Is Bangladesh army is planning to acquire LY-60 air defence system?

[Philip the Arab]

So, to start off @The Ronin posted this picture taken off a brochure apparently stating which air defense system the Bangladesh army is going to procure.

I took a look at it, and immediately recognized the system on the left as the LY-80/HQ-16, and the middle one as 35mm SPAAG CSSA-1, but I thought I had seen the system on the right before so I put in a little research.

It turns out that the system is LY-60 which is basically a reverse engineered version of an Italian missile based off of the RIM-7 Sparrow.

Right down to the exact picture on the brochure.

Found some information that I will post down here.


The CPMIEC LY-60 is a direct clone of the Italian Selenia (Alenia) Aspide Mk.1, itself derived from the RIM-7E Sea Sparrow. This missile is frequently cited as the direct replacement for the conceptually similar but much bulkier HQ-61. Recent literature shows a four round LY-60 TEL which is based on the naval box launcher mount, similar to the US Sea Sparrow and original Aspide designs. Like the Aspide / Sparrow, the LY-60 appears in naval and mobile point defence SAM configurations, and as an AAM for fighter aircraft, designated as the FD-60 or PL-10.

The missile is a semi-active homing design, reliant on a CW illuminator which is cued by an acquisition and tracking radar. Cited battery composition is one acquisition radar, three engagement radars and six TELs, with eight support vehicles providing missile transport, backup and primary power supply, missile test, electronics maintenance, mechanical maintenance, tools and spares. The acquisition radar is likely to be a derivative of the CLC-2 series operating at 2.9 ~ 3.4 GHz, or the YLC-6M. The engagement radar is a truck mounted variant of the naval LY-60 engagement radar, which is a single channel X-band design with providing CW illumination of the target. Until recently, no good imagery was available for the radar package, specifications remain unstated. CPMIEC brochures claim the capability to engage low flying aircraft and cruise missiles. Other sources claim the capability to detect 40 targets, track 12, and engage three.[36]

LY-60/HQ-64 Specifications [Aspide Mk.1 Specification Assumed]
Missile Launch Mass
220 kg
480 lb
Fuselage Diameter
0.20 m
0.65 ft
Length
3.72 m
12.20 ft
Wingspan
0.99 m
3.24 ft
Warhead Mass
35 kg
77 lb
Maximum Range
20 km
10.8 NMI
Minimum Range
1.3 km
0.7 NMI
Maximum Altitude
5,000 m
16,400 ft
Minimum Altitude
15 m
49 ft
System consists of 6 launchers

3 engagment radars

1 search radar

@Avicenna
@UKBengali
@The Ronin
@Bilal9

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

IMHO Bangladesh should stick to procuring the Hisar-O (it seems the news surrounding BD's interest in it is credible). Get one modern MR-SAM and stick with it across all of your service arms.

 

[Philip the Arab]

IMHO Bangladesh should stick to procuring the Hisar-O (it seems the news surrounding BD's interest in it is credible). Get one modern MR-SAM and stick with it across all of your service arms.

Won't that take at least 3-4 years to even achieve IOC? I think it's better for BD to acquire something quickly than go defenseless while waiting for Turkey's defense industry to catch up with developed systems.

 

[Beast]

IMHO Bangladesh should stick to procuring the Hisar-O (it seems the news surrounding BD's interest in it is credible). Get one modern MR-SAM and stick with it across all of your service arms.

Turkey is novice when comes to air defense system. Your selection is purely emotional and religion base with no merit on real spec.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Won't that take at least 3-4 years to even achieve IOC? I think it's better for BD to acquire something quickly than go defenseless while waiting for Turkey's defense industry to catch up with developed systems.

BD has the fortune of not actively fighting anyone at this time. It should hold onto its money and wait, and put itself on track to a system with contemporary features. It doesn't even have to be Hisar-O (but BD did express interest in it), it can be something else, but IMO now's not the time to stock up on SARH-based SAMs.

@cabatli_53 @dBSPL

 

[Beast]

So, to start off @The Ronin posted this picture taken off a brochure apparently stating which air defense system the Bangladesh army is going to procure.

I took a look at it, and immediately recognized the system on the left as the LY-80/HQ-16, and the middle one as 35mm SPAAG CSSA-1, but I thought I had seen the system on the right before so I put in a little research.

It turns out that the system is LY-60 which is basically a reverse engineered version of an Italian missile based off of the RIM-7 Sparrow.

Right down to the exact picture on the brochure.

Found some information that I will post down here.


The CPMIEC LY-60 is a direct clone of the Italian Selenia (Alenia) Aspide Mk.1, itself derived from the RIM-7E Sea Sparrow. This missile is frequently cited as the direct replacement for the conceptually similar but much bulkier HQ-61. Recent literature shows a four round LY-60 TEL which is based on the naval box launcher mount, similar to the US Sea Sparrow and original Aspide designs. Like the Aspide / Sparrow, the LY-60 appears in naval and mobile point defence SAM configurations, and as an AAM for fighter aircraft, designated as the FD-60 or PL-10.

The missile is a semi-active homing design, reliant on a CW illuminator which is cued by an acquisition and tracking radar. Cited battery composition is one acquisition radar, three engagement radars and six TELs, with eight support vehicles providing missile transport, backup and primary power supply, missile test, electronics maintenance, mechanical maintenance, tools and spares. The acquisition radar is likely to be a derivative of the CLC-2 series operating at 2.9 ~ 3.4 GHz, or the YLC-6M. The engagement radar is a truck mounted variant of the naval LY-60 engagement radar, which is a single channel X-band design with providing CW illumination of the target. Until recently, no good imagery was available for the radar package, specifications remain unstated. CPMIEC brochures claim the capability to engage low flying aircraft and cruise missiles. Other sources claim the capability to detect 40 targets, track 12, and engage three.[36]

LY-60/HQ-64 Specifications [Aspide Mk.1 Specification Assumed]
Missile Launch Mass
220 kg
480 lb
Fuselage Diameter
0.20 m
0.65 ft
Length
3.72 m
12.20 ft
Wingspan
0.99 m
3.24 ft
Warhead Mass
35 kg
77 lb
Maximum Range
20 km
10.8 NMI
Minimum Range
1.3 km
0.7 NMI
Maximum Altitude
5,000 m
16,400 ft
Minimum Altitude
15 m
49 ft
System consists of 6 launchers

3 engagment radars

1 search radar

@Avicenna
@UKBengali
@The Ronin
@Bilal9

Besides the missile shape, hardly is anything from sparrow ever since many upgrade from guidance to launcher. In many spec, it better than western counter part of similar class.

The LY-60 (Lie Ying, "Falcon") is a surface-to-air missile system deployed by the People's Liberation Army. It entered service among air defense units beginning in 1994 and was unveiled by the Chinese Precision Machinery Import-Export Company or CPMIEC at the International Weapons Systems Exhibition, "Defendory '94," held in Piraeus, Greece in October 1994. Capable of intercepting air targets at medium and low altitudes, it supports advanced command and control features not found in any of its Western contemporaries.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LY-60_/_FD-60_/_PL10

 

[Philip the Arab]

BD has the fortune of not actively fighting anyone at this time. It should hold onto its money and wait, and put itself on track to a system with contemporary features. It doesn't even have to be Hisar-O (but BD did express interest in it), it can be something else, but IMO now's not the time to stock up on SARH-based SAMs.

@cabatli_53 @dBSPL

Didn't Pak just buy LY-80 which is SARH? We really don't know when a conflict could erupt, Myanmar is way stronger and has been doing a lot of aggressive things and I don't think BD has time to wait and let MM unleash everything they have on BD.

Besides the missile shape, hardly is anything from sparrow ever since many upgrade from guidance to launcher. In many spec, it better than western counter part of similar class.

The LY-60 (Lie Ying, "Falcon") is a surface-to-air missile system deployed by the People's Liberation Army. It entered service among air defense units beginning in 1994 and was unveiled by the Chinese Precision Machinery Import-Export Company or CPMIEC at the International Weapons Systems Exhibition, "Defendory '94," held in Piraeus, Greece in October 1994. Capable of intercepting air targets at medium and low altitudes, it supports advanced command and control features not found in any of its Western contemporaries.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LY-60_/_FD-60_/_PL10

Altitude isn't good for attacking aircraft flying at 10k meters though. Is the altitude it can reach actually only 5 thousand meters?

 

[Beast]

Altitude isn't good for attacking aircraft flying at 10k meters though. Is the altitude it can reach actually only 5 thousand meters?

An air defense missile claimed to be jack of all trade usually is not a good air defense missile.

 

[Philip the Arab]

An air defense missile claimed to be jack of all trade usually is not a good air defense missile.

True, but is seems like a large missile. Why can't it reach high altitudes? MAF can just fly over the flight ceiling of the missile.

 

[The Ronin]

No need to take it seriously. In 2017's MHD they showed FM-3000 and FK-3 SAM. So except LY-80 and Oerlikon nothing looks confirmed yet.

 

[Philip the Arab]

No need to take it seriously. In 2017's MHD they showed FM-3000 and FK-3 SAM. So except LY-80 and Oerlikon nothing looks confirmed yet.

What is this a picture of?

 

[Bilal9]

Turkey is novice when comes to air defense system. Your selection is purely emotional and religion base with no merit on real spec.

Characterizing a whole country (and all their technical expertise and resources) in one sentence (blanket statement) is not mature. Please read up on Turkey. We all know where China was twenty/thirty years ago as far as technical development. Things change quickly.

True there is some considerations based on China siding with Myanmar on Rohingya issue, but there are technical considerations as well.

 

[Beast]

Characterizing a whole country (and all their technical expertise and resources) in one sentence (blanket statement) is not mature. Please read up on Turkey. We all know where China was twenty/thirty years ago as far as technical development. Things change quickly.

True there is some considerations based on China siding with Myanmar on Rohingya issue, but there are technical considerations as well.

I did read up on Turkey. A lot of core system still needed to be imported. For example the so called T-129 gunship which turboshaft are imported from US/Canada PW. Without the engine, the gunship is as good as zero.

Same as the Altay tank which using Germany import engine. Dont be hip by their claim that they can domesticate those extreme high performance engine in short time. They need huge investment and expertise in manpower especially talent plus a multi billion industrious which only scale like China and US can do it. Turkey with a economy of less than a trillion USD is not going to do miracle. Stop deluding yourself.

 

[Bilal9]

I did read up on Turkey. A lot of core system still needed to be imported. For example the so called T-129 gunship which turboshaft are imported from US/Canada PW. Without the engine, the gunship is as good as zero.

Same as the Altay tank which using Germany import engine. Dont be hip by their claim that they can domesticate those extreme high performance engine in short time. They need huge investment and expertise in manpower especially talent plus a multi billion industrious which only scale like China and US can do it. Turkey with a economy of less than a trillion USD is not going to do miracle. Stop deluding yourself.

Why does it twist your panties in a bunch when Turkey develops armament systems and some country buys it? Come on brother...

It may be partially integrated like you say and cobbled together from different systems - but at least some countries like us can get spares when push comes to shove (if we ever get into conflict with MM). Can you personally guarantee that China will provide spares in that case??

Only arms from China are good and all others bad?

Developing your own arms industry is a natural - no country is safe depending on other countries whether they are or aren't trillion dollar economies. Turkey is doing it and so is Indonesia.

If we get favorable deals and if the systems suit our needs we will buy some from whichever country (We are buying medium tank from both Indonesia and China I believe).

We can't put all our eggs in the same basket.

 

[Beast]

Why does it twist your panties in a bunch when Turkey develops armament systems and some country buys it? Come on brother...

It may be partially integrated like you say and cobbled together from different systems - but at least some countries like us can get spares when push comes to shove (if we ever get into conflict with MM). Can you personally guarantee that China will provide spares in that case??

Only arms from China are good and all others bad?

Developing your own arms industry is a natural - no country is safe depending on other countries whether they are or aren't trillion dollar economies. Turkey is doing it and so is Indonesia.

If we get favorable deals and if the systems suit our needs we will buy some from whichever country (We are buying medium tank from both Indonesia and China I believe).

We can't put all our eggs in the same basket.

You are diverting from the point. A trillion dollar or more economy definitely is a crucial point for weapon development. If not how do US having such strong defense industrial base? The point is China has a bigger industries, more pool of talent and all research departments are well funded. Also, China has long establish in many areas compare to other countries beside the big 5. All these will point to China making a better weapon.

Comparing China with US as who is more reliable weapon supplier are simply a big joke. Do China link weapon deal with human right? Finally, isnt buying weapon from China already a form of diversification in process?