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Is Mosul heading for a last 'apocalyptic' IS stand?

Whatever else the battle for Mosul may involve, it will not be the element of surprise.

The operation to drive so-called Islamic State (IS) from Iraq's second-largest city has been long promised and much delayed.


The latest indications are it could begin next month, more than two years after IS took Mosul and proclaimed its caliphate.

The northern city is now the last bastion of IS in Iraq. The authorities in Baghdad say the liberation of Mosul will spell the end of IS on Iraqi soil.

Some predict the likely power-struggle afterwards could spell the end for Iraq, in its current form.


For the Peshmerga (whose name means "Those who confront death") the push to Mosul cannot come soon enough.

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Image captionThe Kurdish Peshmerga fighters on Bashiq Mountain lie within a kilometre of the nearest IS forces
The formidable fighting force of the autonomous Kurdish region has a 620-mile (1,000km) frontline with IS.

Peshmerga fighters, on the jagged peaks of Mount Bashiq, have spent two years staring across the parched plain of Nineveh towards Mosul, a tantalising seven miles (12km) away.

The nearest IS fighters are closer still.

"Between us and them there is just one kilometre," said Gen Nabi Ahmed Doulemeri - a squat figure with a neat moustache - pointing to the town of Bashiq at the foot of the mountain.

"They have tried to attack us 30 or 40 times but each time we have defeated them. And we will defeat them in Mosul, God willing."

'Fight for humanity':

Within minutes of our arrival, IS fired a mortar at his sandbagged frontline position, but it fell short. Commanders said the militants were registering our presence.

The Peshmerga are confident of victory, though they lack basic equipment.

"A lot of these guys have bought their own weapons, shoes and uniforms," said Alan Duncan, a British army veteran who has taken up arms with the Kurds.

Duncan: "I was fed up with watching the world do nothing"
He says the international community has provided only "token" support, though, in his view, the Peshmerga are defending the West.

"If Daesh [IS] got their caliphate here the next step for them would be Europe," he said. "Nice, Paris would be nothing to what we would see. The fact of the matter is that the Peshmerga held the line, and has started to push them back.

"This isn't a fight just for the Peshmerga, just for Kurdistan, this is a fight for the West, this is a fight for humanity."

The Scottish volunteer - a sniper - rode shotgun us as we bumped along dirt tracks touring the frontline in a Humvee.

He said he had no hesitation pulling the trigger on IS. "They are nothing," he said. "It's like putting your foot on an ant. They are savage, they are not humans."


New boundaries:
In their push against IS, the Kurds are already redrawing the map of northern Iraq. They have expanded the area under their control by an estimated 50%.

Over glasses of hot, sweet tea, veteran Kurdish commander Gen Wasta Rasul said there would be no pulling back.

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"Why should we withdraw? If we do, the enemy [IS] can come back in. We should have new negotiations with Baghdad, and these areas should be part of Kurdistan."

The general, who has 23,000 men under his command, insisted the Peshmerga would enter Mosul to help drive IS out, in co-ordination with the Shia-dominated Iraqi army.


Once the extremists are defeated (estimates range from weeks to months) he says both forces should withdraw from the city, where most of the population are Sunni Arabs.

After the Mosul offensive, he says the Kurds will be pressing ahead with a referendum on independence in their areas. "Iraq can't stay as one unit, " he says. "There should be three federations - Sunni, Shia and Kurds. For me there is no unified Iraq."

Network of tunnels:

Whatever the future of Iraq - or lack of it - the immediate challenge is expelling the extremists from Mosul.

They have dug in for a long fight, according to an IS defector now in Kurdish hands. The 23-year-old turned himself in, complete with his IS-issued radio and assault rifle.

We have decided not to identify him as he has relatives living in areas under IS control.

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Image captionThe IS group has reportedly created a network of tunnels around the city, stocked with provisions
"They have underground tunnels, all around Mosul, six metres [20ft] below ground," he said. "They have underground bunkers with bathrooms, and they have stockpiled enough food to last for five years.

"They have many cars full of C4 [explosives] and they are trying to modify 120mm canons to use mustard gas."

We cannot verify his account, but clearly the militants have had plenty of time for prepare for the long-promised assault.


Kept in cells:

As the Kurds close in on Mosul from the east, the Iraqi army is pushing forward from the south.

Both are being assisted by air strikes by the US-led coalition, which have left a trail of pancaked buildings in towns like Qayyarah.

Iraqi troops took the town late last month - their latest victory on the road to Mosul. During our visit it was blanketed by choking black smoke - courtesy of IS who set the oil wells alight.


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Image captionAfter Iraqi forces took the town of Qayyarah, IS fighters set nearby oil wells alight in retreat
Eissa Omar Hassan, an official in the health ministry, was one of the few locals we saw on the streets. He told us life under IS was unjust, harsh and exhausting.

"They are barbarians," he said. "They don't value human beings. Even themselves. They banned cigarettes. Women had to be covered, only their eyes could show. Even young kids in school were affected - they'd teach them that a bullet plus a bullet makes two, a mine plus a mine makes two."

Mr Hassan led us to an IS jail, where prisoners were kept in cells little bigger than a wardrobe and as airless as a tomb. Locals told us up to four men could be crammed into a single cell.

The names and arrival dates of the some of the prisoners were still taped to a door. We do not know their fate.


'Last stand'

But freeing Mosul from horrors like this will come at a price.

Aid agencies are warning the assault on the city could spark a mass exodus and a humanitarian crisis. The United Nations is warning that as many as one million people could flee the city.


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Image captionAid agencies warn the assault on Mosul could spark a mass exodus
"It could be the largest manmade disaster in many years," said Bruno Geddo, of the UN refugee agency (UNHCR).

"We are already catering for 3.4 million displaced Iraqis, so on top of the care and maintenance activities you will have to prepare and to rush to prepare. So you have double stress to deal with."

If IS decides to flee to Syria and regroup the situation will be more manageable, he said. But he outlined another possible scenario - that IS decides to make a last stand in the city, because of its huge symbolic value.

"They may want Mosul to die with them," he told us. "In this case it would be apocalyptic."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37353081
 
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@f1000n is it true that the krg plans to keep those 'new' areas under their control and then push for independence? Anything about this in Iraqi media?
 
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@f1000n is it true that the krg plans to keep those 'new' areas under their control and then push for independence? Anything about this in Iraqi media?

They're tied to us like cancer, they only talk they don't go independent, UNFORTUNATELY
 
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They're tied to us like cancer, they only talk they don't go independent, UNFORTUNATELY
However, if they go independent, they will then also take those new captured areas? Opportunistic rats :disagree:
 
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Kurds are terribly weak fighters evident of them being stateless throughout history. Successive Iraqi regimes, from the monarchy to Saddam Hussein, dealt with them with ease. Same story in Syria. Even absolute rag-tag groups like ISIS (made up of mostly teenagers with no military experience) would have made mince out of them had it not been for the international community. Let alone a few local Arab tribes or clans.



If the current Iraqi regime, controlled largely by cancerous Mullah's in Iran, have any spine left they would help their fellow citizens (local Iraqi Sunni Arabs) in order to chase those illegal Kurds out of those stolen territories. The only reason those territories were lost in the first place is due to the incompetence of the previous Iraqi regime and army that allowed the rise of ISIS in those regions. Should have been dealt with easily given the fact that those territories are mostly lowland/farmland/desert areas.

Take this as an example to show the amount of foreigners (sabotage fifth columnists, foreign kurds etc.) in parliament defending the most corrupt minister who failed to answer questions of his money spending.

The Iraqi parliament on Wednesday passed a vote of no-confidence against finance minister Hoshyar Zebari, voting in a secret ballot.

Out of the 249 MPs who voted in the 328-seat parliament, 158 voted against him, 77 were in his favor and 14 abstained.

It's not a mystery why the army collapsed, both former defense ministers stated the same that politicians caused their collapse.
 
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Take this as an example to show the amount of foreigners (sabotage fifth columnists, foreign kurds etc.) in parliament defending the most corrupt minister who failed to answer questions of his money spending.

The Iraqi parliament on Wednesday passed a vote of no-confidence against finance minister Hoshyar Zebari, voting in a secret ballot.

Out of the 249 MPs who voted in the 328-seat parliament, 158 voted against him, 77 were in his favor and 14 abstained.

It's not a mystery why the army collapsed, both former defense ministers stated the same that politicians caused their collapse.

That is a good start but this whole situation that Iraq has been in since the Americans left in December 2011, should never have occurred. The blame solely lies at the people in power in Iraq. I do not, by any means, buy the ridiculous notion of all 10 million + Iraqi Sunni Arabs being secret ISIS agents or sleeper cells. Iraqi Sunni Arabs formed the backbone of Iraq on all fronts from its modern foundation until 2003. They were the biggest patriots of all and in terms of ideology, while Sunni Muslims, mainly Arab nationalists.

Even if 10% of those 10 million + supported/support ISIS it should not be enough for them to even be able to conquer a single Iraqi town let alone the third biggest and almost 50% of the Iraqi territory. Also the morons in power should also ask themselves where this support originates from and why non-Islamists prefer to embrace ISIS-rule rather than Al-Maliki rule. At least in the beginning. This is not a sign of a well-functioning country. It's a long story but already there the alarm bells should have been in high alert.

You can guess which regional countries have warm/cordial ties to "KRG" and connect the dots and as I wrote 1 week ago or so which countries that are benefiting from the unrest in Iraq. None of those countries are Iraq's Arab neighbors.

We all saw what a largely lawless Iraqi-Syran border did next door in Syria. If Jordan, KSA or Kuwait were in a chaotic situation we would have seen the same effects there coming out from Iraq due to the fatal 2003 US invasion and its aftermath.

Those exiled Iraqi Shia Arab Islamists (Wilayat al-Faqih followers who fled to Syria and Iran after 1991, basically most of the current and previous Iraqi regime) who could not contain their happiness when their own country and people were attacked in 2003, are now reaping the fruits of their moronic actions. I hope they are proud of themselves. They are basically traitors as a few of them even fought for the Mullah's against their own country and countrymen. Such traitors should not only have been shamed for all to see, lost their citizenship but also executed due to high treason and for contributing a great deal to the mess in Iraq which has not only been a disaster for Iraq itself but also a very bad thing for the region as a whole.

Everyone in Iraq and the Arab world, that is not a Wilayat al-Faqih worshipper, rightly views them as not only highly incompetent but as traitors of the highest order.

Regime changes can only come from within and the newest example of this is Syria where things should have been done differently by all parties in hindsight. However the example of Iraq was seemingly completely forgotten as crazy as that sounds.
 
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Seems the Shia regime we installed after the invasion is very incompetent to say the least. Shias powerhouse Iran should do more to make their guys more competent. Else ISIS and other Sunni extremists groups will only grow stronger:)

Anyway Britain and France created artificial countries in the middle East, putting together people who have nothing in common. That was our mistake I admit. Maybe this is an opportunity to right the wrongs we did. If these ethnic groups don't want to live together, then the country should be divided with each(Shias, Sunnis, Kurds) controlling/ruling their strongholds/their own country. For the sake of peace.
 
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That is a good start but this whole situation that Iraq has been in since the Americans left in December 2011, should never have occurred. The blame solely lies at the people in power in Iraq. I do not, by any means, buy the ridiculous notion of all 10 million + Iraqi Sunni Arabs being secret ISIS agents or sleeper cells. Iraqi Sunni Arabs formed the backbone of Iraq on all fronts from its modern foundation until 2003. They were the biggest patriots of all and in terms of ideology, while Sunni Muslims, mainly Arab nationalists.

Even if 10% of those 10 million + supported/support ISIS it should not be enough for them to even be able to conquer a single Iraqi town let alone the third biggest and almost 50% of the Iraqi territory. Also the morons in power should also ask themselves where this support originates from and why non-Islamists prefer to embrace ISIS-rule rather than Al-Maliki rule. At least in the beginning. This is not a sign of a well-functioning country. It's a long story but already there the alarm bells should have been in high alert.

You can guess which regional countries have warm/cordial ties to "KRG" and connect the dots and as I wrote 1 week ago or so which countries that are benefiting from the unrest in Iraq. None of those countries are Iraq's Arab neighbors.

We all saw what a largely lawless Iraqi-Syran border did next door in Syria. If Jordan, KSA or Kuwait were in a chaotic situation we would have seen the same effects there coming out from Iraq due to the fatal 2003 US invasion and its aftermath.

Those exiled Iraqi Shia Arab Islamists (Wilayat al-Faqih followers who fled to Syria and Iran after 1991, basically most of the current and previous Iraqi regime) who could not contain their happiness when their own country and people were attacked in 2003, are now reaping the fruits of their moronic actions. I hope they are proud of themselves. They are basically traitors as a few of them even fought for the Mullah's against their own country and countrymen. Such traitors should not only have been shamed for all to see, lost their citizenship but also executed due to high treason and for contributing a great deal to the mess in Iraq which has not only been a disaster for Iraq itself but also a very bad thing for the region as a whole.

Everyone in Iraq and the Arab world, that is not a Wilayat al-Faqih worshipper, rightly views them as not only highly incompetent but as traitors of the highest order.

Regime changes can only come from within and the newest example of this is Syria where things should have been done differently by all parties in hindsight. However the example of Iraq was seemingly completely forgotten as crazy as that sounds.

Your post goes about several subjects, though I agree about Maliki and the many politicians.

As you said, I agree once again that the Arab states aren't actually acting that hostile to one another. This has changed, now there's a lunatic that wants to revive his Ottoman empire and has burnt Syria to do so, that's not in any Arab states interest. Unfortunately Arab states are silently watching and some actively supporting it. I believe Saudi officials stated support for what he's doing in Syria, F-15's landed there as well. It's no surprise given they are more concerned about Iran which is their priority. They're willing to 'sacrifice' on behalf of others, Syria in this case though that still is unfortunate to see. The way it works out with Iraq and its government will as we know largely be affected by the upcoming US elections, even though I don't follow that we'll have to see. I'm not someone that supports the US but their presence of forces might just be something for the better given that the country is surrounded by countries at war with each other.

Unlike others the Arab states don't have major disputes between each other yet their disunity allows foreigners and non-Arab neighbors to make use of it. Arab neighbors wouldn't make a big deal out of disputes either, one wouldn't displace locals from that disputed territory unlike non-Arabs in the region having disputes with Arabs. The bombing of Yemeni forces/Houthis isn't a solution etither, you know this as well. War between Northern and Southern Yemen happened before Iran's 79 rev, it doesn't solve anything in the long term to empower the southerners to take the north which is unlikely to happen. In the end it's better to solve it without war and have them as an ally.

If you remember this from last year, the forming of an Arab 'NATO' alliance. There's no visible implementation to this day. They're all disunited forces awaiting US approval to act and still focus on fighting other Arab forces. It's unlikely the Syrian gov/SAA would oppose such an Arab force it it truly consisted out of troops for nearly every Arab state and came to help/secure/strengthen rather than what some Arab regime leaders currently want to do in Syria. The Arab states that took part in bombing IS in Syria lasted very shortly, since then only western countries continued striking. All this while Syria is in a more critical condition than Yemen in terms of intl. attention. Yemen only borders Arab states, of which all are GCC states unlike Syria. I can write more but I think you understand where i'm trying to go to, it doesn't help much given that we're mere observers, we have no say in this.

Aside from that, when the US intervenes in the ME at least you know they're a country far away that isn't going to claim anything unlike some regional countries. The same thing with Arab states, they're very unlikely to try to claim something from another Arab. Though that's not the case with non-Arab states sending troops into Arab states. An Arab force from many Arab states intervening in Syria is a lot better than Turkey doing it, especially better when they're actually focusing on IS rather than the SAA as they currently all are.

A prosperous Iraq or Saudi Arabia/GCC (in your case) is still not large or influential enough in the region as you can see nowadays. In the end I rather see an allied military force of the AL, not one that wants to attack Shi'ites or any country but to defend and strengthen one another. Though that is far from reality and I don't represent views of many there either as i'm not that religious, at least only to a personal degree, not to a political/national community degree.
 
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