Is it time for a new OIC? |-| Organization of 57 Muslim Countries

[Stannis Baratheon]

IMO Uyghur issue is similar to what the issue in Balochistan or Kurd region. None of them will succeed in what they are doing. You can't commit terrorism against the govt just to force them to accept your demands. Simple.

It's not. Kurds aren't put in concentration camps and Balochistan has a separatist movement funded by foreign country, i.e India.

Here with visual evidence of concentration camps

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps#sa-link_location=story-body&intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50511063&intlink_ts=1589901726046-sa

There is no benefit to bring up Uyghar issue publicly. It unnecessarily complicates what is really a simple problem.

Let's try to promote the ummah but let's ignore the Muslims who are suffering the most. Some of you Pakistanis have your heads so deep in China's behind.

I would really love to know the "simple solution". Let them die in concentration camps, or have them leave their homeland. If that's the case, you people shouldn't bother about Kashmiris in IOK either.

 

[KaiserX]

Let's try to promote the ummah but let's ignore the Muslims who are suffering the most. Some of you Pakistanis have your heads so deep in China's behind.

I would really love to know the "simple solution". Let them die in concentration camps, or have them leave their homeland. If that's the case, you people shouldn't bother about Kashmiris in IOK either.

A smart man strategizes. Keeps his friends close but "enemies" even closer. Best way to achieve your goals is through diplomatic solution. No doubt Xi Xingping has cracked down on Muslims hard but a lot of what you see in western media is propaganda. Chinese relations with muslims has been far more civil than that of hindus whose pysche has been destroyed by countless muslim rulers.

 

[Stannis Baratheon]

A smart man strategizes. Keeps his friends close but "enemies" even closer. Best way to achieve your goals is through diplomatic solution. No doubt Xi Xingping has cracked down on Muslims hard but a lot of what you see in western media is propaganda. Chinese relations with muslims has been far more civil than that of hindus whose pysche has been destroyed by countless muslim rulers.

You people are a joke just like your PM. Talk about Muslim unity and the ummah as long as it benefits you but whenever it doesn't, make a fool out of yourself. India's treatment of Muslims is nothing short of awful but China's is worst. China's treatment of Uyghur is comparable to Hitler's concentration camps and it will go there unless the world pressures China to stop and OIC would be the perfect one to try and start that.

 

[CrazyZ]

Strong regional blocs are emerging all over the world.....sad to say I don't see anything out of the NA/ME or Islamic nations..... Unless better leaders emerge.

 

[KaiserX]

You people are a joke just like your PM. Talk about Muslim unity and the ummah as long as it benefits you but whenever it doesn't, make a fool out of yourself. India's treatment of Muslims is nothing short of awful but China's is worst. China's treatment of Uyghur is comparable to Hitler's concentration camps and it will go there unless the world pressures China to stop and OIC would be the perfect one to try and start that.

Your country lets muslim refugees down in the ocean. You cannot compare the islamiyat of Pakistans to bangladeshs. Look at how bengalis are treated in karachi compared to urdu speakers in your country who are seen as untouchables... first look within your own country at how certain muslims of non-bengal ethnicity are treated.

Next we can talk about Uyghurs. I can see from Chinas point of view that they have been a problem via the east turkmenistan islamic movement who have been responsible for many terrorist attacks in Pakistan itself. Many of the hardcore wahabi terrorist were Uyghurs who were given refuge by Pakistan. Many of these Uygurs took the chance to hurt Pakistan by targetting Chinese projects for terrorism. There is many cases of this including attacks on infrastructure projects, military installations, etc... so it is hard for me to sympathise with these terrorist when they can bite the hand that feeds them.

Terrorism is not a problem limited to pakistan but unlike us the chinese know how to deal with it.

Kashmir on the other hand is a completely different ball game. Most kashmirirs look at their independance struggle through a nationalist lense and not a religious one

 

[Stannis Baratheon]

Your country lets muslim refugees down in the ocean. You cannot compare the islamiyat of Pakistans to bangladeshs. Look at how bengalis are treated in karachi compared to urdu speakers in your country who are seen as untouchables... first look within your own country at how certain muslims of non-bengal ethnicity are treated.

I am not comparing Pakistanis, I am comparing this sub and your PM. Vast majority of Bangladeshis also hate Hasina and Awami League, so your point doesn't make much sense there either as we disagree with all of AL's policy and believe it is to solely benefit them and India.

Next we can talk about Uyghurs. I can see from Chinas point of view that they have been a problem via the east turkmenistan islamic movement who have been responsible for many terrorist attacks in Pakistan itself. Many of the hardcore wahabi terrorist were Uyghurs who were given refuge by Pakistan. Many of these Uygurs took the chance to hurt Pakistan by targetting Chinese projects for terrorism. There is many cases of this including attacks on infrastructure projects, military installations, etc... so it is hard for me to sympathise with these terrorist when they can bite the hand that feeds them.

Why don't you also see India's point of view regarding Kashmir then? Isn't it very similar. An insurgency that is far more active than in China and also the threat of a foreign country in Pakistan meddling inside India. If you read your comment, it's all "Pakistan, Pakistan, Pakistan" and everything has to benefit Pakistan. According to that, it seems like the ummah should only exist to benefit Pakistan. The Communist Party in China target them not because of "radicalism" but because of them not worshipping the CCP.

Terrorism is not a problem limited to pakistan but unlike us the chinese know how to deal with it.

Would you say the same if India puts Kashmiris in concentration camps?

Kashmir on the other hand is a completely different ball game. Most kashmirirs look at their independance struggle through a nationalist lense and not a religious one

LOL. It's not but it's both, just like the Uighurs.

 

[KaiserX]

I am not comparing Pakistanis, I am comparing this sub and your PM. Vast majority of Bangladeshis also hate Hasina and Awami League, so your point doesn't make much sense there either as we disagree with all of AL's policy and believe it is to solely benefit them and India.



Why don't you also see India's point of view regarding Kashmir then? Isn't it very similar. An insurgency that is far more active than in China and also the threat of a foreign country in Pakistan meddling inside India. If you read your comment, it's all "Pakistan, Pakistan, Pakistan" and everything has to benefit Pakistan. According to that, it seems like the ummah should only exist to benefit Pakistan. The Communist Party in China target them not because of "radicalism" but because of them not worshipping the CCP.



Would you say the same if India puts Kashmiris in concentration camps?



LOL. It's not but it's both, just like the Uighurs.

Kashmiris are already in a concentration camp.. theyve been locked down for over a year. If bengalis are so against the awami league then why do your people choose to be sheeps to India rather than rise up as the Bengal Sultanate once did? Truth of the matter is post 1971 everyone knows who has a big heart and who has a small heart in their outlook to other muslims.

You cannot compare Kashmir to Uyghurs... One is an international dispute while the other has always been firmly a part of China. To hell with the Ummah... we have seen how Ummah benefited us in 1971 and continue to see how it benefits us today with the likes of afghanistan, iran, bangladesh. Pakistans only true muslim ally is Turkey. Rest are sheep waiting to backstab

 

[Stannis Baratheon]

Kashmiris are already in a concentration camp.. theyve been locked down for over a year. If bengalis are so against the awami league then why do your people choose to be sheeps to India rather than rise up as the Bengal Sultanate once did? Truth of the matter is post 1971 everyone knows who has a big heart and who has a small heart in their outlook to other muslims.

You cannot compare Kashmir to Uyghurs... One is an international dispute while the other has always been firmly a part of China. To hell with the Ummah... we have seen how Ummah benefited us in 1971 and continue to see how it benefits us today with the likes of afghanistan, iran, bangladesh. Pakistans only true muslim ally is Turkey. Rest are sheep waiting to backstab

Kashmiris aren't being put into prisons and being told to praise the government or put through "re-education" aka state propaganda.

Kashmir dispute didn't exist before 1947 whereas the Uighur's have been there since the time of the Golden Horde few hundred years back. In 1971 your Pakistan was nothing short of fascist towards Bangladeshis and not equal members of the same country based on religion but wanted to Urdufy Bangladesh.

 

[American Pakistani]

It's not. Kurds aren't put in concentration camps and Balochistan has a separatist movement funded by foreign country, i.e India.

Here with visual evidence of concentration camps

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps#sa-link_location=story-body&intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50511063&intlink_ts=1589901726046-sa
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Balochistan doesn't have a separatist movement but a terrorism problem from leaders hiding in Afghanistan. BLA is listed as terrorist organization by Pakistan, US, UK and China govt. Similarly kurds are conducting terrorism. Now not entire Baloch and Kurd are doing it similarly same is the issue with uyghurs, some attacked and killed Chinese but not entire Uyghur.

And lol @ that BBC link.

IOK that is a dispute recognized by entire world. I don't need to say more of it is hard for you to differentiate what is dispute.

 

[KaiserX]

Kashmiris aren't being put into prisons and being told to praise the government or put through "re-education" aka state propaganda.

Kashmir dispute didn't exist before 1947 whereas the Uighur's have been there since the time of the Golden Horde few hundred years back. In 1971 your Pakistan was nothing short of fascist towards Bangladeshis and not equal members of the same country based on religion but wanted to Urdufy Bangladesh.

At this point you have shown your lack of knowledge related to history or geopolitics. This will be my last time replying to you because ti would be a waste of time debating ignorance.

Read up what has been going on in kashmir since the maharajas time... the genocide in jammu, the current situation with the lockdown, how many millions of indian troops are stationed in such a small little valley. China doesnt even have 10% of troops stationed in such a large region (East turkmenistan).

Kashmir existed for thousands of years either as an independant state or under different empires. but their was always a kashmiri identity.

Urdufy Bangladesh? we dont need to urdufy your kind your people are already obsessed with urdu.. bengalis in the west seem to speak better urdu than most pakistanis you cannot equate the soft power of the urdu language as something which was forcefully imposed on your kind (typical bengali rubbish) when your people prefer to speak Urdu with others (non bengalis). Seems to be a crisis of identity with bangladeshis who want to believe they fought so hard for their language but still prefer to listen to urdu songs

Balochistan doesn't have a separatist movement but a terrorism problem from leaders hiding in Afghanistan. BLA is listed as terrorist organization by Pakistan, US, UK and China govt. Similarly kurds are conducting terrorism. Now not entire Baloch and Kurd are doing it similarly same is the issue with uyghurs, some attacked and killed Chinese but not entire Uyghur.

And lol @ that BBC link.

IOK that is a dispute recognized by entire world. I don't need to say more of it is hard for you to differentiate what is dispute.

Iran seems to be a bigger source of BLA terrorism than afghanistan now at this point... also seems to be the biggest supporter to kurdish terrorism as well..

 

[Stannis Baratheon]

Balochistan doesn't have a separatist movement but a terrorism problem from leaders hiding in Afghanistan. BLA is listed as terrorist organization by Pakistan, US, UK and China govt. Similarly kurds are conducting terrorism. Now not entire Baloch and Kurd are doing it similarly same is the issue with uyghurs, some attacked and killed Chinese but not entire Uyghur.

And lol @ that BBC link.

IOK that is a dispute recognized by entire world. I don't need to say more of it is hard for you to differentiate what is dispute.

Most of the Kashmiri separatists in India are also listed as terrorists in U.N, U.S and E.U. TIP is not listed as a terrorist organization by U.N. Also, even if we go by 'attacking civilians' and China putting a million people in "re-education camps" is collective punishment, which is a war-crime according to the Geneva Convention. Pakistanis defending China's treatment of Uighur Muslim is pathetic.

At this point you have shown your lack of knowledge related to history or geopolitics. This will be my last time replying to you because ti would be a waste of time debating ignorance.

Read up what has been going on in kashmir since the maharajas time... the genocide in jammu, the current situation with the lockdown, how many millions of indian troops are stationed in such a small little valley. China doesnt even have 10% of troops stationed in such a large region (East turkmenistan).

Kashmir existed for thousands of years either as an independant state or under different empires. but their was always a kashmiri identity.

Urdufy Bangladesh? we dont need to urdufy your kind your people are already obsessed with urdu.. bengalis in the west seem to speak better urdu than most pakistanis you cannot equate the soft power of the urdu language as something which was forcefully imposed on your kind (typical bengali rubbish) when your people prefer to speak Urdu with others (non bengalis). Seems to be a crisis of identity with bangladeshis who want to believe they fought so hard for their language but still prefer to listen to urdu songs

So, everything you mentioned, was happening right around the time of India and Pakistan's seperation.

And no, Bangladeshis aren't "obsessed" with urdu. Nobody in Bangladesh speaks urdu aside from the Bihari population and nobody really cares about it either. There is no "crisis of identity in Bangladesh", in fact we are much better off than Pakistan even with an Indian stooge at power while Pakistan's economy is failing by the day.

 

[nahtanbob]

Most of the Kashmiri separatists in India are also listed as terrorists in U.N, U.S and E.U. TIP is not listed as a terrorist organization by U.N. Also, even if we go by 'attacking civilians' and China putting a million people in "re-education camps" is collective punishment, which is a war-crime according to the Geneva Convention. Pakistanis defending China's treatment of Uighur Muslim is pathetic.

What is new ? During the cold war when allied with America Pakistan looked the other way when Israel was beating up on the Arabs. India looked the other way when the Soviets did their share of mischief.

As you pointed they are trying to use Islam to further their petty interests. it is not like even the other Muslim states do not realize it

 

[American Pakistani]

Most of the Kashmiri separatists in India are also listed as terrorists in U.N, U.S and E.U.
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You are wrong. UN doesn't term Kashmiri independence struggle as terrorism nobody does except Bharti terrorists.

TIP is not listed as a terrorist organization by U.N.
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You know how something is declared terrorist in UN? Obviously 3 members i.e US UK France veto any move that will call to declare them terrorists because all these 3 countries have their interest in occupying China in its internal quagmire. This is where their interests meets with India. India want Xinjiang to break up so that China have no border connection with Pakistan.

. Pakistanis defending China's treatment of Uighur Muslim is pathetic.
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Pakistanis don't believe in that propaganda masterminded by Bharti, so there is no such thing as defending or blaming.

 

[KaiserX]

It would better serve Bengladeshi interests to focus on the illegal occupation of bangladesh by Pro-Hindu BJP Awami league than Kashmir or East Turkmenistan... for us the situation in Bangladesh is equally as dire.

 

[Thamizh Puli]

the idea of a muslim country is just plain stupid. for that matter any particular religion. in fact extending beyond, any kind of classified grouping. If you want proof just look at every so called muslim country - they have all failed.
Either they are beset with developmental issues as in the case of so called rich muslim countries or rotting with mental issues such as the not so rich ones radicalizing inside. Religion, any religion, is wonderful as a tool for self-conscience; the moment you bring it into the social sphere and start calling it your culture and way of life, you start down the mental disease slope.

so forget muslim country; forget association of muslim countries. those things haven't worked ever since books became available for people to read.

pick whatever religion with some decent principles, islam christianty hinudism bhuddism whatever = take the good stuff from it and make yourself better. learn to ditch the stupid barbaric practices and rituals that idiots have introduced to these