Is it good time to "Let these Afghans GO" from Balochistan?

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I always say , people who work , pay taxes (have history of tax filing) and have no crime record let them stay

Target the ones "that are bombing places" and their center is in Kabul which has to be controlled

Afghan "Unclaimed Territory" should be claimed by hoisting Pakistani flag over Kabul

• Demolish their broken government
• Turn off the radio
  
• Take over the newspaper
• End the safe heaven in Afghanistan (Terrorist land) and then flush the rats hiding in Pakistan

Once the mouth piece is gone , people will go back to working and jobs


Right now we are letting a snake grow in our backyard all these humvees , and weapons going there in container will make snake stronger , and it does not goes after terrorist camps these weapons are being used to fire into Pakisatan

Why is there a problem in Turkey -> Kurds (Getting weapons - goods , you name it )
Why is there a problem in Pakistan ->Afghanistan( Getting weapons-good , you name it)

What happens in a country when 2 factions are created with weapon , Look at Syria.
Syria is a prime example of what happens when outside nations supply weapons into a Sovereign state

Iraq - Libya - Syria , are all example of state were tones of weapons were dropped into state players (2 -3 factions) , and central governments were dislodged

Speaking of Afghanistan, Infact not long ago a shipment went from our own (Pakistani) Port Trucks, Humvees, Guns and then what they are firing on our border. Into Pakistani border same weapons

There is a stash of weapon left in Afghanistan - who is this for ?

Untill the two nations (Turkey/Pakistan) will not launch major offensive the bombings will continue and disruption will continue

Pushing immigrants or people who want to work or live will not solve the issue



This is afghanistan

Papa snake , and then million of tiny snakes all living happily in Afghanistan crawling out

Kurds are being given weapons to go against Turkey
Afghan Terrorist (Living in Afghanistan) are given weapons to go against Pakistan

See the world does not care they are enjoying Olympics and going to concerts and Movies and all fancy stuff , tomorrow someone will fly a bomber plane over Pakistan or Turkey and drop a weapon on Building and say oh we don't know .... who dropped the bomb we were going against ISIS or what ever

• Bombings happened over syria , no problem , Olympic is not disrupted
  
• There is no candle light
  
• Elled De generes was riding over Usaian bolt (this is what people cared about)
  
• There were lot of sport events happening all 100 not effected by the booming in Syria
• UN was god don't know what they were doing
• People of world were watching Ibrahimovic score goals in Man United debut

And what were people doing in Pakistan

• 4-5 Politicians were debating about corruption charges and demonstration , this was there priority on tv for 2-3 hours
• It was a lame show but they were discussing meaningless political discussion

Only Solution:

• Turkey takes out Kurds - militants - No fly zone established
  
• Pakistan neutralizes Afghanistan takes it over - No fly zone established
  
• Pakisatan- Turkey - Saudia - Egypt launch strike in Syria (Ground Operation - No fly zone)
• 30 Day grace period offered to ISIS to lay down weapons in Iraq, otherwise (Ground Operation - No fly zone)

The Immigrants are never the problem the problem is always "Militancy" and rouge factions who get the weapons from Afganistan-Kurd areas , and some are born out of circumstances like ISIS etc

The only Long term solution is not kicking out Immigrants or women or children but it is taking an offensive approach against Militant groups who receive weapons and later this weapon falls into rouge forces

Never forget - even Prophet Mohammad was a Immigrant to Madina he was originally a resident of Makkah, and was forced to immigrate due to extremism in Makkah during early parts of our history

 

[SrNair]

In case of major conflict with India, we Pakistanis will have no choice to migrate to Afghanistan & Iran. Both these countries are meant to support our back and we are meant to back them up. I wonder how they will respond the favor???
We supported them for more than three decades and still they dance on fingers of India and that of dozen people Government in Kabul.
We need to bring "radical twist" in Afghanistan in our favor, other wise such cross border clashes will continue.
Afghan don't know they are being used, and they act as "Namak haram" thanks to certain mind set developed under the influence of thick nationalism and racism ....... We need to avoid confronting Afghanistan in any field and need to power up proxy elements for achieving goals which are in favor of both Pakistan & Afghanistan......

So Afghans are racist towards Pakistan ?
Strange

 

[Zibago]

If Pakistan is genuine on Islamic ummah then it would accept more Afghans and Rohingyas.

The less said about Pakistan's stance on the Uyghurs the better.

6000 Uighyurs in Rawalpindi only

So Afghans are racist towards Pakistan ?
Strange

Yes they have this false sense of superiority complez

 

[SrNair]

6000 Uighyurs in Rawalpindi only


Yes they have this false sense of superiority complez

I thought both of you are same in physical appearance and culture .
But why they have that kind of complex even if they are in dire situation

 

[Irfan Baloch]

The afghans will not learn a lesson until we make them miserable much like the Jews of berlin persecuted by Nazi..it is inhumane..but there is no other solution to it as well..Afghans need to be taught a lesson....

this is EXACTLY what the Indians will want and the Northern Alliance thugs will want.
dont play into their hands
stay graceful and lets not punish the innocent Afghans.
Abdullah Abdullah's visit is yet again under threat.. the Indians have sabutagued it every time through terrorism in Kabul or some border skirmishes and war of words.. this is just the continuation of that .

the Butcher of Gujrat is pissed off because despite dishing out millions over image building even UN and Arab monarchs are starting to point out the atrocities in Kashmir. and he counters it with a laughable claim that AJK and Balitistan people thank him along with an exiled Baloch guy who used Indian passport to travel,

 

[dadeechi]

6000 Uighyurs in Rawalpindi only

The question is, Does Pakistan provide moral support to Uighurs like it to does in other cases? The answer is clear NO. In fact Pakistan has been actively supporting China by either bribing refugees to extract information or deporting the others who do not subscribe to China-Pakistan line. Any and all Uighurs in Pakistan are nothing but caged prisoners.

So much for the your claimed brotherhood with the fellow Turks.


Pakistan Deports Uyghurs
Five Uyghurs have been sent back to China, where they face punishment.
2011-08-10

Chinese security forces patrol central Kashgar, Aug. 2, 2011.
AFP

Pakistani authorities have deported five ethnic Uyghurs to China’s northwestern Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region where they may face persecution on their return, according to the head of a Uyghur exile group.

“According to the information we received, all five were Uyghurs,” said Omer Khan, the founder of the Omer Uyghur Foundation in the Pakistani capital of Islamabad.

They were believed to have been forcibly repatriated this week to Xinjiang, where Uyghurs say they have long suffered ethnic discrimination, oppressive religious controls, and continued poverty and joblessness.

“The deportation of Uyghurs is happening a lot these days [in Pakistan], but this is one of the rare cases which has been exposed to the media,” Omer Khan said.

On Tuesday, the Pakistani newspaper Dawn reported that five “Chinese citizens” had been arrested in different parts of the country and deported on Monday.

The report claimed that the group, which included two children and a woman, was brought to Benazir Bhutto International Airport where they boarded flight CZ6008 operated by China’s Southern Airline to Urumqi, the capital of Xinjiang.

Dawn quoted an unnamed source who said that another “Chinese national,” Abduxur Ablmit, was to accompany “his compatriots,” but was offloaded because the flight captain refused to accept him for “unspecified reasons.”

“Ablmit, blindfolded and handcuffed like the other five, had been allotted a seat on the flight,” the newspaper reported.

Dawn also identified one of the five as Manzokra Mamad, who it said was accompanied by a young girl and boy.

The report said that the reason for the deportation was unclear, but noted that Pakistani security agencies had extradited “Xinjiang separatists” before on at least three occasions—14 in 1997, seven in 2002, and nine in 2009.

Pakistani authorities could not be reached for comment on the deportation or the identities of those involved.

“We have been able to confirm the names of two people—Abdushukur Ablimit and Menzire Memet,” Omer Khan said.

Exile reaction

The Munich-based World Uyghur Congress (WUC) issued a statement Wednesday condemning “in the strongest possible terms” Pakistan’s decision to extradite the five Uyghurs, saying the group “will face harsh punishment.”

“Uyghurs who have been extradited to China in the past, were detained, imprisoned, sentenced, tortured, executed, or disappeared after their return to China,” the exile group said.

The WUC said that following a series of violent attacks by Uyghurs on Chinese security personnel in Xinjiang over the last month, Pakistan immediately affirmed that it would extend its full support to China over the Uyghur issue.

“The WUC believes Pakistani authorities acted on request of the Chinese government in order to underline the positive relations between the two countries,” the group said.

It said that by extraditing the Uyghurs to China, Pakistan violated the U.N. Convention Against Torture (CAT) which prohibits parties from returning anyone to a state "where there are substantial grounds for believing that he would be in danger of being subjected to torture."

Group detained

Omer Uyghur said that he believed the five deportees may have been part of a larger group of 12 Uyghurs who were captured by police in western Pakistan last year as they made their way to Turkey to seek asylum. He said he was unsure what had become of the remaining seven.

He added that another Uyghur, named Omer Muhter, 33, has been missing from Rawalpindi in Pakistan since last January and may have been deported to China as well.

The group of 12 came from various parts of Xinjiang and had been living in Central Asian countries working as traders since the beginning of 2000, but after participating in activities sponsored by local Uyghur exiles, found themselves placed on a wanted list by police back home.

They gathered in Pakistan and decided to make their way through Iran to Turkey where they would apply for asylum, but were detained by authorities in the restive Pakistani province of Balochistan because they lacked the requisite travel documents. The next day, they were transferred to a jail in Islamabad.

While in detention in the capital, they met a Turkish citizen named Mujahid Elwerdi and asked him to pass on information about their case to the outside world.

Elwerdi mentioned the situation of the Uyghurs in a phone call to his father, Saleh Elwerdi, who then passed the information on to the East Turkestan Foundation in Turkey.

“The situation of these 12 Uyghurs is severe,” Mujahid Elwerdi told his father. “Their passports are fake and they have no money and one of their kids is sick. If they are deported back to China, they could face execution. You need to inform relevant groups of what is happening to them.”

In a telephone conversation last year in August, a staff member of the Turkish embassy in Islamabad named Ali Beg, confirmed that the group of Uyghurs were being held by Pakistani authorities.

However, Beg said that because the Uyghurs were not Turkish citizens, the embassy could not help them.

Threat of deportation

China has used its economic influence in the region to detain and repatriate a number of Uyghurs who have fled the country after being accused of carrying out “separatist” activities against the state.

Another Uyghur, Nur Muhemmed, was arrested by Thai authorities Saturday for illegally entering the country, and exile groups have expressed concern that he could be deported to China and face punishment.

Cambodia deported the majority of 22 Uyghurs who sought refuge status through the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) in Phnom Penh shortly after they fled China in the aftermath of deadly ethnic violence that gripped Urumqi in July 2009.

China also used its influence in May to convince Kazakh authorities to deport another Uyghur, Ershidin Israil, a former geography teacher, who was initially given refugee status by the UNHCR and accepted for resettlement by Sweden.

Reported by Shohret Hoshur for RFA’s Uyghur service. Translated by Mamatjan Juma. Written in English by Joshua Lipes.


http://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/pakistan-08102011175506.html



Chinese Consulate Pays Off Uyghurs in Pakistan For Dirt on Activists
2015-07-23

Omer Khan speaks to a group of Uyghurs in Rawalpindi, in a file photo.
RFA

Chinese consulate officials in Pakistan are distributing money to Uyghurs based there in exchange for information about activists campaigning against Chinese rule in the ethnic Muslim minority’s homeland in northwestern China’s Xinjiang region, according to local sources.

On July 19, Chinese consulates in Rawalpindi and Gilgit, in the north of Pakistan, held events to mark the end of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan and offered money to local Uyghurs who have provided them with “assistance,” Omer Khan, founder of the Pakistan-based Omer Uyghur Trust, told RFA’s Uyghur Service.

Officials at the consulate in Rawalpindi held the event at the home of Nasir Khan, the leader of the Overseas Chinese Association of Pakistan (OCAP)—a pro-Chinese organization of Uyghurs living in the country, Omer Khan said.

During the celebration, the officials provided U.S. $23,000 to OCAP, as well as U.S. $12,000 for a primary school, known as the Big Montessori School, the group established with help from the consulate in recent years, and an additional U.S. $10,000 to “closely cooperating members” of the organization, he said.

It was unclear who hosted the Chinese consulate event in Gilgit, or how much money officials presented to local Uyghurs.

Omer Khan said the consulate’s distribution of cash to sympathetic Uyghurs has been an annual occurrence in recent years meant to counter the influence of his organization, which aligns its interests with Uyghurs in Xinjiang who resent Chinese rule and harsh controls on their religion, culture and language.

“They give money every year to the [Uyghur] people who work for them,” he told RFA.

“Beijing is trying to undermine my activities by supporting a pro-China Uyghur organization [in Pakistan] and gives money to people who provide information about other Uyghur activists to the Chinese Embassy such as [senior OCAP official] Pasha Khan and other members of the group.”

More than 3,000 Uyghur families are believed to live in Pakistan, predominantly in the cities of Rawalpindi, Karachi, Gilgit, and the capital, Islamabad.

Rawalpindi is home to an estimated 1,000 Uyghurs, or about 300 Uyghur families—most of which moved to the city in 1960 from Hoten or Kashgar in China’s Xinjiang region, which abuts Pakistan on the 520-kilometer (300-mile) border the two countries share.

Uyghur exiles fear surveillance once they leave China, especially if they have left family behind, and they say their fears have worsened since deadly ethnic riots in July 2009—which prompted a major security crackdown. Xinjiang has been plagued in recent years by bombings, attacks, and riots that Chinese authorities blame on Uyghur separatists.

Omer Khan said that Chinese consulate officials have provided money to OCAP and sympathetic Uyghurs in the past, but this year was the first time they had “openly” rewarded them for providing information on community activists, angering many local Uyghurs who oppose Chinese rule in Xinjiang.

Pasha Khan refused to discuss OCAP’s relationship with the Chinese consulate or what the money would be used for with RFA, saying he was too busy to talk when contacted by phone.

‘We came from China’

Abdulhekim Hajim, a Uyghur who lives in Rawalpindi, said it was unclear why the Chinese consulate had “shown so much fondness” towards the Uyghur community in recent years.

“They distribute money to regular Uyghurs every now and then—they distribute it and we Uyghurs pick it up and spend it,” he said.

“I think the reason they do it is because they know our community came from China originally and they feel that they should help us because of that. They haven’t asked us to do anything for them. We don’t know why the Chinese consulate has become so close to us all of a sudden.”

China and Pakistan enjoy good relations, he said, and “we Pakistani citizens like it this way.”

Hajim said that before the consulate began organizing annual events at the home of Nasir Khan, he used to attend similar events hosted by Khan’s brother, Pakistan-born Uyghur businessmen Raza Khan, who was appointed president of the OCAP and led the organization up until his death two years ago.

Recent harassment

Abdukeyyim Shemshidin, a Uyghur activist in Rawalpindi, told RFA that the Chinese consulate had only begun courting local Uyghurs after the Omer Uyghur Trust established a primary school known as the Omer Uyghur Language School, in the city in 2009.

“We had never seen people such as Pasha Khan in the community before—they only came here after our activities were recognized [by the Chinese consulate],” he said.

He said the consulate gave money to OCAP to set up its own primary school for Uyghurs, which taught lessons in Mandarin Chinese and promoted Beijing’s rule in Xinjiang, and pressured local Uyghur families to send their children there, instead of to the school built by the Omer Uyghur Trust.

OCAP also offered to pay for the education of Uyghur children at its school and through high school, causing the Omer Uyghur Language School to lose enrollment and forcing it to close down in 2010.

“China helped them close down our school and undermine our other activities,” Shemshidin said.

“They were worried our activists here would gain greater influence and instill ideas of independence in the minds of other Uyghurs, so [the OCAP members] were encouraged to come here.”

Use of funds

Shemshidin also expressed concern over the U.S. $45,000 donated by the consulate to OCAP last week because there is no way to monitor how the funds will be used.

“The Chinese are giving money to the school [OCAP] opened, and there is no doubt that China is also using money to buy supporters and sow disunity within the Uyghur community here,” he said.

According to Shemshidin, it was unclear how the consulate had been rewarding “those who are working for them covertly.”

“We believed that China gave them a number of benefits before, such as allowing them to import Chinese goods here without any tariffs, funding their businesses and so on,” he said.

“Now they are being rewarded openly, but it won’t stop us from speaking out about China’s repressive policies towards Uyghurs.”

Reported by Mihray Abdilim and Kutluk Haji Kadiri for RFA’s Uyghur Service. Translated by Mamatjan Juma. Written in English by Joshua Lipes.


http://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/pakistan-07232015145425.html

 

[maximuswarrior]

If Pakistan is genuine on Islamic ummah then it would accept more Afghans and Rohingyas.

The less said about Pakistan's stance on the Uyghurs the better.

We are fine wih Rohingya. You Indians can take your Afghan brothers.

So Afghans are racist towards Pakistan ?
Strange

We are not the ones making bold claims about being the heroes of Afghanistan. You Indians on the other hand are acting like you are the Mother Theresa of Afghanistan. The onus is now on India to put money where its mouth is. Take your Afghan brothers to your country. Don't make up excuses. The Afghans love you and consider you to be their saviors. Take these savages in.

The question is, Does Pakistan provide moral support to Uighurs like it to does in other cases? The answer is clear NO. In fact Pakistan has been actively supporting China by either bribing refugees to extract information or deporting the others who do not subscribe to China-Pakistan line. Any and all Uighurs in Pakistan are nothing but caged prisoners.

So much for the your claimed brotherhood with the fellow Turks.


Pakistan Deports Uyghurs
Five Uyghurs have been sent back to China, where they face punishment.
2011-08-10

Chinese security forces patrol central Kashgar, Aug. 2, 2011.
AFP

Pakistani authorities have deported five ethnic Uyghurs to China’s northwestern Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region where they may face persecution on their return, according to the head of a Uyghur exile group.

“According to the information we received, all five were Uyghurs,” said Omer Khan, the founder of the Omer Uyghur Foundation in the Pakistani capital of Islamabad.

They were believed to have been forcibly repatriated this week to Xinjiang, where Uyghurs say they have long suffered ethnic discrimination, oppressive religious controls, and continued poverty and joblessness.

“The deportation of Uyghurs is happening a lot these days [in Pakistan], but this is one of the rare cases which has been exposed to the media,” Omer Khan said.

On Tuesday, the Pakistani newspaper Dawn reported that five “Chinese citizens” had been arrested in different parts of the country and deported on Monday.

The report claimed that the group, which included two children and a woman, was brought to Benazir Bhutto International Airport where they boarded flight CZ6008 operated by China’s Southern Airline to Urumqi, the capital of Xinjiang.

Dawn quoted an unnamed source who said that another “Chinese national,” Abduxur Ablmit, was to accompany “his compatriots,” but was offloaded because the flight captain refused to accept him for “unspecified reasons.”

“Ablmit, blindfolded and handcuffed like the other five, had been allotted a seat on the flight,” the newspaper reported.

Dawn also identified one of the five as Manzokra Mamad, who it said was accompanied by a young girl and boy.

The report said that the reason for the deportation was unclear, but noted that Pakistani security agencies had extradited “Xinjiang separatists” before on at least three occasions—14 in 1997, seven in 2002, and nine in 2009.

Pakistani authorities could not be reached for comment on the deportation or the identities of those involved.

“We have been able to confirm the names of two people—Abdushukur Ablimit and Menzire Memet,” Omer Khan said.

Exile reaction

The Munich-based World Uyghur Congress (WUC) issued a statement Wednesday condemning “in the strongest possible terms” Pakistan’s decision to extradite the five Uyghurs, saying the group “will face harsh punishment.”

“Uyghurs who have been extradited to China in the past, were detained, imprisoned, sentenced, tortured, executed, or disappeared after their return to China,” the exile group said.

The WUC said that following a series of violent attacks by Uyghurs on Chinese security personnel in Xinjiang over the last month, Pakistan immediately affirmed that it would extend its full support to China over the Uyghur issue.

“The WUC believes Pakistani authorities acted on request of the Chinese government in order to underline the positive relations between the two countries,” the group said.

It said that by extraditing the Uyghurs to China, Pakistan violated the U.N. Convention Against Torture (CAT) which prohibits parties from returning anyone to a state "where there are substantial grounds for believing that he would be in danger of being subjected to torture."

Group detained

Omer Uyghur said that he believed the five deportees may have been part of a larger group of 12 Uyghurs who were captured by police in western Pakistan last year as they made their way to Turkey to seek asylum. He said he was unsure what had become of the remaining seven.

He added that another Uyghur, named Omer Muhter, 33, has been missing from Rawalpindi in Pakistan since last January and may have been deported to China as well.

The group of 12 came from various parts of Xinjiang and had been living in Central Asian countries working as traders since the beginning of 2000, but after participating in activities sponsored by local Uyghur exiles, found themselves placed on a wanted list by police back home.

They gathered in Pakistan and decided to make their way through Iran to Turkey where they would apply for asylum, but were detained by authorities in the restive Pakistani province of Balochistan because they lacked the requisite travel documents. The next day, they were transferred to a jail in Islamabad.

While in detention in the capital, they met a Turkish citizen named Mujahid Elwerdi and asked him to pass on information about their case to the outside world.

Elwerdi mentioned the situation of the Uyghurs in a phone call to his father, Saleh Elwerdi, who then passed the information on to the East Turkestan Foundation in Turkey.

“The situation of these 12 Uyghurs is severe,” Mujahid Elwerdi told his father. “Their passports are fake and they have no money and one of their kids is sick. If they are deported back to China, they could face execution. You need to inform relevant groups of what is happening to them.”

In a telephone conversation last year in August, a staff member of the Turkish embassy in Islamabad named Ali Beg, confirmed that the group of Uyghurs were being held by Pakistani authorities.

However, Beg said that because the Uyghurs were not Turkish citizens, the embassy could not help them.

Threat of deportation

China has used its economic influence in the region to detain and repatriate a number of Uyghurs who have fled the country after being accused of carrying out “separatist” activities against the state.

Another Uyghur, Nur Muhemmed, was arrested by Thai authorities Saturday for illegally entering the country, and exile groups have expressed concern that he could be deported to China and face punishment.

Cambodia deported the majority of 22 Uyghurs who sought refuge status through the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) in Phnom Penh shortly after they fled China in the aftermath of deadly ethnic violence that gripped Urumqi in July 2009.

China also used its influence in May to convince Kazakh authorities to deport another Uyghur, Ershidin Israil, a former geography teacher, who was initially given refugee status by the UNHCR and accepted for resettlement by Sweden.

Reported by Shohret Hoshur for RFA’s Uyghur service. Translated by Mamatjan Juma. Written in English by Joshua Lipes.


http://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/pakistan-08102011175506.html



Chinese Consulate Pays Off Uyghurs in Pakistan For Dirt on Activists
2015-07-23

Omer Khan speaks to a group of Uyghurs in Rawalpindi, in a file photo.
RFA

Chinese consulate officials in Pakistan are distributing money to Uyghurs based there in exchange for information about activists campaigning against Chinese rule in the ethnic Muslim minority’s homeland in northwestern China’s Xinjiang region, according to local sources.

On July 19, Chinese consulates in Rawalpindi and Gilgit, in the north of Pakistan, held events to mark the end of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan and offered money to local Uyghurs who have provided them with “assistance,” Omer Khan, founder of the Pakistan-based Omer Uyghur Trust, told RFA’s Uyghur Service.

Officials at the consulate in Rawalpindi held the event at the home of Nasir Khan, the leader of the Overseas Chinese Association of Pakistan (OCAP)—a pro-Chinese organization of Uyghurs living in the country, Omer Khan said.

During the celebration, the officials provided U.S. $23,000 to OCAP, as well as U.S. $12,000 for a primary school, known as the Big Montessori School, the group established with help from the consulate in recent years, and an additional U.S. $10,000 to “closely cooperating members” of the organization, he said.

It was unclear who hosted the Chinese consulate event in Gilgit, or how much money officials presented to local Uyghurs.

Omer Khan said the consulate’s distribution of cash to sympathetic Uyghurs has been an annual occurrence in recent years meant to counter the influence of his organization, which aligns its interests with Uyghurs in Xinjiang who resent Chinese rule and harsh controls on their religion, culture and language.

“They give money every year to the [Uyghur] people who work for them,” he told RFA.

“Beijing is trying to undermine my activities by supporting a pro-China Uyghur organization [in Pakistan] and gives money to people who provide information about other Uyghur activists to the Chinese Embassy such as [senior OCAP official] Pasha Khan and other members of the group.”

More than 3,000 Uyghur families are believed to live in Pakistan, predominantly in the cities of Rawalpindi, Karachi, Gilgit, and the capital, Islamabad.

Rawalpindi is home to an estimated 1,000 Uyghurs, or about 300 Uyghur families—most of which moved to the city in 1960 from Hoten or Kashgar in China’s Xinjiang region, which abuts Pakistan on the 520-kilometer (300-mile) border the two countries share.

Uyghur exiles fear surveillance once they leave China, especially if they have left family behind, and they say their fears have worsened since deadly ethnic riots in July 2009—which prompted a major security crackdown. Xinjiang has been plagued in recent years by bombings, attacks, and riots that Chinese authorities blame on Uyghur separatists.

Omer Khan said that Chinese consulate officials have provided money to OCAP and sympathetic Uyghurs in the past, but this year was the first time they had “openly” rewarded them for providing information on community activists, angering many local Uyghurs who oppose Chinese rule in Xinjiang.

Pasha Khan refused to discuss OCAP’s relationship with the Chinese consulate or what the money would be used for with RFA, saying he was too busy to talk when contacted by phone.

‘We came from China’

Abdulhekim Hajim, a Uyghur who lives in Rawalpindi, said it was unclear why the Chinese consulate had “shown so much fondness” towards the Uyghur community in recent years.

“They distribute money to regular Uyghurs every now and then—they distribute it and we Uyghurs pick it up and spend it,” he said.

“I think the reason they do it is because they know our community came from China originally and they feel that they should help us because of that. They haven’t asked us to do anything for them. We don’t know why the Chinese consulate has become so close to us all of a sudden.”

China and Pakistan enjoy good relations, he said, and “we Pakistani citizens like it this way.”

Hajim said that before the consulate began organizing annual events at the home of Nasir Khan, he used to attend similar events hosted by Khan’s brother, Pakistan-born Uyghur businessmen Raza Khan, who was appointed president of the OCAP and led the organization up until his death two years ago.

Recent harassment

Abdukeyyim Shemshidin, a Uyghur activist in Rawalpindi, told RFA that the Chinese consulate had only begun courting local Uyghurs after the Omer Uyghur Trust established a primary school known as the Omer Uyghur Language School, in the city in 2009.

“We had never seen people such as Pasha Khan in the community before—they only came here after our activities were recognized [by the Chinese consulate],” he said.

He said the consulate gave money to OCAP to set up its own primary school for Uyghurs, which taught lessons in Mandarin Chinese and promoted Beijing’s rule in Xinjiang, and pressured local Uyghur families to send their children there, instead of to the school built by the Omer Uyghur Trust.

OCAP also offered to pay for the education of Uyghur children at its school and through high school, causing the Omer Uyghur Language School to lose enrollment and forcing it to close down in 2010.

“China helped them close down our school and undermine our other activities,” Shemshidin said.

“They were worried our activists here would gain greater influence and instill ideas of independence in the minds of other Uyghurs, so [the OCAP members] were encouraged to come here.”

Use of funds

Shemshidin also expressed concern over the U.S. $45,000 donated by the consulate to OCAP last week because there is no way to monitor how the funds will be used.

“The Chinese are giving money to the school [OCAP] opened, and there is no doubt that China is also using money to buy supporters and sow disunity within the Uyghur community here,” he said.

According to Shemshidin, it was unclear how the consulate had been rewarding “those who are working for them covertly.”

“We believed that China gave them a number of benefits before, such as allowing them to import Chinese goods here without any tariffs, funding their businesses and so on,” he said.

“Now they are being rewarded openly, but it won’t stop us from speaking out about China’s repressive policies towards Uyghurs.”

Reported by Mihray Abdilim and Kutluk Haji Kadiri for RFA’s Uyghur Service. Translated by Mamatjan Juma. Written in English by Joshua Lipes.


http://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/pakistan-07232015145425.html

You are blaming Pakistan? Even the Turks don't take them in. Stop shedding crocodile tears. We will cooperate with China which is our ally. Don't be jealous now.

When will India stop discriminating against its own people such as the Dalit? You higher caste Indians aren't even loyal towards your own kind. Don't lecture Pakistanis about brotherhood when you Indians discriminate against your own brothers and sisters.

 

[dadeechi]

You are blaming Pakistan? Even the Turks don't take them in. Stop shedding crocodile tears. We will cooperate with China which is our ally. Don't be jealous now.

If there is any country in this world that cares for the Uighurs then it is Turkey.

Now are you casting aspersions on Turkey's support to Uighurs ?

 

[maximuswarrior]

If there is any country in this world that cares for the Uighurs then it is Turkey.

Now are you casting aspersions on Turkey's support to Uighurs ?

Why are you ignoring my question regarding the Dalits? You preach us about brotherhood, but you are the biggest offender of treating your own blood as crap.

 

[HttpError]

Indians and Nepalis dont require visas

Einstein, I could have names EUROPE.

 

[dadeechi]

Why are you if ignoring my question regarding the Dalits? You preach us about brotherhood, but you are the biggest offender of treating your own blood as crap.

The issue is Pakistan does lip service to Islamic brotherhood and then wonders why countries from Turkey to Saudi Arabia to Iran to Afghanistan are supporting India.

If Pakistan's preaching were genuine and backed up by practice/actions on ground it would have got better support from them.

 

[That Guy]

Since the sabotage of the last peace talks, Pakistan has had a zero tolerance policy. Go back a few years, Pakistan would have backed down, in order to appease Kabul, but Pakistan has finally come to realize that backing down has only harmed Pakistan.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

If Pakistan is genuine on Islamic ummah then it would accept more Afghans and Rohingyas.

The less said about Pakistan's stance on the Uyghurs the better.

We have 1 million Rohingyas .. 3 mil bangalis and over 5 million afghans ..1 million + others from as far as Somalia... And hundreds of thousands of Uighurs who are now Pak citizens settled in RWP and GB mostly.. I

Now since you guys and afghanis are homies why don't you take em ? Help your homies in need.

The issue is Pakistan does lip service to Islamic brotherhood and then wonders why countries from Turkey to Saudi Arabia to Iran to Afghanistan are supporting India.

If Pakistan's preaching were genuine and backed up by practice/actions on ground it would have got better support from them.

On what?
http://iran-times.com/khamenehi-says-kashmir-oppressed/

https://defence.pk/threads/turkey-pledges-to-back-pakistan-on-kashmir.442524/


http://www.telegraphindia.com/1160414/jsp/nation/story_80057.jsp

https://defence.pk/threads/saudi-snub-on-kashmir.426944/

http://dailykashmirimages.com/Detai...-internal-problem-of-india-pakistani-official

 

[A-Team]

Since the sabotage of the last peace talks, Pakistan has had a zero tolerance policy. Go back a few years, Pakistan would have backed down, in order to appease Kabul, but Pakistan has finally come to realize that backing down has only harmed Pakistan.

Backing down ? incase you missed the Tali Burka offensive is on. What else can the GHQ do? Your proxies are in full drive trying to take over Afghanistan.

I always say , people who work , pay taxes (have history of tax filing) and have no crime record let them stay

Target the ones "that are bombing places" and their center is in Kabul which has to be controlled

Afghan "Unclaimed Territory" should be claimed by hoisting Pakistani flag over Kabul

• Demolish their broken government
• Turn off the radio
  
• Take over the newspaper
• End the safe heaven in Afghanistan (Terrorist land) and then flush the rats hiding in Pakistan

Once the mouth piece is gone , people will go back to working and jobs


Right now we are letting a snake grow in our backyard all these humvees , and weapons going there in container will make snake stronger , and it does not goes after terrorist camps these weapons are being used to fire into Pakisatan

Why is there a problem in Turkey -> Kurds (Getting weapons - goods , you name it )
Why is there a problem in Pakistan ->Afghanistan( Getting weapons-good , you name it)

What happens in a country when 2 factions are created with weapon , Look at Syria.
Syria is a prime example of what happens when outside nations supply weapons into a Sovereign state

Iraq - Libya - Syria , are all example of state were tones of weapons were dropped into state players (2 -3 factions) , and central governments were dislodged

Speaking of Afghanistan, Infact not long ago a shipment went from our own (Pakistani) Port Trucks, Humvees, Guns and then what they are firing on our border. Into Pakistani border same weapons

There is a stash of weapon left in Afghanistan - who is this for ?

Untill the two nations (Turkey/Pakistan) will not launch major offensive the bombings will continue and disruption will continue

Pushing immigrants or people who want to work or live will not solve the issue



This is afghanistan

Papa snake , and then million of tiny snakes all living happily in Afghanistan crawling out

Kurds are being given weapons to go against Turkey
Afghan Terrorist (Living in Afghanistan) are given weapons to go against Pakistan

See the world does not care they are enjoying Olympics and going to concerts and Movies and all fancy stuff , tomorrow someone will fly a bomber plane over Pakistan or Turkey and drop a weapon on Building and say oh we don't know .... who dropped the bomb we were going against ISIS or what ever

• Bombings happened over syria , no problem , Olympic is not disrupted
  
• There is no candle light
  
• Elled De generes was riding over Usaian bolt (this is what people cared about)
  
• There were lot of sport events happening all 100 not effected by the booming in Syria
• UN was god don't know what they were doing
• People of world were watching Ibrahimovic score goals in Man United debut

And what were people doing in Pakistan

• 4-5 Politicians were debating about corruption charges and demonstration , this was there priority on tv for 2-3 hours
• It was a lame show but they were discussing meaningless political discussion

Only Solution:

• Turkey takes out Kurds - militants - No fly zone established
  
• Pakistan neutralizes Afghanistan takes it over - No fly zone established
  
• Pakisatan- Turkey - Saudia - Egypt launch strike in Syria (Ground Operation - No fly zone)
• 30 Day grace period offered to ISIS to lay down weapons in Iraq, otherwise (Ground Operation - No fly zone)

The Immigrants are never the problem the problem is always "Militancy" and rouge factions who get the weapons from Afganistan-Kurd areas , and some are born out of circumstances like ISIS etc

The only Long term solution is not kicking out Immigrants or women or children but it is taking an offensive approach against Militant groups who receive weapons and later this weapon falls into rouge forces

Never forget - even Prophet Mohammad was a Immigrant to Madina he was originally a resident of Makkah, and was forced to immigrate due to extremism in Makkah during early parts of our history

Bet the stuff you were smoking were pretty strong while rumbling this comment Turkey/Pak no fly zones... blah blah.

 

[cloud4000]

I think it is the best time to send those #Namak-Harams back, especially from Baluchistan. Any Pakistani who still has any sympathy left for them should think twice. I think we had enough of them, if we can't send them back now we never will. With each passing day all Pakistanis are able to see their true colors. I don't know why we fools can't take any strong action. Name a single country which allows other country people cross borders without VISA ?

US has a program that allows visa-free travel with 40 plus countries. Perhaps you meant passport?