Is APJ Kalam a Muslim?

[Shattered]

Faith and relegion is personal thing why do you wanna disscuse some one's personal beleifs (spellings) ?

 

[Awesome]

Which part of Rafiq Zakaria's definition does he not fulfill by not attending a few parties and get togethers?

 

[mehboobkz]

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Whats wrong with reading a book.The Gita is truly enchanting.Have you ever gone through it???

A Muslim is not allowed to recite Gita or Bible, thats why they are banned not only in Mecca, but in the whole Saudi.

 

[Spring Onion]

Who are you to judge another man, boy ? Regardless of anything else, Sir Abdul Kalam is a Muslim because that is what he wishes to be known as. If you have other theories keep them with yourself. In India it's the man that matters and not his religion.

Jinnah used to smoke, drink and did not keep a beard. What does that make him ?

I have snubbed the thread starter in the earlier posts but as now he has come clear what is saying so i think he is right.

We are not judging anyone.


There are some basics which should not violated one of these is anyone who does any shirk is out of Islam.

There are two kinds of sins

1. Gunnah-e-Kabeera (the ones which are not pardonable it also includes shirk which means bowing to any deity or accept anyone other than Allah as God)

2. Gunnah-e-Sagheera (these are sins which are pardonable including drinking, eating pork, not praying not fasting etc etc)

 

[Capt.Popeye]

I have not given my verdict, nor am I to decide that, let the forumites discuss this.



True muslims they are not as per Islamic scripture, because they beleive in other imams beside Prophet Muhamad, which makes them less than true muslims. Read Shahada first.

For heavens sake do not turn us (in this forum) in to some kind of "kangaroo court" to discuss and decide on this matter.
And please do not attempt to give "your verdict", just as we ought not to give "our verdict" on what you seem to have set out to do in this thread.

 

[mehboobkz]

Faith and relegion is personal thing why do you wanna disscuse some one's personal beleifs (spellings) ?

When you are celebrity or head of a state, these kind of things do happen.

Similar things happened to Obama too.

If Obama was okey, why not APJ Kalam?

 

[Spring Onion]

Which part of Rafiq Zakaria's definition does he not fulfill by not attending a few parties and get togethers?

Not his definition but here is something is interesting

Asaduddin Owaisi, 33, leader of the Majlis-e-Ittehaadul Muslimeen and member of the Andhra Pradesh legislature, Hyderabad:

Quote:

Muslims are surprised to hear that he starts his day by reciting from the Holy Gita. As Muslims, our day starts by offering the fajr (dawn) prayers. It is also strange that Kalam says he gets solace by playing the veena whereas, for Muslims, reading the Koran -- the word of Allah -- gives the greatest solace. At his first press conference after his nomination, Kalam recited verses from the Gita. He could have recited the Quranic verses in which a devout human being thanks Allah for bestowing knowledge and worldly positions on him.

 

[mehboobkz]

I have snubbed the thread starter in the earlier posts but as now he has come clear what is saying so i think he is write.

We are not judging anyone.


There are some basics which should not violated one of these is anyone who does any shirk is out of Islam.

There are two kinds of sins

1. Gunnah-e-Kabeera (the ones which are not pardonable it also includes shirk which means bowing to any deity or accept anyone other than Allah as God)

Thanks - you said it loud and clear!

 

[Anonymous_Clown]

I know many people in Pakistan who are Muslim by name only. They break many cardinal rules of Islam. The only difference with Dr Kalam is that they publicly profess Islam but privately live life like a scoundrel. We Pakistanis cannot pass judgment on Indian Muslims when many public people in our Islamic Republic cannot pass the same litmus test.

Why should you judge anyone at all?! Why this arrogance of being able to 'pass judgement on other Muslims'? Even after Pakistani society is being ripped apart by riots and violence, I hear the same BS from people: Shias are not "true Muslims", Ahmadiyas are not "true Muslims".

Stop being a judge of other's Musalman credentials.

 

[mehboobkz]

For heavens sake do not turn us (in this forum) in to some kind of "kangaroo court" to discuss and decide on this matter.
And please do not attempt to give "your verdict", just as we ought not to give "our verdict" on what you seem to have set out to do in this thread.

Please dont count yourself as one of the kangroo!

 

[Shattered]

When you are celebrity or head of a state, these kind of things do happen.

Similar things happened to Obama too.

If Obama was okey, why not APJ Kalam?

Its not okay to question someone's fiath even obama. Why judge people on what they beleive in judge em by what they do.

 

[nForce]

A Muslim is not allowed to recite Gita or Bible, thats why they are banned not only in Mecca, but in the whole Saudi.

please provide source

 

[Spring Onion]

Faith and relegion is personal thing why do you wanna disscuse some one's personal beleifs (spellings) ?

I am not at all interested in his personal faith or belief but this thread has atleast highlighted one thing and it has busted Indian claim of having a Muslim President lolxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

A Person who is following Hinduism in reality .

 

[mehboobkz]

Why should you judge anyone at all?! Why this arrogance of being able to 'pass judgement on other Muslims'? Even after Pakistani society is being ripped apart by riots and violence, I hear the same BS from people: Shias are not "true Muslims", Ahmadiyas are not "true Muslims".

Stop being a judge of other's Musalman credentials.

Obama was hammered much more than that by people of a democratic country like the USA on this subject, so dont loose your sleep.

What is sauce for the goose should be the sauce for the gender.

 

[SQ8]

Whether APJ Kalam is a muslim or athiest should not have any say in his selection as president in India as far as my little understanding of the Indian constitution goes.
Religion is one's own personal matter in my view...
If Indians boast about having a Muslim president then they belie the Idea of India being secular... a secular nation does not care about who is what... it does not matter.
The Religion on my ID card is only needed by people in case I die and no one is there to claim me for burial... so they know how to bury me... That is what it should be.
Its sad.. that Initially people were embraced into the circle of Islam on the slightest of intentions and good will in Islam's golden era. Now people look for excuses to expunge people from Islam.
In the words of Gen Tariq.. " Who are these people to hand out certificates on who is a good Muslim or not?"
It is up to god to decide... He will judge APJ on what his beliefs and deeds were.. not maulana so and so.