Is Hindi-Urdu Closer to Persian or Turkic?

[Joe Shearer]

Michel Danino??
What's wrong with him???
Whatever I read in his book are consistent with the findings of excavations at Dholavira and other SSC sites (by RS Bhist).

Please don't get me started on the neo-Hindu revisionist school of pseudo-history. Please. Have mercy.

 

[Levina]

Please don't get me started on the neo-Hindu revisionist school of pseudo-history. Please. Have mercy.

Pseudo history???
Lol
Which part of his book or speeches do you think can be bracketed as "pseudo-history"?
Mr.Joe Shearer, let me hear your version of history.

Edit:
The discovery of knives and metallic objects from 2000bc were not related to Michel Danino.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Pseudo history???
Lol
Which part of his book or speeches do you think can be bracketed as "pseudo-history"?
Mr.Joe Shearer, let me hear your version of history.

Edit:
The discovery of knives and metallic objects from 2000bc were not related to Michel Danino.

Don't be silly.

There're dozens of things written by the pseudo-historians. It would take a book to refute them or even show up their disjointed thinking. Do you seriously think that these can be summarised into a few lines on an Internet forum?

 

[Levina]

Don't be silly.

There're dozens of things written by the pseudo-historians. It would take a book to refute them or even show up their disjointed thinking. Do you seriously think that these can be summarised into a few lines on an Internet forum?

I wasn't expecting a book either.
You could have produced atleast an argument to prove Michel Danino wrong.
You're clearly circumventing it.



1) The discovery of Iron is not related to Michel Danino.

2) This was your statement

The Aryan-speaking immigrants are probably the ones responsible for the introduction of iron, and the dates, 2400 BC to 1800 BC, are not inconsistent with that advent

How did you round up on 2400BC???
What makes you believe that it was the "Aryans" who introduced Iron in India???


3) Rare discovery pushes back Iron Age in India - The Times of India

Those objects were found in Telangana.
The place doesn't have a port and is not situated close to borders to have been influenced by the lifestyle of ppl living in the northwest easily. The report clearly says the carbon dated objects belong to 2200BC which means Indians used this metal 1000yrs before the ppl in Anatolia started producing it.

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If you think this discussion will lot lead to any logical conclusion then we can discontinue it here.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I wasn't expecting a book either.
You could have produced atleast an argument to prove Michel Danino wrong.
You're clearly circumventing it.



1) The discovery of Iron is not related to Michel Danino.

2) This was your statement

How did you round up on 2400BC???
What makes you believe that it was the "Aryans" who introduced Iron in India???


3) Rare discovery pushes back Iron Age in India - The Times of India

Those objects were found in Telangana.
The place doesn't have a port and is not situated close to borders to have been influenced by the lifestyle of ppl living in the northwest easily. The report clearly says the carbon dated objects belong to 2200BC which means Indians used this metal 1000yrs before the ppl in Anatolia started producing it.

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If you think this discussion will lot lead to any logical conclusion then we can discontinue it here.

Circumvent?

Go through the archives first.

 

[Levina]

Circumvent?

Go through the archives first.

Did I miss something?

 

[Shamain]

Cossacks were serfs who escaped and set up communes in the steppes. They were of russian ethnicity.
Hussars were a heavy cavalry unit, nothing to do with ethnicity. There were tatar light cavalry units in polish lithuanian confederation, they were called lipka

How did u learn this?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Cossacks were serfs who escaped and set up communes in the steppes. They were of russian ethnicity.
Hussars were a heavy cavalry unit, nothing to do with ethnicity. There were tatar light cavalry units in polish lithuanian confederation, they were called lipka

Remember, if taken prisoner and interrogated, only your name, rank and identification number.

 

[Butchcassidy]

How did u learn this?

Read a book on polish lithuanian confederation and history of russia years back

Remember, if taken prisoner and interrogated, only your name, rank and identification number.

Reading books on history had been a hobby , no times for books now.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

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[Shamain]

Read a book on polish lithuanian confederation and history of russia years back


Reading books on history had been a hobby , no times for books now.

Ohhhhhhhhhh soooooo thatssss y u knowwwwww. I was also feeling surprised how do uknow those gajilion odd sounding words.

 

[Shamain]

I beg your pardon. I am not at all in the business of linguistic jingoism. And there was nothing in all that I explained, none of which you have even tried to refute except with a mild bleat of protest, that changes the name of Urdu to Hindi.

There is a huge difference. Only dodos and wannabe urdu speakers and wannabe pakistanis cant see. And we wont help such ppl because we enjoy watching them try hard to be like us....one such example is yourself . Boooooooo!!!!!!

An understandable conclusion, from your point of view, because I seriously think that your posts are among the most stupid that I have had the misfortune to deal with. So that is why my posts are littered with personal insults when it comes to your posts, because I hate stupid. Keep pitying, or doing whatever else you want to do; just don't post silly things.

If u claim to be a man whose older than many here...than imust say ifeel sorry fr u...that none of ur life experiences taught u to respect others. U have some most insult filled posts and have no respect for others....that shows u wasted most of urlife and didnt learn anything. I pity ppl like you.

Oh yea and i also know how u go all fawning before moderators and title holders but go super insulting on normal posters but then u are a nobody that iwud care much abt.

And if u find my posts silly i find urs more absurd and crappy and im happy if my posts rile u up. Iwill try making them more like that. Its fun to watch when u hop around reacting to what ipost and also when go all over the place with ur weird and at times incorrectly used verbiage and ur attempts to hide ur lack of arguements behind those flowery words.

You know this is the origin of these languages? Which languages? As far as you are concerned, they are all an alphabet soup. There is no evidence in any single one of your posts that you know which language belongs to which group, or that there are wide gaps between Arabic and Persian and Turkic, or that Persian and Hindi belong to the same language family. Just saying, after you have been found in all your ignorance, that you knew all along hardly cuts it.

Yeahhh i knew the origin , and why am i supposed to prove it before you?? Is this the first time ihave discussed languages with ppl? And even on this forum.

I never said urdu is from turkic ..i even wrote that on prev pages. I very well know abt urdus origins and khaari boli.

Umm, the village idiot remains the same. Hint: have you a mirror nearby?

Mirror screamed its only Joe shearer

You said and did nothing that upgrades your status; you remain the village idiot. And it won't change till your level of knowledge changes.

Dont try to part with ur title like this. Its gonna stick to u like ur shadow

Just proves my point.

Hahaha u can only make this point " . " , and that too with pencil and no other point except for that.

English has tons of loan words; that doesn't make the language French, or German, or even Hindi, considering the original sources of those words.

It isnt just loan words, many words urdu uses are from the arabic root words ,...but as urdu lang has vastly been worked on and developed those root words have been used to make new words for urdu which are not even used in arabic.
Duh!!!
Loan words ....pata tau hai nahi kuch talking so loudly.

Of course most of the words in the original post were not Hindi; they were grafts onto the original grammatical structure - it has been noted that you don't particularly relish grammar, or mentions of grammar - but that makes it a variation of the grafted original. Not a separate language. No more than using words of French or German origin makes English either equal to French or to German, or makes one person's English more or less English than another person's.

U have been acting so idiotic by trying to prove that urdu has actually come out of hindi and they both are same. Such kind of stupidity and biasedness cud only be expected from an indian.

Urdu and hindi cud be called parallel languages both coming from some common source but cud never be called as one or claimed that one comes from the other.

Even the basic grammar of both two langs is different n urdu uses pronouns whose traces are not to be slightly found in hindi.

U are too loud abt urdu grammar , right? Somday pick up urdu grammar book and read up on it ...u indians will understand zilch from it....it is so rich and extensive and so different from Hindi. Who the heck are u trying to fool here.

Hindi itself borrows entire vocabulary from sankrit, if i play ur news bulletins i get almost zilch...and wt i get is mostly by guess job.

There is a difference in hindi and urdu....hindi was a sanskrit based lang where no such work was ever done in growing and developing its voc ..all the words she took were coming from sanskrit , but Urdu's case is diff.....its not that urdu just borrowed from here and there.....urdu borrowed many words but developed her own voc, structure .... Urdu language has been extensively worked on and has its own unique voc totally away from persian ,arabic, and hindi.
If i speak pure urdu u will not understand me much.
Tell me a common indian can explain this ,
"Us nay apni shamsher say namaqool dushamn ka qila qama kar diya"

Yes i do know they will understand usnay apni etc etc but does that make both languages same? I have given a very simple example above there can be lot mny more complex ones.

And now u indians hardly have any real hindi left with you. Yes u guys have made ur hindi totally urdufied because ...thats the way to cpture pakistan audiences for ur bollywood and also cuz Urdu appeals to indian masses compared to the sanskrit laden langauge ..and if hindi is going to borow from turkish,persian and arabic then she will not remain hindi.....because this is why hindi was made .... to be distinguished from urdu and heavily borrowing frm sanskrit ....language of veda ...a language that hindus could connect with just as in those times urdu used to get associated with muslims.

And again iwill say u indians hardly have any hindi left with u , u guys have turned it into urdu with one or two hindi words pinned here and there. These copycats have the face to teach us pakistanis abt languages duhh!!

It will take some a long time, perhaps their whole lives, on the present evidence.

Yes like u make a good example of that kind of ppl.

So much for your knowledge.

You obviously don't know that there are literally dozens of languages which do not follow the same forms of masculine and feminine as Hindi does - or as Urdu does in an identical manner. When someone from a different language background - a Tamilian, for instance, or a Bengali - speaks either Hindi or Urdu, he or she makes the kind of mistake that, to you, forms the essence of linguistics.

Oh puhleeezzee.!!!! Ur up walas and biharis first lang is hindi and they make tons of masculine and feminie mistakes during their convos even over here.

U guys dont even have several pronouns that we uje , oh imean we use not uje.

It is true, your posts do make me cry. If you were one of my students, I would commit suicide.

Good to hear. Iwish i were ur student then, so that u had comitted suicide.

No evidence that you know the difference. Think of your reference to Abraham Lincoln. If you had any sense, you wouldn't drag in Malayalam into a discussion on the difference between Urdu and Hindi. Since you don't, it got dragged in.

Anna..bore kothaddu from talking nonsense?
This is telugu for u.
And yea iknew the differnce ,if u have recently started posting and dont know from my posts that i am familiar with these difference ,then its ur problem not mine.

Yes, very meaningful contributions. By your standards.

Yeahh they are. U can continue feeling jealous and keep getting ur lungi in twist ,i dont care

 

[Joe Shearer]

Our heroine strikes - mainly herself, but strikes all right. Now read this hilarious post.
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I beg your pardon. I am not at all in the business of linguistic jingoism. And there was nothing in all that I explained, none of which you have even tried to refute except with a mild bleat of protest, that changes the name of Urdu to Hindi.

There is a huge difference. Only dodos and wannabe urdu speakers and wannabe pakistanis cant see. And we wont help such ppl because we enjoy watching them try hard to be like us....one such example is yourself . Boooooooo!!!!!!

What's different?
Everything!

But specifically what?
Oh, everything from beginning to end.

Do you even know what is different?
Yes! And WE WON'T TELL YOU BECAUSE WE LIKE TO WATCH YOU NOT 'GETTING IT'.

<SIGH>

If you don't know, just say so.

An understandable conclusion, from your point of view, because I seriously think that your posts are among the most stupid that I have had the misfortune to deal with. So that is why my posts are littered with personal insults when it comes to your posts, because I hate stupid. Keep pitying, or doing whatever else you want to do; just don't post silly things.

If u claim to be a man whose older than many here...than imust say ifeel sorry fr u...that none of ur life experiences taught u to respect others. U have some most insult filled posts and have no respect for others....that shows u wasted most of urlife and didnt learn anything. I pity ppl like you.

Nope. No such claims.

Plus my life experiences taught me to despise and dislike self-oinionated, ill-educated and fundamentally stupid people.

Oh yea and i also know how u go all fawning before moderators and title holders but go super insulting on normal posters but then u are a nobody that iwud care much abt.

Heh.

Burning, much?

And if u find my posts silly i find urs more absurd and crappy and im happy if my posts rile u up.

Yours is bigger than mine? Really?

Iwill try making them more like that. Its fun to watch when u hop around reacting to what ipost and also when go all over the place with ur weird and at times incorrectly used verbiage and ur attempts to hide ur lack of arguements behind those flowery words.

....says the one without an idea of her own.....

 

[Styx]

Our heroine strikes - mainly herself, but strikes all right. Now read this hilarious post.
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lol, pwnd

this was never going to be a contest anyway

 

[Joe Shearer]

lol, pwnd

this was never going to be a contest anyway

A little mid-morning comic relief, perhaps?