Is Arjun MBT Dead?

[DMLA]

when will Arjun be inducted into Indian Army

It has already been inducted your highness!

 

[Honor]

chinese r jumping too much on their reverse engineering/duplicate technology..they can only kill innocent tibetians ..cant even touch a small island called taiwan..forget abt others p:

Indian cannot make anything work.. Their technology is too low for a country for this size... Indian will only starve her own citizens to death and do nothing... Indian's avergae life span is a shame to her country...

We value Taiwan and that is why we will not destroy her.. She is part of China. Overtaking it is as easy as ABC..

Indian depends Chinese technology for her telecommunication industty...

Chinee is a guardian of Tibetian.

 

[macho man randy savage]

Indian cannot make anything work.. Their technology is too low for a country for this size... Indian will only starve her own citizens to death and do nothing... Indian's avergae life span is a shame to her country...

We value Taiwan and that is why we will not destroy her.. She is part of China. Overtaking it is as easy as ABC..

Indian depends Chinese technology for her telecommunication industty...

Chinee is a guardian of Tibetian.

Yes sir India cannot produce anything worth her salt.Thank You for telling us this.Thanks again for building our telecom industry.The world is indebted to the chinese slaves for bringing down the cost of electronic junk.Thanks again.

 

[Titanium]

Waiting for the FINAL proclamation, or is it endless loop of testing???

 

[sachair27]

BTW this May 124 additional arjuns were ordered by the india army...after they outperformed even the new T-90's. nobody i believe can claim al-khalids are better than T90s...
@Honor----dude u need to really open your eyes and see the real world ...india doesnt rely on chinese telecommunication technology..infact they barred the chinese companies from filing a tender for the contract...anyway this is not a thread for trade exchange between india and china...so i guess it would be more civil to stick to the topic...i guess thats not a hard thing to understand...even for you..believe me try it...its a good habit...

 

[SpArK]

85 MBT Arjun Tanks have been issued to the Indian Army


Indian defense minister today said that 85 MBT Arjun Tanks have been issued to the Army. He said that “keeping in view the production capacity for MBT Arjun Tanks and strategic considerations, the Government is also exercising the option for modernising T-72 tanks instead of total replacement of these tanks on completion of their life span.”

He siad that “the Army follows a philosophy of having a mix of legacy equipment, equipment with matured technology and state-of-the-art equipment. T-72 tank is not an antiquated equipment. Therefore, the Army intends to retrofit and upgrade these tanks to enhance their mission reliability and life expectancy.”

More at *****************

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

BTW this May 124 additional arjuns were ordered by the india army...after they outperformed even the new T-90's. nobody i believe can claim al-khalids are better than T90s...@Honor----dude u need to really open your eyes and see the real world ...india doesnt rely on chinese telecommunication technology..infact they barred the chinese companies from filing a tender for the contract...anyway this is not a thread for trade exchange between india and china...so i guess it would be more civil to stick to the topic...i guess thats not a hard thing to understand...even for you..believe me try it...its a good habit...

Why bring Pakistan?
If u want to know abt AK vs t-90(russian) then u would be embarassed to hear tht AK is better then t-90 on paper coz both have never faced eachother!

So believe stats and facts!cut the crap abd trolling!

 

[flaming arrow]

Why bring Pakistan?
If u want to know abt AK vs t-90(russian) then u would be embarassed to hear tht AK is better then t-90 on paper coz both have never faced eachother!

So believe stats and facts!cut the crap abd trolling!

well i will not drag a re-enggrd tank which the chinese discarded..a few glitz and blitzz here and there painted green and AK is ready to spew fire...but sure can tell you good about the best tank that is the T-84UD IN UR inventory fairing against T-90.....let me knw cz that will surely derail a already derailed thread

 

[IndianArmy]

Arjun MBT is Not Dead, Infact it is a much awaited Project and very much alive , where the Indian army has ordered 248 of them..... Not much have been ordered probably to Give room for MK2 and FMBT....

 

[sachair27]

Why bring Pakistan?
If u want to know abt AK vs t-90(russian) then u would be embarassed to hear tht AK is better then t-90 on paper coz both have never faced eachother!

So believe stats and facts!cut the crap abd trolling!

n they never will...dude u need to do some research even if its on wiki...you will know about the latest performance of AK...if u can understand simple logic arms from the same inventory don't face each other but they do compete...AK was tested against t 90s n proved 2 be better...
i dont understand why its so hard for u 2 accept a simple fact...friendly advice open your eyes WIDE n SEE


Business Standard, 25th Mar 2010

India’s home-built Arjun tank has emerged a conclusive winner from its showdown with the Russian T-90. A week of comparative trials, conducted by the army at the Mahajan Ranges, near Bikaner in Rajasthan, has ended; the results are still officially secret. But Business Standard has learned from multiple sources who were involved in the trials that the Arjun tank has outperformed the T-90 on every crucial parameter.

The trial pitted one squadron (14 tanks) of Arjuns against an equal number of T-90s. Each squadron was given three tactical tasks; each involved driving across 50 kilometers of desert terrain and then shooting at a set of targets. Each tank had to fire at least ten rounds, stationary and on the move, with each hit being carefully logged. In total, each tank drove 150 kilometres and fired between 30-50 rounds. The trials also checked the tanks’ ability to drive through a water channel 5-6 feet deep.

The Arjun tanks, the observers all agreed, performed superbly. Whether driving cross-country over rugged sand-dunes; detecting, observing and quickly engaging targets; or accurately hitting targets, both stationery and moving, with pinpoint gunnery; the Arjun demonstrated a clear superiority over the vaunted T-90.

“The Arjun could have performed even better, had it been operated by experienced crewmen”, says an officer who has worked on the Arjun. “As the army’s tank regiments gather experience on the Arjun, they will learn to exploit its capabilities.”

With the trial report still being compiled --- it is expected to reach Army Headquarters after a fortnight --- neither the army, nor the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO), which developed the Arjun tank in Chennai at the Central Vehicles R&D Establishment (CVRDE), are willing to comment officially about the trials.

The importance of this comparative trial can be gauged from a list of those who attended. Witnessing the Arjun in action were most of the army’s senior tank generals, including the Director General of Mechanised Forces, Lt Gen D Bhardwaj; strike corps commander, Lt Gen Anil Chait; Army Commander South, Lt Gen Pradeep Khanna; and Deputy Chief of the Army Staff, Lt Gen JP Singh. The Director General of Military Operations, Lt Gen AS Sekhon also attended the trials.

Over the last four months, the army had systematically signalled that it did not want to buy more Arjuns. The message from senior officers was: 124 Arjun tanks have been bought already; no more would be ordered for the army’s fleet of 4000 tanks. The comparative trial, or so went the message, was merely to evaluate what operational role could be given to the army’s handful of Arjuns.

“The senior officers who attended the trials were taken aback by the Arjun’s strong performance”, an army officer who was present through the trials frankly stated. “But they were also pleased that the Arjun had finally come of age.”

The army’s Directorate General of Mechanised Forces (DGMF), which has bitterly opposed buying more Arjuns, will now find it difficult to sustain that opposition. In keeping out the Arjun, the DGMF has opted to retain the already obsolescent T-72 tank in service for another two decades, spending thousands of crores in upgrading its vintage systems.

Now, confronted with the Arjun’s demonstrated capability, the army will face growing pressure to order more Arjuns.

The current order of 124 Arjuns is equipping the army’s 140 Armoured Brigade in Jaisalmer. With that order almost completed, the Arjun production line at the Heavy Vehicles Factory (HVF) in Avadi, near Chennai, needs more orders urgently. The Rs 50 crore facility can churn out 50 Arjuns annually. That would allow for the addition of close to one Arjun regiment each year (a regiment is authorised 62 tanks).

Tank experts point out that conducting trials only in Mahajan does not square with the army’s assertion that they are evaluating a role for the Arjun. Says Major General HM Singh, who oversaw the Arjun’s development for decades, “If they were evaluating where the Arjun should be deployed, they should have conducted the trials in different types of terrain: desert, semi-desert, plains and riverine. It seems as if the army has already decided to employ the Arjun in the desert.”

The Arjun’s sterling performance in the desert raises another far-reaching question: should the Arjun --- with its proven mobility, firepower and armour protection --- be restricted to a defensive role or should it equip the army’s strike corps for performing a tank’s most devastating (and glamorous) role: attacking deep into enemy territory during war? Each strike corps has 8-9 tank regiments. If the army recommends the Arjun for a strike role, that would mean an additional order of about 500 Arjuns.

But Business Standard has learned that senior officers are hesitant to induct the Arjun into strike corps. Sources say that the Arjun will be kept out of strike formations on the grounds that it is incompatible with other strike corps equipment, e.g. assault bridges that cannot bear the 60-tonne weight of the Arjun.

 

[KingOfGods]

Army okays development of New tank

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Is it new tank development program?

Indian Army seeks next generation battle tank » www.idrw.org / Indian Defense Research Wing


Going by the news, it seems Indian Army has dropped Arjun in its current form. So the question is..a new tank development tank program is launched or same tank with weight reduction?

Added on 26 November:

As I expected there will be new name, the new tank will be called Future main battle tank [FMBT] for now, on the lines of LCA, MCA, ...lets see which mythical warrior name will be named by Brahmins.

After Arjun MBT, his half brother Karna i.e Tank-ex and still born Bhim to now FMBT!! Intersting to see if tank will be produced by 2020 after failure of two recent attempts.

Good work Titanium....................by kicking Arjun and pointing out its failure; proving them by providing links too. But there is a problem. The links you provided were from 2007. It will be better for you to start buying and reading latest newspapers rather than what you got at Kabaadi's shop.

Here are some new happenings:

Arjun tank outruns, outguns Russian T-90
Ajai Shukla / New Delhi March 25, 2010, 0:18 IST

India’s home-built Arjun tank has emerged a conclusive winner from its showdown with the Russian T-90. A week of comparative trials, conducted by the army at the Mahajan Ranges, near Bikaner in Rajasthan, has ended; the results are still officially secret. But, Business Standard has learned from multiple sources who were involved in the trials that the Arjun tank has outperformed the T-90 on every crucial parameter.

The trial pitted one squadron (14 tanks) of Arjuns against an equal number of T-90s. Each squadron was given three tactical tasks; each involved driving across 50 kilometres of desert terrain and then shooting at a set of targets. Each tank had to fire at least 10 rounds, stationary and on the move, with each hit being carefully logged. In total, each tank drove 150 kilometres and fired between 30-50 rounds. The trials also checked the tanks’ ability to drive through a water channel 5-6 feet deep.

The Arjun tanks, the observers all agreed, performed superbly. Whether driving cross-country over rugged sand-dunes; detecting, observing and quickly engaging targets; or accurately hitting targets, both stationery and moving, with pinpoint gunnery; the Arjun demonstrated a clear superiority over the vaunted T-90.

“The Arjun could have performed even better, had it been operated by experienced crewmen”, says an officer who has worked on the Arjun. “As the army’s tank regiments gather experience on the Arjun, they will learn to exploit its capabilities.” With the trial report still being compiled — it is expected to reach Army Headquarters after a fortnight — neither the army, nor the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO), which developed the Arjun tank in Chennai at the Central Vehicles R&D Establishment (CVRDE), are willing to comment officially about the trials.

The importance of this comparative trial can be gauged from a list of those who attended. Witnessing the Arjun in action were most of the army’s senior tank generals, including the Director General of Mechanised Forces, Lt Gen D Bhardwaj; strike corps commander, Lt Gen Anil Chait; Army Commander South, Lt Gen Pradeep Khanna; and Deputy Chief of the Army Staff, Lt Gen JP Singh. The Director General of Military Operations, Lt Gen AS Sekhon also attended the trials.

Over the last four months, the army had systematically signalled that it did not want to buy more Arjuns. The message from senior officers was — 124 Arjun tanks have been bought already; no more would be ordered for the army’s fleet of 4000 tanks. The comparative trial, or so went the message, was merely to evaluate what operational role could be given to the army’s handful of Arjuns.

“The senior officers who attended the trials were taken aback by the Arjun’s strong performance,” an officer who was present through the trials frankly stated. “But they were also pleased that the Arjun had finally come of age.”

The army’s Directorate General of Mechanised Forces (DGMF), which has bitterly opposed buying more Arjuns, will now find it difficult to sustain that opposition. In keeping out the Arjun, the DGMF has opted to retain the already obsolescent T-72 tank in service for another two decades, spending thousands of crores in upgrading its vintage systems.

Now, confronted with the Arjun’s demonstrated capability, the army will face growing pressure to order more Arjuns.

The current order of 124 Arjuns is equipping the army’s 140 Armoured Brigade in Jaisalmer. With that order almost completed, the Arjun production line at the Heavy Vehicles Factory (HVF) in Avadi, near Chennai, needs more orders urgently. The Rs 50 crore facility can churn out 50 Arjuns annually. That would allow for the addition of close to one Arjun regiment each year (a regiment is authorised 62 tanks).

Tank experts point out that conducting trials only in Mahajan does not square with the army’s assertion that they are evaluating a role for the Arjun. Says Major General HM Singh, who oversaw the Arjun’s development for decades, “If they were evaluating where the Arjun should be deployed, they should have conducted the trials in different types of terrain: desert, semi-desert, plains and riverine. It seems as if the army has already decided to employ the Arjun in the desert.”

The Arjun’s sterling performance in the desert raises another far-reaching question: should the Arjun — with its proven mobility, firepower and armour protection — be restricted to a defensive role or should it equip the army’s strike corps for performing a tank’s most devastating (and glamorous) role: attacking deep into enemy territory during war? Each strike corps has 8-9 tank regiments. If the army recommends the Arjun for a strike role, that would mean an additional order of about 500 Arjuns.

Some more:

Future of India's Arjun tank looks secure
Published: May 21, 2010 at 10:29 AM

NEW DELHI, May 21 (UPI) -- The future of the controversial Indian-made Arjun tank has been secured after the army placed an order for another 124 units.

The latest order is in addition to a previous order for 124 units of the main battle tank that has been on the drawing board for more than 35 years.

The army already has a regiment of 45 Arjuns that were delivered by the Heavy Vehicles Factory in the specifically military manufacturing town of Avadi in the middle of last year.

Avadi is a coastal town of around 250,000 and about 15 miles from Chennai in the state of Tamil Nadu on the south-eastern tip of India. Avadi is an acronym for Armored Vehicles and Ammunition Depot of India.

The new Arjun order is seen as a much needed vote of confidence in the indigenously designed and manufactured tank that has faced the ax several times over development costs and poor performance. These included issues relating to weight, size, night-vision capability and fire control systems. These defects were corrected one by one over the years.

The defense department said questions over performance finally were answered in March when the Arjun underwent a month of arduous desert field tests in Rajasthan state alongside what is considered its main competitor, the Russian-made T-90.

"After many years of trials and tribulations, the tank has now proved its worth by its superb performance under various circumstances, such as driving cross-country over rugged sand dunes, detecting, observing and quickly engaging targets and accurately hitting targets, both stationary and moving with pinpointed accuracy," a defense department spokesperson said.

"Its superior firepower is based on accurate and quick target acquisition capability during day and night in all types of weather and shortest possible reaction time during combat engagements."

Over the past year the Defense Research and Development Organization, India's main defense R&D outfit employing more than 5,000 scientists and 25,000 other staff, and the tank's manufacturer Heavy Vehicles factory have warned they might have to shut down the assembly plant unless the government decided to order more units.

While the assembly line has been given a reprieve, the delays, however, have dented the potential order book for the Arjun. More than 390 T-90s were ordered in 2001 as a stopgap until the Arjun was made ready.

Continued performance and manufacturing problems with the Arjun prompted the army to order another 347 T-90s last November as part of the country's fleet of about 4,000 tanks.

The army is expected to keep the T-90s in service for around 30 years. The army is now considering the Arjun as a potential successor to their aging Russian T-72, of which it has around 2,400.

The defense department may have finally settled on a main battle tank but the army has already begun searching for what it calls a "futuristic main battle tank" that will not necessarily be Indian-made.

The Arjun measures just under 33 feet long and 12 feet wide and weighs around 58 tons. Armor is a Kanchan steel-composite sandwich development. A 1,400 horsepower diesel engine gives it an operational range of 280 miles with a speed of 45 mph on roads and 25 mph cross-country.

The 120mm rifled main turret gun can fire the LAHAT anti-tank missile. Secondary armaments are a MAG 7.62mm Tk715 coaxial machine gun and an HCB 12.7mm AA machine gun.

Last one:

Army to purchase more Arjun tanks

Ajai Shukla / New Delhi April 14, 2010, 0:37 IST


New Arjuns will fire anti-tank missiles; have extra armour protection.

The success of the indigenous Arjun main battle tank (MBT) in desert trials last month is generating additional army orders for a tank that is emerging as a notable research and development (R&D) success. Meanwhile, the Arjun is becoming more capable; the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), which designed the Arjun, says that all future Arjuns will incorporate major improvements, including the ability to fire missiles.

Business Standard had reported (Arjun tank outruns, outguns T-90, March 25, 2010) that the Arjun tank had conclusively outperformed the Russian T-90 — the army’s current frontline MBT — in trials conducted in early March by the Bikaner-based 180 Armoured Brigade.

The army is still evaluating that trial report to decide how many additional Arjuns it should order, over and above the existing order of 124 tanks. But, the question before the army is no longer whether to order more Arjuns; rather, it is how many to order? Highly placed Ministry of Defence (MoD) sources confirm that the army is moving away from its staunch opposition to the Arjun.

The DRDO, meanwhile, is working overtime to sweeten the deal. S Sundaresh, the DRDO’s Chief Controller for Armaments and Combat Engineering, has told Business Standard, that all Arjuns now ordered will fire anti-tank guided missiles through the tank’s main gun; provide extra protection for the tank’s crew through explosive reactive armour, or ERA; be fitted with thermal imaging panoramic sights that allow the Arjun’s commander to scan his surroundings even by night; and incorporate at least seven other improvements over the current Arjuns.

“We had test-fired the Israeli LAHAT missile through the Arjun gun as far back as in 2005”, pointed out Sundaresh. “It will take us about six months to integrate the LAHAT’s designator into the Arjun’s fire control system.”

The addition of two tonnes of ERA will increase the weight of the Arjun to just over 60 tonnes, making it one of the world’s heaviest tanks. But, the DRDO claims that its powerful 1,500-Horse Power engine easily handles the extra weight.

“The ERA will protect the Arjun’s crews from enemy missiles. Initially we will fit the same Russian ERA that protects the T-90 and the T-72. But, we will also develop our own indigenous ERA.”

An early order from the army would be crucial, says the DRDO, for continuity in the Arjun production line at the Heavy Vehicles Factory (HVF) near Chennai. The current order of 124 Arjuns will occupy the production line until end-2011. For the next order of Arjuns to hit the production line then, the order would have to be placed now. That would allow 18 months for provisioning of components, such as armour sheets and sub-systems that are manufactured by ancillary suppliers. That period also caters for the purchase of foreign systems, eg the engine from MTU, Germany.

“Continuity is vital for quality control”, explain officials from HVF Avadi. “We have instituted systems for quality control in the current order of Arjuns, which is why they performed so reliably during trials. These systems will wither away if the production line shuts down for lack of orders.”

Since the Arjun’s assembly takes 12-18 months, a fresh order of Arjuns will start being delivered 30-36 months after the order is placed. Thereafter, HVF will deliver 30 Arjuns per year if it operates with just one shift of workers; 50 tanks per year with two shifts.

There is nothing bad in developing or improving new tank or system. Remember one thing...............We can always buy whatever we can't make; so no need to worry. Keep them trying, I am sure they will come up with better thing in future.

 

[Saamir]

"is arjun mbt dead?"

what a wishful dream!!! lol its got inducted and one of the best tank in the world.