To be on offensive in urban warfare is like committing sucide.
You can try it at your home or prepare a stage and take some paint ball guns and in offensive mode you are certain to get hit and in defensive you are surely to come out as winner.
This gorilla/urban warfare is not a wining proposal for any army of the world. In real life Ramboo can not survive more than few minutes.
We have to lure terrorists in to open areas and than sarround them and wait until they are done with their ammunition. Its a game of patience.
Our enemy is intelligent and is playing war on our land and if we need to win it we need to take this war to their land other wise we are certain to lose.
Dear BATMAN;sir
what ever you had written in your post, are in fact realities, but what is this thread about?
its about, the trainig and awerness of counter- ambushes and surprized attacks, which pak army is facing these days, what ever the circumstances are, our troops need special training for these ambushes.
its cant be, taken seriously that regular troops can win gorilla/urban warfare , but they can sustain the situation at least?
the gorilla/urban warfare theory, was only can sucssed with efficiant support from some where!
here is an example,
Russia Chechnya Conflict
Russia has always said that its military campaign in Chechnya is part of what Moscow calls "an anti-terrorist operation", and that peaceful Chechen civilians have nothing to fear. The Chechen rebels on the contrary call their struggle as a "war of liberation". They say that Chechnya has never voluntarily joined Russia and has only ever been conquered by military force.
The first bloody battle of Russia:
Right from history there have been crisis going on between Russia and Chechnya. Russia wants Chechnya to be its integral part, but people of Chechnya oppose it. The conflict over the region now known as Chechnya is since the mid-18th century.
The earliest record of fight between czarist Russian forces and Muslim tribes in the region is in the year 1722. Russian troops conquered much of the area by mid century. During the same period, Sheikh Mansur, a Muslim cleric, gathered the Chechen tribes and started revolt against the czar and his army, gave a shock to Russian forces in 1785 by defeating them. Mansur is considered as an idol even today and an inspiration to all the Chechnya’s people to maintain on their stand.
Russia attack:
The rising tension between the two eventually resulted in war in 1994, which was proved to be the badly organized mission by Russian troops. Chechnya's president Dzhokhar Dudayev during that period refused to compromise on the Kremlin line. This made Russian troops; felt that the part of their land was invaded which made them more furious.
Initially Moscow tried the tactics of getting the support of local people by providing them funds to invoke people of Chechnya against their President Dudayev. They also gathered the support of some of the forces, which helped Russian to set a secret attack on Grozny on 26 November 1994. Lack of proper planning for the attack made Russians to pay badly for it. The Chechen forces managed to face the sudden attack with courage and forced the Russian forces to retreat the attack. The Chechens captured around 20 Russian troops.
On 29 November, President Boris Yeltsin gave warning to Chechnya to disarm and surrender. The victory of the Chechens over Russian forces boosted them to oppose Russia’s ultimatum and denied to accept it. Russian forces then attacked on December first with massive aerial bombardments. The civilians were also targeted. This hardly proved any harm to Chechens who took the underground shelter.
On 11 December 1994, President Yeltsin increased the intensity of campaign and sent in the thousands of troops. Mean while President Dudayev declared war and forecasted that Russia would meet fierce resistance. Chechen Foreign Minister Shamsedin Yusef made a bold statement that they cannot kill every Chechen, there are one million of us and every one of us will fight.
Just after two days Russian forces entered Chechnya there was a battle with explosions all over the places. Chechens had limited supply of artillery and weapons so they decided to make the attack that would prove more effective. Armed with rocket-propelled grenade launchers they operated in small guerrilla units. They made for their lack in power and training by improvisation. They moved entire villages to prevent the passage of tanks.
Both the sides were exhausted and situation aroused such that both felt they should opt for peace talks. But none came forward with the peace proposal. The Russian military made heavy bombardments and hundreds of tanks entered the capital Gronzy. This massive onslaught against the capital began on New Year's Eve 1994.
Guerilla technique: This did not deter Chechen. They again used their tactic, which went quite successfully for them. Small groups were formed and they attacked the leading tanks, which passed through narrow passages with grenades. This caused obstruction for the following tanks, which made those Russian soldiers easy victims of Chechen forces.
Chechnya was probably not granted independence for geopolitical and economic reasons. For example:
Russia never accepted Chechnya as a separate republic and was determined not to encourage other areas to secede (perhaps similar to how many have pointed out that western imperial countries were trying hard to prevent “their” colonies from breaking free in the aftermath of the Second World War);
The resulting anarchy in Chechnya strengthened Russian belief that the region should not become independent and undermine its territorial integrity;
Furthermore, oil is a significant factor in this region.
A major oil pipeline carries oil from fields in Baku on the Caspian Sea and Chechnya toward the Ukraine;
Grozny's major oil refinery along this pipeline and Russia's interest to ensure their oil needs are also met has led them to be more concerned that pipeline discussions by major western oil companies have not involved them;
As long as Chechnya is a part of Russia, Moscow would have a say in the oil flowing through it.
Chechnya was been a great battle ground of the modren day gorilla/urban warfare , but after a long hard, rough fight, russia made safficiant succses, by forcing Chechniyan gorilla's to a truce(cease fire), with some agreement on some independence of Chechniyan people, but russia was the succsesfull & victorious by keeping Chechnya , under mosscow's rule!
how it was done?
why Chechniyan gorilla's accepted the ceasr fire?
in the begening russia, tried with its armmoured units, to attack Chechniyan gorilla's but, it was quickly become unsuccsess full against a enemy which was hiding in the tops of the mountains, Chechniyan gorilla's never tried to put up positions against mighty russians, so there was no targets to russians tanks, and russia suffered heavy losses due to thier tanks attacks strategy against Chechniyan gorilla's .
for Chechniyan gorilla's , it was to attack the enemy because of there heavy stuff but ,in the end they lost because they cant get any of support from any where.
durring the last months of the conflict , russia adopted a new strategy!
by training thier regular troops for ambushes & surprized attacks, by doing that , russia got back in the lost war.
it was said that, to protect a formation of troops , russia made its special forces secure regular troops , & by doing that they made, the numbers of succsess full ambushes fall down, for Chechniyan gorilla's it was the basic way to succsess, so by cutting thier basic strategic, russia strongly came back in the lost war.
Chechniyan gorilla's cant stand long enough, against mighty russians because they started protection process+training, of thier regular troops, as no support from anywhere for Chechniyan gorilla's,stongly sarrounded by russian army, had no choice left other than to accept a deal, with some independence.
DOES our high command is thinking for some kind of "special traininng + special tactics"?
