Is human a purpose or mean to a purpose ?

[El Sidd]

Humans are end in themselves or means to an end , that's what I meant .

Humans are considered a form of an energy.

Every energy has a purpose in a closed system.

 

[chander_011]

Life is nature's gift to humans. We humans should respect the nature which gifted us everything. Neither nature has any purpose with humans nor human life has any purpose. Anybody can evolve any theory but fact of the matter is, there is no purpose of life.

 

[Well.wisher]

Humans are considered a form of an energy.

Every energy has a purpose in a closed system.

What could be that purpose in your opinion ?

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Well.wisher

It is the quest, not the end of it.

At my age, all I can find to say to you young people about the end that lies ahead is this:

Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

 

[newb3e]

another gem!! pdf is awesome!

thankyou @Well.wisher

 

[Well.wisher]

@Well.wisher

It is the quest, not the end of it.

At my age, all I can find to say to you young people about the end that lies ahead is this:

Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

You are awesome !

 

[El Sidd]

What could be that purpose in your opinion ?

Anything....

Actions that appear random only perform a bigger task on bigger level

Even magnetic field variations cause by mere thoughts are known to scientists.

The purpose question is more philosophical since no definite answer can be accepted scientifically.

Even human dna is basically a mathematical coding with triggers and landmarks which interestingly enough can be influenced through meager means.

 

[PakSword]

I donot understand personal attacks on me by u and that ocean . It's just a philosophical discussion I'm having with those who really worth it . Perhaps u lack the intelligence to be productive to a discussion that's y u keep resorting to personal attacks .

Please stop talking and don't comment on my topics.
Thankyou bye .. Please don't reply .

This is not your personal forum. or it is not your personal property.. And yes, I will not quote your msgs.. but I will respond on the threads as I like..

Thanks and bye..

 

[scorpionx]

Not to rule over others but to explore millions of other species and every shit in this universe. The difference about the human and millions of other species perhaps is the curiosity.

If you look at our history over the last 70,000 years actually we are trying to rule only, make ourselves dominant over other species all around the world. Since Sapiens decided to leave their East African homeland for the second time, around 70,000 years ago, they virtually made other human species extinct. Modern human genes hardly have any traces of our Homo neanderthalensis or rudolfensis DNA. Around 45,000 years ago, all big creatures of Australia started to become extinct. It particularly coincides with exactly the same time when the first Afro-Asian human set foot on this continent. Around 800 years ago, when the first Maoris arrived, New Zealand lost all its major species and sixty percent of its birds. This list goes longer and longer, throughout history, from the days of early apes to till date. Most of the large animals that survived the onslaught of our ancestors disappeared or are almost on the verge of being extinct today, be it Tasmanian tigers, American cape buffalos or Asian/Siberian Tigers. Our forefathers were explorers but they were certainly not naturalists.

It is not the curiosity that makes us much different from other species. It is our better cognitive skills that made the difference. It is the very forbidden fruit that our ancestors swallowed around 70,000 years back. Despite being much smaller in size than their Eurasian neighbors or say, the arctic mammoths, our ancestors beat them out of this planet because of their better organizational skill, better coordination between bands.

As for the original question, whether Human is a purpose or mean to a purpose, let see how we defined our purposes so far. We mark our civilizational success keeping in mind our agricultural revolution, domestication of animals, organized societies, large cities, back to back Industrial and political revolution few centuries ago. But still we could not get rid of our hunter gatherer instinct; Our subconscious ego has not changed at all as it could not outpace the post cognitive revolution changes in human societies around the world. We are still animals deep inside our heart. With each and every revolution our ancestors longed for better lives for their successors but that goal remained forever elusive. It is my opinion that, being an accidental product of natural selection just like other organisms we have no real purpose other than only to become extinct (like many others who might laugh at us from heaven if there is any) from this very earth; Be it from some ecological catastrophes, or self inflicted irreversible damages.

 

[Spring Onion]

If you look at our history over the last 70,000 years actually we are trying to rule only, make ourselves dominant over other species all around the world. Since Sapiens decided to leave their East African homeland for the second time, around 70,000 years ago, they virtually made other human species extinct. Modern human genes hardly have any traces of our Homo neanderthalensis or rudolfensis DNA. Around 45,000 years ago, all big creatures of Australia started to become extinct. It particularly coincides with exactly the same time when the first Afro-Asian human set foot on this continent. Around 800 years ago, when the first Maoris arrived, New Zealand lost all its major species and sixty percent of its birds. This list goes longer and longer, throughout history, from the days of early apes to till date. Most of the large animals that survived the onslaught of our ancestors disappeared or are almost on the verge of being extinct today, be it Tasmanian tigers, American cape buffalos or Asian/Siberian Tigers. Our forefathers were explorers but they were certainly not naturalists.

It is not the curiosity that makes us much different from other species. It is our better cognitive skills that made the difference. It is the very forbidden fruit that our ancestors swallowed around 70,000 years back. Despite being much smaller in size than their Eurasian neighbors or say, the arctic mammoths, our ancestors beat them out of this planet because of their better organizational skill, better coordination between bands.

As for the original question, whether Human is a purpose or mean to a purpose, let see how we defined our purposes so far. We mark our civilizational success keeping in mind our agricultural revolution, domestication of animals, organized societies, large cities, back to back Industrial and political revolution few centuries ago. But still we could not get rid of our hunter gatherer instinct; Our subconscious ego has not changed at all as it could not outpace the post cognitive revolution changes in human societies around the world. We are still animals deep inside our heart. With each and every revolution our ancestors longed for better lives for their successors but that goal remained forever elusive. It is my opinion that, being an accidental product of natural selection just like other organisms we have no real purpose other than only to become extinct (like many others who might laugh at us from heaven if there is any) from this very earth; Be it from some ecological catastrophes, or self inflicted irreversible damages.

All the above you have mentioned and elaborated points to one thing about human and that is their attempts at perpetual existence So I believe we are not going to extinct till end of the time

 

[scorpionx]

All the above you have mentioned and elaborated points to one thing about human and that is their attempts at perpetual existence So I believe we are not going to extinct till end of the time

Our world is changing too fast since the last Ice age. You know, our attempts at perpetual existence have often backfired? For example, our present day medical complexities like slip disc, hernia, arthritis were unknown to our foraging ancestors and are a typical post Agricultural civilizational trademark. Our brains have shrunk in size since our foraging hunter gatherer forefathers settled down on fertile deltas of Nile and Yangtze. As organized creature, we made collective success but as Individuals our intellectual capacity did not improve. The way today's scientists are challenging the billion years old kingship of natural selection, who knows in future human intellectual collectivism will not be overrun by their successors whose culture, emotions, thought pattern will no longer remain human like if I take natural extinction a far distant possibility?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

By excluding religion, you've defeated your own question.

 

[Imran Khan]

this is really funny man .uncountable humans come and go since known first human 2.8 million-year-old specimen. we are living on a tiny plant which is rounding one of billions of billions of starts of milky way galaxy .a galaxy which its self rounding and is one of billion of billions of galaxies . what purpose can be of this tiny planet and a micro human ?just enjoy your damn micro time and disappear

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Dum vivimus, vivamus, Horace (Since we are living, let us live well)

This quote is applicable in boht cases whether you believe that your life or death is random event( Non religious views) or you were created by God and believe that there is preordained purpose to human existence( Religious perspective). You actually exist in boht cases and did not came into existence by your own will/choice so try to make best out of your existence i.e try to be useful/honorable/compassionate and make some differnce that you lived and lived well. There are some extremely talented people out there who never contriubute anything to society and leave no legacy behind which is very unfortunate

 

[Village life]

Well leaving religion apart, just argue the fact ,why in the process of evolution the only men have achieved the highest level ? Why not any other species ? Are the humans are the oldest ancestoral inhabitants of this universe? If not then leave the science here, and jump to believe that we are the most fittest of All but its not the process of naturel selection nor the Darwins theory,we are purposely selected to be the superior of all,