IRIAF S-80 thunderbolt (photo gallery)

[SOHEIL]

Yes, it is a weakness, dramatically rising the danger of detection by the human eye! But my personal experience is it happens only when they fly at low speed especially in landing, take off & no need to say in Parade occasions.

 

[TopCat]

It was an advanced jet trainer aircraft. It sounds to have some Russian technology support especially from Mikoyan. I do not exactly know what happened to that project. Melika may provide us more information about his/her claim of abortion.

but some pics never gonna be a bad idea:

Looks like Yak-130

Empiricism proved us the indigenous products are better choices, even their performance are not the best. I think that's why Pakistan follows JF17 project, too.



F14 is an interceptor which flies at high altitudes in most of it's operational life. The new painting (blue-gray one) provides better camouflage in the sky. So, personally, I prefer the new painting.

Depends on the size of the air force. Complete indegenous program only make sense for USA/Russia/China and India.

Empiricism proved us the indigenous products are better choices, even their performance are not the best. I think that's why Pakistan follows JF17 project, too.



F14 is an interceptor which flies at high altitudes in most of it's operational life. The new painting (blue-gray one) provides better camouflage in the sky. So, personally, I prefer the new painting.

Depends on the size of the air force. Complete indegenous program only make sense for USA/Russia/China and India.

 

[Ir.Tab.]

Mig 29 M does not have black smoke

Yes, it's true. The power plant of Mig 29M, RD-33MK, has 7% more power in comparison to the baseline model & In response to long time criticism, the new engines are smokeless and contain improvements that reduce its infrared visibility.

Depends on the size of the air force. Complete indegenous program only make sense for USA/Russia/China and India.

and when you have no other option!

 

[Luftwaffe]

What are IRIAF Plans to replace F-1/F-4/F-7/F-5 as F-4 is atleast 34 Years old in IRAF, F-7 26 Years old and F-5 38-42 Years old And F-1 Mirages has spares-engines problems and almost nill weapons.

Should Iran NOT pursue for a single unified Fleet a common platform compatible and maintainable from point of view of engineering ground crew, OR would IRIAF be flying them until "AMCA" is certified for production would it be cost effective solution to replace estimated 72-120 [no credible information regarding numbers operational] F-1/F-4/F-7/F-5 Fleet.

A country under severe sanction would not 3-4 Types be better operational rather 7-9 Types which in itself is costly and hassle.

Any Iranian member with good information and if any good sources as to what Iran is planning regarding phasing out and introducing AFAIK, Iran is developing couple of platforms explaining that they would not be fully introduced as these are examples and tests pre their 4.5/5 Gen [reference HESA Saeqeh 20-24 numbers, HESA Azarakhsh 11 numbers]

 

[Birbal]

What are IRIAF Plans to replace F-1/F-4/F-7/F-5 as F-4 is atleast 34 Years old in IRAF, F-7 26 Years old and F-5 38-42 Years old And F-1 Mirages has spares-engines problems and almost nill weapons.

Should Iran NOT pursue for a single unified Fleet a common platform compatible and maintainable from point of view of engineering ground crew, OR would IRIAF be flying them until "AMCA" is certified for production would it be cost effective solution to replace estimated 72-120 [no credible information regarding numbers operational] F-1/F-4/F-7/F-5 Fleet.

A country under severe sanction would not 3-4 Types be better operational rather 7-10 Types which in itself is costly and hassle.

Any Iranian member with good information and if any good sources as to what Iran is planning regarding phasing out and introducing AFAIK, Iran is developing couple of platforms explaining that they would not be fully introduced as these are examples and tests pre their 4.5/5 Gen [reference HESA Saeqeh 20-24 numbers, HESA Azarakhsh 11 numbers]

Personally I wouldn't actually replace those aircraft. I'd keep them in reserve. In the event of an aerial war, they'll make great aircraft to swarm with.

 

[Ir.Tab.]

What are IRIAF Plans to replace F-1/F-4/F-7/F-5 as F-4 is atleast 34 Years old in IRAF, F-7 26 Years old and F-5 38-42 Years old And F-1 Mirages has spares-engines problems and almost nill weapons.

Should Iran NOT pursue for a single unified Fleet a common platform compatible and maintainable from point of view of engineering ground crew, OR would IRIAF be flying them until "AMCA" is certified for production would it be cost effective solution to replace estimated 72-120 [no credible information regarding numbers operational] F-1/F-4/F-7/F-5 Fleet.

A country under severe sanction would not 3-4 Types be better operational rather 7-9 Types which in itself is costly and hassle.

Any Iranian member with good information and if any good sources as to what Iran is planning regarding phasing out and introducing AFAIK, Iran is developing couple of platforms explaining that they would not be fully introduced as these are examples and tests pre their 4.5/5 Gen [reference HESA Saeqeh 20-24 numbers, HESA Azarakhsh 11 numbers]

As you know developing an indigenous technology is not an easy task especially "Aviation" one. When I first heard about Indian HAL Tejas fighter program I was 16 years old boy. now I am 32 years old man! and LCA is a fighter of Indian air force. The same story is for JF17.

No one really expects from Iranian engineers to develop a F22 at a glance. We know it is a step by step road map. I accept there are some propaganda type sayings from non-expert Iranian officers, lighting our engineers works and really annoying in my way of thinking.

Let us to not forget fighters are for nations freedom, and they claim our freedom for their cutting edge technologies.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Actually, what I am asking for the information as what is the clear road map to replace older fleets these Aircrafts can do so much more. A member said keep them as Reserves to which there can be no agreement Today missiles are smart and guided these airframes wouldn't last longer. The airframe has a life span neither of these planes have gone under real MLU and Life Extension [by western standards]. The Aircrafts by 2015 would not be air worthy.

ESTIMATED APPROX STRENGTH 280/300 AND TOTAL 10 TYPES
F-1 [18-20 operational no information on how spares-weapons acquired]
F-4 [28-33, 212 were originally procured by that estimated atleast 72 should be operational]
F-5 [more than 150 in some estimates more than 225 procured with many sold to other nations atleast 54-72 operational]
F-7 [24-32 operational]
F-14 [unknown number operational possibly 2 squadrons]
SU-24 [24 operational]
SU-25 [6-10 operational]
MIG-29 [72-90 operational]
HESA Saeqeh [20-24]
HESA Azarakhsh [11]

This is the complete picture, it seems to be a very tough job for engineering ground crew to maintain these Fleet-Numbers.

 

[bdslph]

Actually, what I am asking for the information as what is the clear road map to replace older fleets these Aircrafts can do so much more. A member said keep them as Reserves to which there can be no agreement Today missiles are smart and guided these airframes wouldn't last longer. The airframe has a life span neither of these planes have gone under real MLU and Life Extension [by western standards]. The Aircrafts by 2015 would not be air worthy.

ESTIMATED APPROX STRENGTH 280/300 AND TOTAL 10 TYPES
F-1 [18-20 operational no information on how spares-weapons acquired]
F-4 [28-33, 212 were originally procured by that estimated atleast 72 should be operational]
F-5 [more than 150 in some estimates more than 225 procured with many sold to other nations atleast 54-72 operational]
F-7 [24-32 operational]
F-14 [unknown number operational possibly 2 squadrons]
SU-24 [24 operational]
SU-25 [6-10 operational]
MIG-29 [72-90 operational]
HESA Saeqeh [20-24]
HESA Azarakhsh [11]

This is the complete picture, it seems to be a very tough job for engineering ground crew to maintain these Fleet-Numbers.

yes it is as the Irani Eng. have to fix everything to make the plane flyable

 

[Zabaniyah]

Very interesting news!
Silent Fulcrum!

Mockup of F-15 Silent Eagle.

 

[Ir.Tab.]

Actually, what I am asking for the information as what is the clear road map to replace older fleets these Aircrafts can do so much more. A member said keep them as Reserves to which there can be no agreement Today missiles are smart and guided these airframes wouldn't last longer. The airframe has a life span neither of these planes have gone under real MLU and Life Extension [by western standards]. The Aircrafts by 2015 would not be air worthy.

ESTIMATED APPROX STRENGTH 280/300 AND TOTAL 10 TYPES
F-1 [18-20 operational no information on how spares-weapons acquired]
F-4 [28-33, 212 were originally procured by that estimated atleast 72 should be operational]
F-5 [more than 150 in some estimates more than 225 procured with many sold to other nations atleast 54-72 operational]
F-7 [24-32 operational]
F-14 [unknown number operational possibly 2 squadrons]
SU-24 [24 operational]
SU-25 [6-10 operational]
MIG-29 [72-90 operational]
HESA Saeqeh [20-24]
HESA Azarakhsh [11]

This is the complete picture, it seems to be a very tough job for engineering ground crew to maintain these Fleet-Numbers.

yes, it is a very tough job. I have to thanks them lot, protecting my nation from un-natural demands from west & east.

Mockup of F-15 Silent Eagle.

And make sure you did not forget the AMRAAM missiles. That picture just shows the possibility of an idea.