IS Jihadists Execute More Than 40 Tribesmen in Iraq's Anbar

[Falcon29]

You can debate for as long as you want. ISIS is not a legitimate state nor an Army of a country reconsigned by rest of the world. It is duty upon civilised nations to wipe ISIS from the face of earth.

I'm not debating about IS being an army, it is obviously a non-state actor. You brought that point up out of nowhere, not sure why. Stop talking to yourself and pay attention to my posts. Or just don't respond at all, I addressed what you asked me to address.

As for my point about international law double standard, it is valid.

 

[Belew_Kelew]

Mate, I know about the situation on the ground. I got relatives in Iraq. I am not surprised by what ISIS is doing and I don't expect them to handle out rose water and Arab desserts to the Albu Nimr tribe after they rebelled against ISIS. But just for a second put yourself in their place. It's not only POW that have been targeted. Whole families have left all of their belongings. People that had nothing to do with the conflict on the ground were forced to flee and there have been reports of rapes and killings of innocents too. Women as well and children.



Look, I got no love for any Shia militias here and the fake wannabe Arab Mullah's that rule in Mullahstan and who meddle in Iraq and the Arab world but two wrongs don't make 1 right.

The main point here which we must always remember is the great harm that ISIS has done for the reputation of Islam and Muslims across the world. You might laugh today but if this continues will you then blame some redneck in Australia for thinking that most Muslims are like ISIS and then targeting innocent Muslims in Australia? It could be you or your family. Hate crimes are already on the rise here in Europe. I tell you.

I agree about your comments of the amount of clowns and ignorants here. It's annoying.

Buddy look at the topic it says jihadist executed 40 tribemen when they ran out of ammo. Where did the families came to it? i only commented on what the article said. all i said is what did you expect ISIS to do to them when they capture them HIGH FIVE them perhaps. Stop putting words in my mouth, ISIS are killing people for less what do you think they would do to sunni tribemen who were sold for money to the shia cleriks in karbala. Stop being emotional Mate and let's call the facts they got caught slipping big time.

If you have relatives in Iraq then you know it's tough in there and lives are getting taken for much less. ISIS looks for any excuse to execute people and if a tribe leader is greedy enough to put his kins into harms way by selling out to the shia in Iraq during these times i would expect the ISIS executing machine would try to make an example out of them, i know it's unfair but tough cookies mate i don't care i have seen enough death in my lifetime plus what is happening in syria to be moved by 40 muppets being in situation where they run out of ammo and surrender expecting a treatment of tea and biscuits from ISIS, Such is life.

 

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Buddy look at the topic it says jihadist executed 40 tribemen when they ran out of ammo. Where did the families came to it?

40 ran out of ammo were fighters, the hundreds of others being massacred were civillians
IS kills 500 members of the Albu Nimr tribe - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

There's a vid of them arresting some of the civillians, lining them up and shooting them but it's graphic so I'd get banned.

 

[Belew_Kelew]

LOOL Nope im none of the above. Well many people here seem to be confused about my nationality. since i tend to know alot about some of their regions/countries(even remote ones). Some have said/thought i was Chinese,Pakistanis, Indian,Japanese, French, anti - muslim, Iranian, Horner, now Somalis/ethiopian etc. im still waiting for more.

Well, Im Pure British bro(though with french descent), but i did spend alot of my life/studied in France(and i speak french fluently as well). The thing is i have travelled alot in Africa/Asia(which is the 2 continents i love/follow alot), i also studied international relations in Uni(Paris), from where i got interested ininternational politics, and my wife is half african(Cameroonian) half french, So i started knowing Africa when i first visited few of my in laws in her place in Yaounde(Cameroon), from where i developed a love for Africa. So there is hardly an african country i havent visited, bar a few(like Erithrea). lol

Very Nice Mate, power to you Indeed. you do tend to know more than your average joe about the history and background on alot of countries. keep it up mate and travel and learn more it will empower you and also give you experience.

Coming to topic, well i understand everybody has his on point of View. And i do agree that the topic/medias dont go into details in some of their news about ISIS like the one above, where they should have mentioned those excuted where captured POWs,rival government militias etc. But even if thats the case, they shouldnt be executed, its indeed wrong. ISIS crimes cant ever be justified, they have indeed commited several crimes/beheadings which we cant even begin to describe on here, and they threaten basically every country from syria,Iraq to even their former supporter Turkey. Anyway Mulsim killing muslims isn't my business/concern though. I was just making a point that they should be looking for a way out of this crisis, which involves Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries stopping their finance of these jihadists/islamic groups/wahabists/so called 'FSA' and Turkey taking more control of its border to prevent ISIS/islamic/foreign jihadist fighters pouring into the region. Else this war will never end, not until all Syrians/iraqis are death and the country totally destroyed to the last building.

Indeed. 40 tribemen fighting ran out of ammo then they surrendered to ISIS who kill people for much less and they were executed and there is a rage for me mentioning this, but i don't care i just express my opinion and always leave emotion out of it. you will always find some people in here who can't hack anyone giving alternative view or opposing idea, they are like the same people who you would score a goal against in a friendly football match and they would pack up their gear sooking and go home complaining that you cheated.lol Other people are what this forum was made for they exchange ideas and debate if they have a different point a view and they do learn from each other even if one or both are right or wrong.

This whole situation in the region is like a black hole, everyone is getting sucked in and the smart one are trying to resist getting involved but the force is too strong, the really clever one are finding ways to not get involve and stay under the radar because who ever is in this mess will get harmed sooner or later the whole thing is pre-planned already.

 

[al-Hasani]

Buddy look at the topic it says jihadist executed 40 tribemen when they ran out of ammo. Where did the families came to it? i only commented on what the article said. all i said is what did you expect ISIS to do to them when they capture them HIGH FIVE them perhaps. Stop putting words in my mouth, ISIS are killing people for less what do you think they would do to sunni tribemen who were sold for money to the shia cleriks in karbala. Stop being emotional Mate and let's call the facts they got caught slipping big time.

If you have relatives in Iraq then you know it's tough in there and lives are getting taken for much less. ISIS looks for any excuse to execute people and if a tribe leader is greedy enough to put his kins into harms way by selling out to the shia in Iraq during these times i would expect the ISIS executing machine would try to make an example out of them, i know it's unfair but tough cookies mate i don't care i have seen enough death in my lifetime plus what is happening in syria to be moved by 40 muppets being in situation where they run out of ammo and surrender expecting a treatment of tea and biscuits from ISIS, Such is life.

Well, that's because this news omitted what also happened. ISIS is punishing whole families and areas inhabited by that tribe and burning their properties and expelling them from their homes. This is nothing new. They have been doing that with anyone that was against them in Iraq long before the offensive this Summer. They have used blackmailing, assassinations, kidnappings etc. as a mean of scaring opponents etc. for years.

I am not surprised by ISIS behavior but I was disappointed with what I initially perceived as silent support of ISIS on this front from you. I mean their action in this case.

They are safe, Alhamdulillah and are based in Baghdad now. They also have opportunities in case it gets really, really bad such as moving abroad etc. Most were there already but not all people are this lucky and some are for instance stuck in ISIS controlled areas.

You must look past those 40 people. Look at the wider picture, their general conduct, how harmful they have been to Islam and Muslims etc.

I am standing 100% behind the Iraqi Sunni Arabs in their fight against Iranian sponsored terrorist groups. Have no doubt about that. But I am not going to be apologetic to ISIS nor do I believe that Arab Sunnis and Shias have any reasons to kill each other. We should live in peace.

 

[Belew_Kelew]

Dulaimi tribe plays it safe until they have the opportunity to side with the majoos and the kuffar, like they did in history. The US has plans for those tribes so sooner or later they will side with the American kuffar like in 2004.


Fighting al-Qaeda in 2005 and 2006

The Dulaim tribe fought numerous battles against al-Qaeda during 2005 and 2006. Naim Kaoud said, “The tribe was the first among the Iraqi tribes to fight al-Qaeda in the past. It played a major role in destroying this organization in Iraq during 2005 and 2006.” He said, “In the past, the government armed this tribe and entrusted it to cleanse regions of Anbar. Dulaim’s success in doing so prevented the entry of any al-Qaeda member along 36 kilometers [22 miles] of the province.”

Read more: IS kills 500 members of the Albu Nimr tribe - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

It is interesting indeed how the dalimi would react, they were burned once after they fought back alongside the government till 2007 when maliki didn't award them what he promised them and even the majority of the detainee's were many of the armed tribemen who fought alqaeda during the sahawat times. i highly doubt they would join this time again since alot of their leaders and members are firmly in bed with ISIS at the moment and they were among the first to rebel with demonstrations in 2013. it will be very hard for them to get a speedy divorce from ISIS without consequences. only time will tell i guess let see what happens next.

 

[Belew_Kelew]

Well, that's because this news omitted what also happened. ISIS is punishing whole families and areas inhabited by that tribe and burning their properties and expelling them from their homes. This is nothing new. They have been doing that with anyone that was against them in Iraq long before the offensive this Summer. They have used blackmailing, assassinations, kidnappings etc. as a mean of scaring opponents etc. for years.

Offcourse.. but you must understand there is a state of war in that country and alot of these things happens. it is not right but it happens this is when the quality of the leaders from any tribes come to matter. you have to act in your tribe best interest. If ISIS approaching your area and will fall under them you have to play it wise and go on a day by day basis to save your kin, you don't pledge alligence to the Iraqi government and declare war on ISIS when they are on your doorstep. this is just foolish. Both ISIS and the iraqi government are using the sunni as pawns in the war, there is the ISIS side and there is the government side and there is a third side which is the spectator side which you need to find a way to get yourself into that with minumum loss and stay under the radar.

I am not surprised by ISIS behavior but I was disappointed with what I initially perceived as silent support of ISIS on this front from you. I mean their action in this case.

I am not with ISIS, i hate them too. i actually hated them and was enraged by them when they started to attack the only front i really care about in this whole mess back in 2013 which is Al Nusra front , no one cared at that time and many found it entertaining. Now that ISIS has touched everyone else and especially the kurds everyone is crying foul, i don't care what happens as long as Union of islamic fronts in Syria (Jabhat al nusra + other fronts like ahrar al sham etc) are carrying on their normal war against assad regime, let the ISIS troll from the west suck in other irrelevant parties to play catch and execute with.

They are safe, Alhamdulillah and are based in Baghdad now. They also have opportunities in case it gets really, really bad such as moving abroad etc. Most were there already but not all people are this lucky and some are for instance stuck in ISIS controlled areas.

Thank god for that, allah be with them.

You must look past those 40 people. Look at the wider picture, their general conduct, how harmful they have been to Islam and Muslims etc.

Yeah well everyone knows about ISIS and what their image is like, they are doing this on purpose to attract attention. they don't care if they damage the image of muslims, they were long past that when they started killing the best mujahdin in syria 2 years ago.

I am standing 100% behind the Iraqi Sunni Arabs in their fight against Iranian sponsored terrorist groups. Have no doubt about that. But I am not going to be apologetic to ISIS nor do I believe that Arab Sunnis and Shias have any reasons to kill each other. We should live in peace.

I hope so, but as long as iran is fueling the shia-sunni war don't hold your breath. this is going to go on for years to come.

 

[Serpentine]

Offcourse.. but you must understand there is a state of war in that country and alot of these things happens. it is not right but it happens this is when the quality of the leaders from any tribes come to matter. you have to act in your tribe best interest. If ISIS approaching your area and will fall under them you have to play it wise and go on a day by day basis to save your kin, you don't pledge alligence to the Iraqi government and declare war on ISIS when they are on your doorstep. this is just foolish. Both ISIS and the iraqi government are using the sunni as pawns in the war, there is the ISIS side and there is the government side and there is a third side which is the spectator side which you need to find a way to get yourself into that with minumum loss and stay under the radar.



I am not with ISIS, i hate them too. i actually hated them and was enraged by them when they started to attack the only front i really care about in this whole mess back in 2013 which is Al Nusra front , no one cared at that time and many found it entertaining. Now that ISIS has touched everyone else and especially the kurds everyone is crying foul, i don't care what happens as long as Union of islamic fronts in Syria (Jabhat al nusra + other fronts like ahrar al sham etc) are carrying on their normal war against assad regime, let the ISIS troll from the west suck in other irrelevant parties to play catch and execute with.



Thank god for that, allah be with them.



Yeah well everyone knows about ISIS and what their image is like, they are doing this on purpose to attract attention. they don't care if they damage the image of muslims, they were long past that when they started killing the best mujahdin in syria 2 years ago.



I hope so, but as long as iran is fueling the shia-sunni war don't hold your breath. this is going to go on for years to come.

This Iran paranoia is epidemic indeed.
Btw, it's quite funny that you think supporting Al-Nusra terrorists puts you in a higher moral position compared to supporting IS. They are the $hit, with different names, but only because Nus-Rats were only focused on fighting Syrian government, they weren't shown as the devil they are in the media.

U.S just started bombing them after they kicked their own stooges (SRF) out of Idlib, which is not a bad think though.

 

[HariPrasad]

All this on the name of religion and god.

 

[Belew_Kelew]

This Iran paranoia is epidemic indeed.
Btw, it's quite funny that you think supporting Al-Nusra terrorists puts you in a higher moral position compared to supporting IS. They are the $hit, with different names, but only because Nus-Rats were only focused on fighting Syrian government, they weren't shown as the devil they are in the media.

U.S just started bombing them after they kicked their own stooges (SRF) out of Idlib, which is not a bad think though.

Why is it funny i am supporting al nusra front? together with their union islamic fronts they have the biggest credit in crippling assad army to the point that he begged for hizbillah and other shia militia to compensate his loss. I understand you are iranian and would label al nusra as terrorist group. that is your view. but the fact remains that al nusra + the other union of islamic fronts have more than 150,000 fighters in syria these days and can wipe out ISIS from syria if they want, they flat out refused to fight ISIS on behalf of the americans and that got the american plan messed up as they wanted every rebel army in syria fighting each other. their main objective is assad regime not this ISIS troll put in place to divert attention from the big goal.

America put al nusra front on their terrorist list from day one because no other front in syria fight like them and everyone is trying hard to associate them with ISIS. Mark my words and history will show you can defeat ISIS once they pull the plug on them but Al nusra front will the spear head in defeating and breaking the shia grip in syria,lebanon. by the way do you know what was turkey first condition of allowing the peshmerga to kobani? Jabhat al nusra not to be touched which was unacceptable to the americans because they know al nusra front is the real deal not some proxy shady group like ISIS to sabotage the rebellion effort. but american agreed so the turk got tricked because it wasn't the american who bombed al nusra in idlib but some arabian stooges with their planes, their day will come too. They said that after the airstrike on thursday morning more than 2500 fighters has joined al nusra front everyone knows why they are targeting al nusra front it has became a headache for assad and his hizbillah allies. Remember that al nusra front is the official wing of alqaeda as well so numbers will swell up in times to come.

 

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Anbar local tribes requested help from Iraqi army and Shi'a militias, together the 3 are now going to attack ISIS occupied Hit.

BAGHDAD — Iraqi Sunni tribesmen, Iraqi Shiite militia fighters and Iraqi security forces set out Saturday to recapture a key city in Anbar province and stop Islamic State atrocities against a local tribe in an extraordinary coalition that could stir sectarian tensions or potentially serve as a model for future cooperation against the militants.

The operation to liberate Hit, about 90 miles west of Baghdad, could reshape the situation in Anbar in a way that would impact the mission of U.S. troops who are being deployed to the province from among the additional 1,500 U.S. military advisers the Pentagon said it is sending to Iraq at the end of the year.

“This is a dramatic change,” said Hisham al Hashimi, a prominent Iraqi defense analyst. “We have the Sunni Arab tribes fighting hand in hand with the Shiites.”

Read more here: BAGHDAD: In Iraq, forces join together in rare show of sectarian unity | World | SanLuisObispo

 

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Another tribe getting it's turn

In Iraq, Islamic State fighters seize Sunni tribesmen for resisting rule - The Washington Post



BAGHDAD — The Islamic State has seized hundreds of tribesmen from a central Iraqi town after accusing tribal leaders there of plotting a rebellion against the militant group, residents and officials said, raising fears that it plans to kill the hostages as punishment.

Residents of militant-controlled al-Alam — about 100 miles north of Baghdad — said the Islamic State has detained as many as 500 men and boys from the Jubouri tribe since Sunday, after some youths tore down the group’s signature black banner from a square in the town center and replaced it with an Iraqi flag.


Partially their fault, by working against the army they invited cancer to their home, it won't leave without killing many.