Is China Blocking Vietnam’s Access To $2.5 Trillion In Oil & Gas?

[Beast]

The right history is the present right, maybe you delete the history and rewrite it. In fact, we still see them as big and strong, but they are not allowed to invade other countries and deceive history, especially to deceive the whole world. However, their faces have been condemned by countries, critics and scientists have exposed their sinister faces.
The war was over, the two countries developed together, but they forced our people to hold a gun and a pen to fight, they did not deserve a friend with 16 letters of gold.We came here to uncover their deceitful faces.

If you are good friends, good neighbors, then why did you invade my country?
@YuChen

https://tuoitrenews.vn/news/politic...eat-to-regional-economic-growth-eu/51118.html

It is vietnam that steal from island first.. And thief got cheek to accuse us back. What a joke!

 

[cochine]

It is vietnam that steal from island first.. And thief got cheek to accuse us back. What a joke!

Your are liar, your ancestors had accepted there is Vietnam ocean 交趾洋, Vietnam has been controled Island and sea at first, its stated in the map made by Chinese in the past. Islands in southern of Hanan is under controle of Vietnam in Vietnam ocean 交趾洋/

 

[Beast]

Your are liar, your ancestors had accepted there is Vietnam ocean 交趾洋, Vietnam has been controled Island and sea at first, its stated in the map made by Chinese in the past. Islands in southern of Hanan is under controle of Vietnam in Vietnam ocean 交趾洋/

No, this map is set during Ming. The latest map we recognise is last dynasty of China. Qing. There is no vietnam old map that claim anything about spratly island. In fact, its french who claim spratly island on Vietnam behalf. The video from 11mins onward mention very clearly of Qing claim.

How can a colonial power claim anything on your behalf for asia matters? You greedy vietnam take over french claim and want a free ride on Chinese territories. Last time we went to war on the island. We Chinese give you a bloody face and teach you Vietnamese how to behave. Looks like you vietnamese need another spanking?

 

[cochine]

The latest map we recognise is last dynasty of China. Qing.

This is The last China Man Qing map. The last point of China territory is Hainan.

How can a colonial power claim anything on your behalf for asia matters? You greedy vietnam take over french claim and want a free ride on Chinese territories. Last time we went to war on the island. We Chinese give you a bloody face and teach you Vietnamese how to behave. Looks like you vietnamese need another spanking?

Vietnam map in the past, long before colonial time, whe have been stated clearly on the map that Paracel and spratly is part of territory of Vietnam.

Occupation by China with force in Islands of Vietnam is illegal. China is idiot sea pirate

 

[Beast]

This is The last China Man Qing map. The last point of China territory is Hainan.

Vietnam map in the past, long before colonial time, whe have been stated clearaly that Paracel and spratly is part of territory of Vietnam.

Occupation by China with force in Islands of Vietnam is illegal.

LOL.. Another pathetic fake attempt by you , the map you show is not Qing map. The treaty of conclusion regards to spratly island between Qing and french still exist until now. And now you blatantly twist lies and talk trash.

You shall thank French for helping you rob Chinese island in SCS.

 

[congtubl]

[QUOTE = "Beast, bài đăng: 11737994, thành viên: 37014"] LOL .. Một nỗ lực giả mạo thảm hại khác của bạn, bản đồ bạn hiển thị không phải là bản đồ Qing. Hiệp ước kết luận liên quan đến đảo hoàn toàn giữa Thanh và Pháp vẫn tồn tại cho đến bây giờ. Và bây giờ bạn ngang nhiên vặn vẹo dối trá và nói chuyện rác rưởi.

Bạn sẽ cảm ơn người Pháp vì đã giúp bạn cướp đảo Trung Quốc trong SCS. [/ QUOTE]
How about the Map Mrs Merken give Mr Tap, only Hainan Island, not Paracel, Spratly.

Minister of Holland give the map of China, only Hainan

Bản đồ Trung Quốc và Nhật Bản do Commercial Atlas Rand McNally xuất bản tại Chicago (Mỹ) năm 1942 thể hiện phần lãnh thổ cực nam của Trung Quốc chỉ đến đảo Hải Nam

More Map of China

https://tuoitre.vn/ban-do-trung-quoc-khong-co-truong-sa-hoang-sa.html

https://www.yeuchua.net/2018/05/pha...ng-sa-truong-sa-de-nghi-chia-se-rong-rai.html

Your country does not have enough legal basis to own the right and jurisdiction in Paracel, Spratly.
National libraries in the world and China, without any graph showing two islands Paracel, Spratly of your Country
Just going to rob and lie history.

[QUOTE = "Beast, bài đăng: 11737799, thành viên: 37014"] Không, bản đồ này được đặt trong thời Minh. Bản đồ mới nhất mà chúng tôi nhận ra là triều đại cuối cùng của Trung Quốc. Thanh. Không có bản đồ cũ của Việt Nam yêu cầu bất cứ điều gì về đảo Trường Sa. Trong thực tế, người Pháp tuyên bố đảo quốc thay mặt cho Việt Nam. Video từ 11 phút trở đi đề cập rất rõ ràng về yêu sách của Qing.

Làm thế nào một quyền lực thực dân có thể yêu cầu bất cứ điều gì thay mặt bạn cho các vấn đề châu Á? Bạn tham lam Việt Nam tiếp quản yêu sách của Pháp và muốn đi xe miễn phí trên các lãnh thổ Trung Quốc. Lần trước chúng tôi đã đi đến chiến tranh trên đảo. Chúng tôi Trung Quốc cho bạn một khuôn mặt đẫm máu và dạy bạn tiếng Việt cách cư xử. Hình như bạn người Việt cần đánh đòn khác?
[/ TRÍCH DẪN]
Before 1945, what did you do in Paracel island? nothing, but we stared in here.

You use force, military, power to kill our people, to rob the land.
No country recognizes Paracel and spratly as yours
Then you will have to return, justice must be enforced

"
From 1990 to 1993, at least two raids in Gaven Reef on the Spratly archipelago killed at least 31 Chinese soldiers.

According to the website Top81.cn & Chnqiang.com, 2009

In an open letter from a relative of a Chinese naval soldier who went missing (19 years to 2009), he wrote in a death notice sent by the General Department of Politics of the Chinese Army. for his family on November 10, 1992:

On November 7, 1990, a core on a Chinese naval reef in the Nansha Islands of the South China Sea was attacked by foreign troops, killing six people and leaving five missing. plus 11 deaths). And so far, although his family has all the military documents as well as death certificates of his relatives, the government has repeatedly refused to certify his brother is a martyr. According to Chinese law, a serviceman who is missing while on duty in the frontier area is considered dead after three years, while his relative has been missing for 19 years.

The rock he mentioned was the Gantam Rock, Chinese name: 南 熏 礁 (Nam Khoi Rock), where he said that 11 Chinese soldiers were killed and missing.

Gaven Rock (including the North Gaven was occupied by China in early 1988, and the South Gaven was occupied by China in 1992), located near Nam Yet Island of Vietnam to the West (on the same reef).

According to the website Sina.com.cn

Summary of the memoirs of a Chinese veteran:

From January 1988, our army began to build 7 reefs of the Nansha Islands in the South China Sea ....

On November 7, 1990, the Nam Hai fleet received a report that the Southern Smoke Reefs (Gaven Rock) had lost radio communication. The Hainan Fleet sent people to kick Gaven when they found out that the key had: 6 deaths, 1 wounded, 5 missing.

Checking that the bunker was covered with bullet marks showed that there was a fierce battle here. Retrieved from the reef are standard rifles equipped with the key of the Nam Khoi rock.

This event rocked the entire board of directors of the Nam Hai Fleet, and many officers were disciplined. An investigation was conducted headlining.

I analyze there are some following possibilities:

1. Most likely, the Vietnamese army attacked in retaliation for the conflict at Gac Ma Rock on March 14, 1988. However, a thorough inspection of the scene did not leave any vestige to attribute the responsibility to Vietnam. We have rated this brawl as very successful. The military capability of other countries such as Taiwan, Africa and Malaysia is very small because of the friendly relations of China with them in the South China Sea.

2. Another possibility is that we have been attacked by foreign troops stationed on the surrounding islands. Smoky Rock is an island surrounded by foreign troops, so it is in a very dangerous position, and can be attacked and captured at any time. To the north is Ba Binh Island, which is occupied by Taiwan. To the West is the Great Rock Range, which is occupied by Vietnam. Five miles east of the South Smoky Rock is Nam Yet Island, which is occupied by Vietnam with over 100 well-equipped soldiers. In any case, we can completely exclude the possibility that Chinese people will attack Chinese people.

3. The ability of pirates to raid Nam Khoi stone to steal drinking water, food ...

4. The Chinese garrison on the Nam Khoi rock advocates helping fishermen and boats navigate the region, regardless of country. When fishermen or merchant ships met storms, they provided shelter, food, water, so it did not rule out the possibility of a robbery, or foreign troops mixed in to fight.

5. Life on the island was difficult, lacking both physically and emotionally, the soldiers on the island were left with bad news about their girlfriends, wives, families, and floods, natural disasters, epidemics in their home country, etc. .. so easily lead to psychological panic, causing madly shooting each other.

According to the website Club.china.com

In 1993, also in Gaven, all 20 Chinese soldiers locked dead were missing and missing.

Communication with the Gaven stone was cut off, when Chinese ships came to check, the corpses were in decay: one died from being shot in the head, the rest died by bullets, drowned. water, bruised neck, distorted face, signs of death from being drowned by others ... In the communications room, Chinese information soldiers died on the computer table.

Although the corpses were rotting, the smell in the room was not very foul because of the strong wind.

The article stated: The attack occurred at night, counting 19 dead, 1 missing person, possibly missing person killed his own comrades to rob the boat across the border."

Hi @Beast .
If you are an educated person, not an idiot, you know the history, open your mind to the outside, the world as you visit this site, to see that there is no public country get those 2 islands that belong to you, you are overwhelmed by the government of your country, thinking of hegemony, hegemony to go against the law and history.
I hope with your youth and enthusiasm, you must have a more positive way of thinking, to see clearly what is wrong.
China always harbors bad information, incites you with positive information, such as the Tiananmen Massacre. Today you will never find it.

 

[Beast]

[QUOTE = "Beast, bài đăng: 11737994, thành viên: 37014"] LOL .. Một nỗ lực giả mạo thảm hại khác của bạn, bản đồ bạn hiển thị không phải là bản đồ Qing. Hiệp ước kết luận liên quan đến đảo hoàn toàn giữa Thanh và Pháp vẫn tồn tại cho đến bây giờ. Và bây giờ bạn ngang nhiên vặn vẹo dối trá và nói chuyện rác rưởi.

Bạn sẽ cảm ơn người Pháp vì đã giúp bạn cướp đảo Trung Quốc trong SCS. [/ QUOTE]
How about the Map Mrs Merken give Mr Tap, only Hainan Island, not Paracel, Spratly.

Minister of Holland give the map of China, only Hainan

Bản đồ Trung Quốc và Nhật Bản do Commercial Atlas Rand McNally xuất bản tại Chicago (Mỹ) năm 1942 thể hiện phần lãnh thổ cực nam của Trung Quốc chỉ đến đảo Hải Nam

More Map of China

https://tuoitre.vn/ban-do-trung-quoc-khong-co-truong-sa-hoang-sa.html

https://www.yeuchua.net/2018/05/pha...ng-sa-truong-sa-de-nghi-chia-se-rong-rai.html

Your country does not have enough legal basis to own the right and jurisdiction in Paracel, Spratly.
National libraries in the world and China, without any graph showing two islands Paracel, Spratly of your Country
Just going to rob and lie history.

[QUOTE = "Beast, bài đăng: 11737799, thành viên: 37014"] Không, bản đồ này được đặt trong thời Minh. Bản đồ mới nhất mà chúng tôi nhận ra là triều đại cuối cùng của Trung Quốc. Thanh. Không có bản đồ cũ của Việt Nam yêu cầu bất cứ điều gì về đảo Trường Sa. Trong thực tế, người Pháp tuyên bố đảo quốc thay mặt cho Việt Nam. Video từ 11 phút trở đi đề cập rất rõ ràng về yêu sách của Qing.

Làm thế nào một quyền lực thực dân có thể yêu cầu bất cứ điều gì thay mặt bạn cho các vấn đề châu Á? Bạn tham lam Việt Nam tiếp quản yêu sách của Pháp và muốn đi xe miễn phí trên các lãnh thổ Trung Quốc. Lần trước chúng tôi đã đi đến chiến tranh trên đảo. Chúng tôi Trung Quốc cho bạn một khuôn mặt đẫm máu và dạy bạn tiếng Việt cách cư xử. Hình như bạn người Việt cần đánh đòn khác?
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Before 1945, what did you do in Paracel island? nothing, but we stared in here.

You use force, military, power to kill our people, to rob the land.
No country recognizes Paracel and spratly as yours
Then you will have to return, justice must be enforced

"
From 1990 to 1993, at least two raids in Gaven Reef on the Spratly archipelago killed at least 31 Chinese soldiers.

According to the website Top81.cn & Chnqiang.com, 2009

In an open letter from a relative of a Chinese naval soldier who went missing (19 years to 2009), he wrote in a death notice sent by the General Department of Politics of the Chinese Army. for his family on November 10, 1992:

On November 7, 1990, a core on a Chinese naval reef in the Nansha Islands of the South China Sea was attacked by foreign troops, killing six people and leaving five missing. plus 11 deaths). And so far, although his family has all the military documents as well as death certificates of his relatives, the government has repeatedly refused to certify his brother is a martyr. According to Chinese law, a serviceman who is missing while on duty in the frontier area is considered dead after three years, while his relative has been missing for 19 years.

The rock he mentioned was the Gantam Rock, Chinese name: 南 熏 礁 (Nam Khoi Rock), where he said that 11 Chinese soldiers were killed and missing.

Gaven Rock (including the North Gaven was occupied by China in early 1988, and the South Gaven was occupied by China in 1992), located near Nam Yet Island of Vietnam to the West (on the same reef).

According to the website Sina.com.cn

Summary of the memoirs of a Chinese veteran:

From January 1988, our army began to build 7 reefs of the Nansha Islands in the South China Sea ....

On November 7, 1990, the Nam Hai fleet received a report that the Southern Smoke Reefs (Gaven Rock) had lost radio communication. The Hainan Fleet sent people to kick Gaven when they found out that the key had: 6 deaths, 1 wounded, 5 missing.

Checking that the bunker was covered with bullet marks showed that there was a fierce battle here. Retrieved from the reef are standard rifles equipped with the key of the Nam Khoi rock.

This event rocked the entire board of directors of the Nam Hai Fleet, and many officers were disciplined. An investigation was conducted headlining.

I analyze there are some following possibilities:

1. Most likely, the Vietnamese army attacked in retaliation for the conflict at Gac Ma Rock on March 14, 1988. However, a thorough inspection of the scene did not leave any vestige to attribute the responsibility to Vietnam. We have rated this brawl as very successful. The military capability of other countries such as Taiwan, Africa and Malaysia is very small because of the friendly relations of China with them in the South China Sea.

2. Another possibility is that we have been attacked by foreign troops stationed on the surrounding islands. Smoky Rock is an island surrounded by foreign troops, so it is in a very dangerous position, and can be attacked and captured at any time. To the north is Ba Binh Island, which is occupied by Taiwan. To the West is the Great Rock Range, which is occupied by Vietnam. Five miles east of the South Smoky Rock is Nam Yet Island, which is occupied by Vietnam with over 100 well-equipped soldiers. In any case, we can completely exclude the possibility that Chinese people will attack Chinese people.

3. The ability of pirates to raid Nam Khoi stone to steal drinking water, food ...

4. The Chinese garrison on the Nam Khoi rock advocates helping fishermen and boats navigate the region, regardless of country. When fishermen or merchant ships met storms, they provided shelter, food, water, so it did not rule out the possibility of a robbery, or foreign troops mixed in to fight.

5. Life on the island was difficult, lacking both physically and emotionally, the soldiers on the island were left with bad news about their girlfriends, wives, families, and floods, natural disasters, epidemics in their home country, etc. .. so easily lead to psychological panic, causing madly shooting each other.

According to the website Club.china.com

In 1993, also in Gaven, all 20 Chinese soldiers locked dead were missing and missing.

Communication with the Gaven stone was cut off, when Chinese ships came to check, the corpses were in decay: one died from being shot in the head, the rest died by bullets, drowned. water, bruised neck, distorted face, signs of death from being drowned by others ... In the communications room, Chinese information soldiers died on the computer table.

Although the corpses were rotting, the smell in the room was not very foul because of the strong wind.

The article stated: The attack occurred at night, counting 19 dead, 1 missing person, possibly missing person killed his own comrades to rob the boat across the border."

Hi @Beast .
If you are an educated person, not an idiot, you know the history, open your mind to the outside, the world as you visit this site, to see that there is no public country get those 2 islands that belong to you, you are overwhelmed by the government of your country, thinking of hegemony, hegemony to go against the law and history.
I hope with your youth and enthusiasm, you must have a more positive way of thinking, to see clearly what is wrong.
China always harbors bad information, incites you with positive information, such as the Tiananmen Massacre. Today you will never find it.

LOL.. Plenty of your source is from Holland or other countries? How legal it can be link to Qing source?

Please do not forget, vietnam is a communist country. Dont tell me VCP dont censor information from you all? You are not democracy. Please remember that.

Before even French colonial of Vietnam, fisherman of Chinese already settle there and is under jurisdiction of it. What your photo show is after French colonize Vietnam and take our island when we are in turmoil.

 

[congtubl]

LOL.. Plenty of your source is from Holland or other countries? How legal it can be link to Qing source?

Please do not forget, vietnam is a communist country. Dont tell me VCP dont censor information from you all? You are not democracy. Please remember that.

Before even French colonial of Vietnam, fisherman of Chinese already settle there and is under jurisdiction of it. What your photo show is after French colonize Vietnam and take our island when we are in turmoil.

Lol....please sent me the map of China Qing source? all everything say that the Fishman stayed in here, nothing.
But In Vietnam have it.
While we have exercised sovereignty throughout our lives and exploited, every year our ancestors went out there to exploit and enforce sovereignty

https://thanhnien.vn/thoi-su/thu-tich-chung-minh-hoang-sa-truong-sa-la-cua-viet-nam-1117617.html

It's best to go back and learn Chinese history, ask your teachers,scientists if the truth is that China manages the two islands? Proof of it.
If don't have LOL...

 

[KAL-EL]

Interesting maps...

 

[Beast]

Lol....please sent me the map of China Qing source? all everything say that the Fishman stayed in here, nothing.
But In Vietnam have it.
While we have exercised sovereignty throughout our lives and exploited, every year our ancestors went out there to exploit and enforce sovereignty

https://thanhnien.vn/thoi-su/thu-tich-chung-minh-hoang-sa-truong-sa-la-cua-viet-nam-1117617.html

It's best to go back and learn Chinese history, ask your teachers,scientists if the truth is that China manages the two islands? Proof of it.
If don't have LOL...

The proof you show speaks Chinese, it says Xinsha and nansha island under Chinese jurisdiction.. Who are you trying to kid?

 

[congtubl]

The proof you show speaks Chinese, it says Xinsha and nansha island under Chinese jurisdiction.. Who are you trying to kid?

If you don't have proof, it's best to shut up. Because everything you say is just cliché, You are a longtime member but your words are not strong enough, without convincing evidence, who do you say to hear; World friends in this forum despise you. You are not law enough to disprove me and the truth the world has to say.

Those documents are evidence of our nation's sovereignty over the years, while your country has not, because it has been burnt or rubbed into a certain corner.

 

[Beast]

If you don't have proof, it's best to shut up. Because everything you say is just cliché, You are a longtime member but your words are not strong enough, without convincing evidence, who do you say to hear; World friends in this forum despise you. You are not law enough to disprove me and the truth the world has to say.

Those documents are evidence of our nation's sovereignty over the years, while your country has not, because it has been burnt or rubbed into a certain corner.

You dont even what you posted say and now you blame me? The link you post says in Chinese? Is that a lie too?

 

[congtubl]

Interesting maps...

Yes Sir... Mr Tran Thang, he live in Connecticut-USA, He's doing in Pratt & Whitney since 1999.
He found some some Maps/ Altas of China don't have Paracel and Spratly and send them to VIETNAM GOV.
https://laodong.vn/xa-hoi/viet-kieu...quoc-khong-co-chu-quyen-o-hoang-sa-750621.ldo

You dont even what you posted say and now you blame me? The link you post says in Chinese? Is that a lie too?

When I wrote I did a thorough study of what it was.
In the past, my country used Chinese words, similar to Chinese, you probably did not know history, so you did not understand.

Sách Atlas - Trung hoa Dân quốc Bưu chính dư đồ, Tổng cục Bưu chính, Bộ Giao thông, Trung hoa Dân quốc, 1919 (62cm x 38cm). Sách có 29 bản đồ, viết bằng 3 ngôn ngữ Trung hoa, Anh, Pháp.
Don't have anything, only Hainan. Ha..ha..ha

 

[congtubl]

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...ing-chinas-influence-south-china-sea-outreach

We don't go alone, always with partners except China

 

[riscol]

Translates to Vietnam is very weak and need partners