies like STMicroelectronics and Towerjazz to advise and actually build the fab. As of now, both HSMC and Jaypee have withdrawn their bids.
But brought India in advance processor developing league. Now Indians are developing advance processors with IBM.
 
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