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Is Pakistan’s 'War on Terror' Out of Time?

Pakistan will never do that . and will alwasy support freedom fighters that are fighting in foreign occupation of kashmir .. we respect Freedom fighters and will keep funding them .... There are not Terrorist to us ..
As to TTP .. they are Funded by Ajit Doval as he has already confessed ... so what is this fuzz all about .. stop funding the Terrorists .. India is involved in it . and John Kerry has already given evidence to Modi .
Doval came to power this year and he was funding TTP with his salary right :partay:

Pakistan will never do that . and will alwasy support freedom fighters that are fighting in foreign occupation of kashmir .. we respect Freedom fighters and will keep funding them .... There are not Terrorist to us ..
As to TTP .. they are Funded by Ajit Doval as he has already confessed ... so what is this fuzz all about .. stop funding the Terrorists .. India is involved in it . and John Kerry has already given evidence to Modi .
Supporting any form of terrorism is banned in pdf
@WebMaster plz delete the post
Kashmiri terrorists are no different from Taliban :butcher:

Is Pakistan’s ‘War on Terror’ Out of Time? | The Diplomat

With Washington’s patience and money fading, is time running out for Pakistan’s offensive against domestic terrorism?

By Jack Detsch
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Barely a month after Secretary of State John Kerry paid a surprise visit to Islamabad to parley with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, floating promises of emergency aid to fight militants, Congress has put its gripes with America’s fickle counterterrorism partner in ink. On February 12, the leaders of the U.S. House Committee on Foreign Affairs, California Republican Ed Royce and New York Democrat Eliot Engel, wrote a letter to Kerry, urging the State Department to consider travel bans, suspending assistance, and imposing sanctions on corrupt officials until Islamabad can regain the initiative against the Pakistani Taliban, Lashkar-e-Taiba, and the Haqqani network. “We appreciate that you and other senior-level Administration officials regularly raised the need to confront these groups with Pakistani officials,” Royce and Engel wrote, referencing Kerry’s January trip. “Yet it does not appear that this engagement has resulted in any real change in Pakistan’s policies.”

Royce and Engel’s concerns stemmed from Pakistan’s muted response to a Taliban attack on a school in Peshawar last December, which left almost 150 people dead. But just hours after Kerry received the note, events in Pakistan continued to inflame that argument. On February 13, three Taliban assailants hurled grenades, exchanged gunfire with police, and detonated a suicide vest at a Shia mosque in Peshawar, leaving 20 dead. The fundamentalists continued their attacks on February 17, when a suicide bomber blew himself up in a crowd of people in Lahore, killing five and injuring dozens more.

Those attacks come at a critical time in Pakistan’s fight against the militants. Since June, Islamabad has ramped up operations against Taliban enclaves in North Waziristan, a mountainous slice of the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) where Sharif’s government exercises little formal control. Though the effort, dubbed Zarb-e-Azb, has been wracked with false starts and casualties, in welcoming Pakistan’s Interior Minister Ali Khan to Washington on Thursday, Kerry offered praise for the campaign. “They are committed to going after terrorists, all forms of extremism in Pakistan,” Kerry said. “And they are making good on that in their initiatives in the western part of the country and elsewhere, and in their cooperation on counterterrorism.”

But aside from the rhetoric, which has remained strikingly similar for the past eight years, what is Pakistan doing to fight the insurgency in concrete terms? Pakistan claims it has killed more than 2,000 militants since the offensive began in June, sustaining just 129 casualties of its own. Operations in North Waziristan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa have pushed militants from Al Qaeda, the Islamic State, and the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan over the border into Afghanistan, where they’ve struggled to gain a foothold, clashing with Pashto-speaking tribes in their attempts to force civilians out of their homes.

Meanwhile, Pakistan’s military has gotten more adept at fighting insurgents from above: bombings in the Datta Khel area destroyed a terrorist hideout in January, killing 35 insurgents. Those efforts have been abetted by strikes from American predator drones, which have already claimed the lives of 27 militants this year. Islamabad continues to disavow that support, but seems to understand the gravity of the stakes in North Waziristan: the Zarb-e-Azb offensive has been bolstered by a surge of 170,000 troops on the Afghan border, almost a third of Pakistan’s entire military. Islamabad’s tussle with militants has claimed the lives of over 4,400 troops since 2002, nearly twice the number of American casualties in Afghanistan. While doubts about Pakistan’s commitment to the fight remain, there’s no underestimating Islamabad’s war weariness.

That fatigue won’t subside any time soon. Even if Pakistan can manage to get the insurgency under control, it could very easily regroup in Afghanistan or elsewhere. Eastern pressure from India, Pakistan’s military arch-rival, provides a constant distraction from the Western front, despite the resurgence of shuttle diplomacy surrounding the 2015 Cricket World Cup.

But if Pakistan wants help from the U.S. or anyone else in fighting the scourge of terror, they would do well to hurry up. Congress isn’t the only place where patience is waning: aid from the Kerry-Lugar-Berman act, Washington’s cash pipeline to Islamabad for counterterrorism operations, has dried up. Kerry promised another $250 million in January, far short of what’s needed to sustain a full-throated counterinsurgency operation. With President Obama increasingly looking towards Delhi as his chief partner in South Asia, Islamabad may be running out of time to take the fight to Islamic militants.

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The aid will never stop and I can say the same about terrorism as well
Pakistan differentiates between the good terrorists and bad terrorists and it won't take long for the good ones to strike their masters

Let's see how things turn up :pop:
I hope both the good and the bad ones are eliminated :crazy_pilot:
 
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Yep but US doesn't scare man, the only super power in the earth, china is extremely over hyped country specially in asia :P

Look at the effect a bunch of separatists had in Ukraine on the United States. The words of a crackpot in Iran was enough for the US to launch a barrage of sanctions. To say that the United States isn't worried about Chinese influence is foolish.

And as far as tagging members is concerned I have only tagged those whom I know :-) or may be I have missed a few members but at last I have mentioned them with all friends

Don't tag anyone in then if the whole thing will turn out to be a one-sided circlejerk.

Supporting any form of terrorism is banned in pdf

Yet Indians can openly cheer Indian activities in Kashmir.
 
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Look at the effect a bunch of separatists had in Ukraine on the United States. The words of a crackpot in Iran was enough for the US to launch a barrage of sanctions. To say that the United States isn't worried about Chinese influence is foolish.



Don't tag anyone in then if the whole thing will turn out to be a one-sided circlejerk.



Yet Indians can openly cheer Indian activities in Kashmir.
What activities??? o_O
 
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Actually Ajit Doval is a seasoned intelligence officer & he isn't that stupid to say anything like that openly.Actually Pakistan has no proof to show Indian support for various insurgent groups in Baluchistan. If your government had any , they would have already taken it up at an international level.
why did you changed your pic it is harder to recognize you ??? and previous one was much better
 
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It's not about patience or money, its about tangible results.

  1. Are attacks against American troops and their allies in Afghanistan, organized from Pakistani soil decreasing? Remaining the same or non constructively increasing?
  2. Are terrorist leaders operating from Pakistan put on the run by Pakistani Military and Intelligence?
  3. Are individuals in Pakistan who are promoting 'Jihadi' propaganda being held accountable?
Few areas are left to be cleared in North Waziristan,so i wouldn't say the attacks are planned on Pakistani soil.Terrorist leadership has fled the area a long time ago into Afghanistan.To some extent they are being held accountable,depends really.
 
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No one cares what the US says or thinks in Pakistan.

Firstly, Pakistan will fight its own war on its own terms. Secondly, the people of Pakistan reject US aid and meddling. Enough said.
 
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Pakistan shouldn't accept any US aid. We must fight this war with our own resources. Only that alone will allow us to do it as per our own interests instead of doing American bidding. We've lost too much in America's imperial proxy wars in our region, its time to kiss them goodbye.

So why don't your Pak Army reject US aid? After all they are the ones running foreign policy now. It seems to me that they love it more than anyone else.
 
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I really want to know this-
Pakistan support a Free kashmir as a nation or As a part of Pakistan??[/b]
bit of both I think
depending on what the people of the state want .. Independent or part of Pakistan based on their population as was the partition formula.
I guess a free/ independent buffer state might be a better middle ground much like Hong Kong.. becoming an economic and social hub instead of being a bone on contention.

there is a sizeable portion of Kashmiris in the Azad Kashmir (or Azad Kashmir as you put it) who want independent Kashmir.

So why don't your Pak Army reject US aid? After all they are the ones running foreign policy now. It seems to me that they love it more than anyone else.
why should we?
it has psychological effect and financial effect which is favourable for us

psychological effect on Indians
the aid burns the Indian balls who cant help to moan and bitch about it on line and offline

financial effect
we get to employ more resources on counter insurgencies and rehabilitation of the people affected in the operational areas

in the end, its American money and its their decision if they want to assist us or keep it for themselves but why say no when they want to keep giving it? like I said. the least it does is causes some butt hurt to you or your fellow Indian trolls? hmmmm?
 
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why should we?
it has psychological effect and financial effect which is favourable for us

psychological effect on Indians
the aid burns the Indian balls who cant help to moan and bitch about it on line and offline

financial effect
we get to employ more resources on counter insurgencies and rehabilitation of the people affected in the operational areas

in the end, its American money and its their decision if they want to assist us or keep it for themselves but why say no when they want to keep giving it? like I said. the least it does is causes some butt hurt to you or your fellow Indian trolls? hmmmm?

Firstly, you are putting too much emphasis on "psychological effect". You might begrudge a beggar for getting free money but when you sit back and think about it you realize that he is still a beggar.

Secondly, I was replying to a post that calls for rejection of US aid.
 
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bit of both I think
depending on what the people of the state want .. Independent or part of Pakistan based on their population as was the partition formula.
I guess a free/ independent buffer state might be a better middle ground much like Hong Kong.. becoming an economic and social hub instead of being a bone on contention.

there is a sizeable portion of Kashmiris in the Azad Kashmir (or Azad Kashmir as you put it) who want independent Kashmir.
Will they survive as a Nation?
And If pakistan wants kashmir as a free Nation, why does pakistan not hold a plebiscite in P0K?
And why Your nation call them "azad" I don't think they are azad, or is it just a propaganda word :P
Now I know sir, you will throw a hard question at me.
So for all of questions, there is only 1 answer that I can give you, kashmiri peoples may not belong to India except kashmiri pandits but the Whole kashmiri land belong to India.
And this is GoI official line-
Kashmir is an Integral Part of India.
 
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Will they survive as a Nation?
And If pakistan wants kashmir as a free Nation, why does pakistan not hold a plebiscite in P0K?
And why Your nation call them "azad" I don't think they are azad, or is it just a propaganda word :P
Now I know sir, you will throw a hard question at me.
So for all of questions, there is only 1 answer that I can give you, kashmiri peoples may not belong to India except kashmiri pandits but the Whole kashmiri land belong to India.
And this is GoI official line-
Kashmir is an Integral Part of India.
A1: dont know, maybe they will, maybe not if both India and Pakistan are hostile to them. then agian if Nepal can theen so can they

A2: Valid question. and a good argument. but has a little flaw in the wording. (its not what Pakistan want) but what Kashmiris on Pakistani side of LoC want. yes, if they demand it, Pakistan cant object.

A3: again a valid question and opinion (that they are not azad). we (they) call them Azad maybe for propaganda value or self praise or to strengthen their/ our stance.

A4: No, you think wrong, why should I throw a hard question to you as a response to a question? (retards on both sides of the border do that).

response to your answer: thanks for your comments. and you actually confirm what the Kashmiris blame India that its just after the land and doesn't care about the people which is against the Human rights and spirit of UN charter (or whatever uncle SAM has left of it).

response to your last comment:
yes, thanks for stating the obvious. Indian official line should be in line with its occupation of the state in physical sense.


you mentioned a gem here but missed it out dear.
Kashmiri Pundits.
they belong to Kashmir and own Kashmir as much as Gilani, Vanis, Daar and khawajas of Kashmir do and their opinion counts in the face of a hostile angry Muslim majority in Kashmir as much as the the voice of weak kashmri voice counts in the face of entire Indian state.


many thanks for a good post, off topic took us off tangent but anyway.. at least its not bitching and moaning.
 
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Is Pakistan’s ‘War on Terror’ Out of Time? | The Diplomat

With Washington’s patience and money fading, is time running out for Pakistan’s offensive against domestic terrorism?

By Jack Detsch
thediplomat_2014-11-21_15-34-53-386x256.jpg


Barely a month after Secretary of State John Kerry paid a surprise visit to Islamabad to parley with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, floating promises of emergency aid to fight militants, Congress has put its gripes with America’s fickle counterterrorism partner in ink. On February 12, the leaders of the U.S. House Committee on Foreign Affairs, California Republican Ed Royce and New York Democrat Eliot Engel, wrote a letter to Kerry, urging the State Department to consider travel bans, suspending assistance, and imposing sanctions on corrupt officials until Islamabad can regain the initiative against the Pakistani Taliban, Lashkar-e-Taiba, and the Haqqani network. “We appreciate that you and other senior-level Administration officials regularly raised the need to confront these groups with Pakistani officials,” Royce and Engel wrote, referencing Kerry’s January trip. “Yet it does not appear that this engagement has resulted in any real change in Pakistan’s policies.”

Royce and Engel’s concerns stemmed from Pakistan’s muted response to a Taliban attack on a school in Peshawar last December, which left almost 150 people dead. But just hours after Kerry received the note, events in Pakistan continued to inflame that argument. On February 13, three Taliban assailants hurled grenades, exchanged gunfire with police, and detonated a suicide vest at a Shia mosque in Peshawar, leaving 20 dead. The fundamentalists continued their attacks on February 17, when a suicide bomber blew himself up in a crowd of people in Lahore, killing five and injuring dozens more.

Those attacks come at a critical time in Pakistan’s fight against the militants. Since June, Islamabad has ramped up operations against Taliban enclaves in North Waziristan, a mountainous slice of the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) where Sharif’s government exercises little formal control. Though the effort, dubbed Zarb-e-Azb, has been wracked with false starts and casualties, in welcoming Pakistan’s Interior Minister Ali Khan to Washington on Thursday, Kerry offered praise for the campaign. “They are committed to going after terrorists, all forms of extremism in Pakistan,” Kerry said. “And they are making good on that in their initiatives in the western part of the country and elsewhere, and in their cooperation on counterterrorism.”

But aside from the rhetoric, which has remained strikingly similar for the past eight years, what is Pakistan doing to fight the insurgency in concrete terms? Pakistan claims it has killed more than 2,000 militants since the offensive began in June, sustaining just 129 casualties of its own. Operations in North Waziristan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa have pushed militants from Al Qaeda, the Islamic State, and the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan over the border into Afghanistan, where they’ve struggled to gain a foothold, clashing with Pashto-speaking tribes in their attempts to force civilians out of their homes.

Meanwhile, Pakistan’s military has gotten more adept at fighting insurgents from above: bombings in the Datta Khel area destroyed a terrorist hideout in January, killing 35 insurgents. Those efforts have been abetted by strikes from American predator drones, which have already claimed the lives of 27 militants this year. Islamabad continues to disavow that support, but seems to understand the gravity of the stakes in North Waziristan: the Zarb-e-Azb offensive has been bolstered by a surge of 170,000 troops on the Afghan border, almost a third of Pakistan’s entire military. Islamabad’s tussle with militants has claimed the lives of over 4,400 troops since 2002, nearly twice the number of American casualties in Afghanistan. While doubts about Pakistan’s commitment to the fight remain, there’s no underestimating Islamabad’s war weariness.

That fatigue won’t subside any time soon. Even if Pakistan can manage to get the insurgency under control, it could very easily regroup in Afghanistan or elsewhere. Eastern pressure from India, Pakistan’s military arch-rival, provides a constant distraction from the Western front, despite the resurgence of shuttle diplomacy surrounding the 2015 Cricket World Cup.

But if Pakistan wants help from the U.S. or anyone else in fighting the scourge of terror, they would do well to hurry up. Congress isn’t the only place where patience is waning: aid from the Kerry-Lugar-Berman act, Washington’s cash pipeline to Islamabad for counterterrorism operations, has dried up. Kerry promised another $250 million in January, far short of what’s needed to sustain a full-throated counterinsurgency operation. With President Obama increasingly looking towards Delhi as his chief partner in South Asia, Islamabad may be running out of time to take the fight to Islamic militants.

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Thanks For Tagging Mam.....:-).....ON TOPIC.....:offtopic:.....Pakistan one day surely will be free of terrorists.. The work will progress stepwise ...I don't know more on this topic and hence i can't speak more on this topic but antisocial elements are everywhere whether it be Pakistan or India and all countries should cooperate and must take better steps to counter them.....Rest all will be ok.......:-)
 
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you actually confirm what the Kashmiris blame India that its just after the land and doesn't care about the people which is against the Human rights and spirit of UN charter (or whatever uncle SAM has left of it).
Uh, you misinterpreted my point, I said people MAY not be Indian because of There Jihadi thoughts and invaders!
You know sir that many kashmiri pundits were forced to leave the land by these invaders. :-)
overall I am really happy that in pakistan people like you are still there and as long as Good and sensible peoples live in pakistan, I will keep thinking that at the end of the day, we all will be friends :-)
 
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