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The technical effort required to fix this issue is negligible.
adding Sejjil to F-14 took a decade and the problem was not f-14 carrying the missile or releasing it . it was mainly introduce a delay between the aircraft release the missile and the missile start, making it compatible with AWG-9 was a lot easier

that datalink , interact with all airplane critical system , its not easy modify it . and intrestingly your guys solution is paying twice for the aircraft subsystem , once for russian one and anotheer one for our own system and as i said it won't fix PESA problem and OLS-35 deficiencies and its limited E-warfare capabilities (well you can fix this one with a POD)
 
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“In addressing the acquisition of Su-35 Flanker F’s as per Joe_Adam, he states that he would “love to see Iranian made hi-tech/long range superiority fighters but due to lack of funds, the projects started slow in piecemeal fashion. That must be overcome, hopefully very soon.”

I have for a substantial time studied the above and wish to ad my 2c worth to this discussion.

To this end I have included a shortcut to a drop box that contains a five part ‘paper’ in which I attempt to do just this.

These five parts amounts to 148MB though and are heavy on images plus explanatory text. It renders the best when opened in Word.

This paper would not have been possible without posts to Secret Projects (UK), and https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iriaf-news-and-discussions.

Updated Link DropBox

 
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upgraded no , must be replaced and just think how Russia be happy if you do that .
and even if you do that there is small problem of old RADAR , Old IRST and limited E-Warfare capabilities .
more importantly the numbers will be limited and have no impact at all

This has been debunked repeatedly

Russia did it for Chinese SU-30’s no problem. China had some of the first technologies that no other SU-30/SU-35 including Russian had. Russia did many first time upgrades/replacements for China. Then Chinese did their own later on and Russia didn’t care.

This myth that Russia wouldn’t be happy has zero basis considering how much they changed the flanker platform for China back in early to mid 2000’s.
 
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It is the most inmediate choice for IRIAF. J10C is not avaiable due to pressure of EU and USA to China. More interesting was John Kirby worries about new weapons deals between Iran and Russia. In such escenario, Iran is able to ask some ToT in many fields, starting from aviation machining parts and ending in alloys and machining parts for bigger submarines. Iran can even give a boost in other projects like Mig-35 that seems to be paralized.
 
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It is the most inmediate choice for IRIAF. J10C is not avaiable due to pressure of EU and USA to China. More interesting was John Kirby worries about new weapons deals between Iran and Russia. In such escenario, Iran is able to ask some ToT in many fields, starting from aviation machining parts and ending in alloys and machining parts for bigger submarines. Iran can even give a boost in other projects like Mig-35 that seems to be paralized.

Kiss China good bye as an option. They didn’t even military support the closest thing they have to an ally and communist like minded country in Russia, what do you think they will do for Iran?

Even after recent color revolution activities in the country (COVID protests) China is still antsy of engaging the west.

Any possibility of major arms deal with China is quite frankly absurd. Minor Tech transfers and component transfers still happen behind the scenes, but that’s because it’s difficult for West to prove.

Russian-Iranian military relations only got better because Russia has literally no one to turn to for arms besides Iran (and maybe North Korea).
 
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as far as I'm aware kinematic power have zero impact on detection range

Then read the "Tweets" again. They explain in what way it does.

sadly for your theory that data-link on su-35 is propriety and can't talk with the data link used in rest of Iran equipment ,

A compatible one can be developed locally.

well there always is the options to throw away 40 years of heard work an achievement and built our defense industry around outdated su-35. so we satisfy some people urge to buy something from Russia (outdated OLS-35, Outdated Radar outdated e-warfare system)

The propositions at hand are not mutually exclusive.

If Iran decides to purchase two-three squadrons of Su-35 (assuming Russia will accept to deliver), while at the same time proceeding to manufacture 100 to 120 Kosars, Simorq AEW aircraft, Simorq aerial refueling planes, to develop and produce new AAM weapons and jammers, to keep up the R&D on engines, to start work on a future domestic heavy fighter, to continue churning out UAV's en masse and designing new ones, that would not amount to 'throwing away 40 years of hard work and achievements'.

The above described program would actually imply an unprecedented expansion of Iran's aerospace industry. A limited order of Su-35 wouldn't interfere with it, on the contrary these measures would be complementary.

and incidentally your knowledgeable source

The source is knowledgeable. Patarames explained in those posts how the Su-35 would enhance Iran's defensive capabilities.

claim Low RCS aircraft can be detected with s-band radar , interestingly its L-Band that work better against Low RCS object not S-band and guess what latest models of su-35 have it but L-band can't be used for targeting enemy , you knew something is out there but you must wait till you reach in range that your x-band radar can pick enemy to engage it in short its only good for knowing there is F-35 there and escape as soon as possible . if we want airplane for escape , better not waste money on it at all

I trust Patarames won't be making amateurish mistakes about radars and detection. The user's credentials don't really stand to debate in the field of defense technology.

Iranians with opposite geopolitical leanings ought to come to terms with the fact that Iran will continue military cooperation with both Russia and China. The Islamic Republic isn't going to reduce ties with partners and there will be no rapprochement with the west. Nor will this put the any dent into Iran's domestic defence industry, as it never did.
 
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Russian Su-35s Could Soon Be Delivered To Iran, Pilots Trained Last Spring​

U.S. officials say Russian training for Iranian pilots on the Su-35 is part of a deepening relationship spurred on by the conflict in Ukraine.

by Joseph Trevithick | PUBLISHED Dec 9, 2022 6:54 PM

 
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Russian Su-35s Could Soon Be Delivered To Iran, Pilots Trained Last Spring​

U.S. officials say Russian training for Iranian pilots on the Su-35 is part of a deepening relationship spurred on by the conflict in Ukraine.

byJoseph Trevithick | PUBLISHED Dec 9, 2022 6:54 PM

JOSEPH TREVITHICK's 15 paragraph keeps repeating the same theme over & over again "Iran's air arm continues to rely heavily on Cold War-era U.S.-made F-4 Phantom IIs, F-14 Tomcats, and F-5E/F Tiger IIs and locally reworked versions thereof, all of which were inherited following the 1979 revolution and are increasingly difficult to sustain. Relatively small numbers of dated Soviet, French, and Chinese types are also in Iran's inventory.", and yet, the he goes to show the US/western concerns about the infusion of new technology into Iran's air force. And yet again, contradicting his own theme by bragging about the highly sophisticated US aircrafts possessed by Israel & S. Arabia . . ?


This is an obvious anti Iran propaganda since none of it is based on real transactions, but speculations by the Zionist quarters to inflate the coming danger from any Iran/Russia tech-transfer which unsettels the Israelis & their allies.

Iran keeps marching forward in its quest to gain the upper hand in military technologies by all means possible, which is a very good sign since no nation on earth could master all modern hi-tech technologies based strictly on local knowledge. So a helping hand goes a long way for both Iran and Russia to transfer their core competencies to the other side by which both nations reduce their RD budgets and the manufacturing time, save billion of dollars, and obtain proven mature technologies for almost no cost.
 
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Then read the "Tweets" again. They explain in what way it does.



A compatible one can be developed locally.



The propositions at hand are not mutually exclusive.

If Iran decides to purchase two-three squadrons of Su-35 (assuming Russia will accept to deliver), while at the same time proceeding to manufacture 100 to 120 Kosars, Simorq AEW aircraft, Simorq aerial refueling planes, to develop and produce new AAM weapons and jammers, to keep up the R&D on engines, to start work on a future domestic heavy fighter, to continue churning out UAV's en masse and designing new ones, that would not amount to 'throwing away 40 years of hard work and achievements'.

The above described program would actually imply an unprecedented expansion of Iran's aerospace industry. A limited order of Su-35 wouldn't interfere with it, on the contrary these measures would be complementary.



The source is knowledgeable. Patarames explained in those posts how the Su-35 would enhance Iran's defensive capabilities.



I trust Patarames won't talk rubbish about radars and detection. The user's credentials in this field do not stand to debate.

Iranians with opposite geopolitical preferences ought to come to terms with the fact that Iran will continue military cooperation with both Russia and China. The Islamic Republic is not going to reduce ties with partners and there will be no rapprochement with the west. Nor will this put the any dent into Iran's domestic defence industry, as it never did.

Stop arguing with @Hack-Hook, he rather our pilots continue to die trying to save F-4’s and F-5’s and F-7’s from crashing into the ground than add some modern fighters. He believes adding some SU-35 = death of Iranian fighter jet program. With such logic adding Nodong missiles from NK in 80’s & 90’s = death of Iranian missile program.

Any argument over lack of customization is laughable considering the things Russia did for Chinese flankers in early 2000’s (very well documented) as well what China did to their own flankers afterward as modernization effort.

When China wanted to breach Taiwan airspace this year guess what they used? Flankers.
 
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JOSEPH TREVITHICK's 15 paragraph keeps repeating the same theme over & over again "Iran's air arm continues to rely heavily on Cold War-era U.S.-made F-4 Phantom IIs, F-14 Tomcats, and F-5E/F Tiger IIs and locally reworked versions thereof, all of which were inherited following the 1979 revolution and are increasingly difficult to sustain. Relatively small numbers of dated Soviet, French, and Chinese types are also in Iran's inventory.", and yet, the he goes to show the US/western concerns about the infusion of new technology into Iran's air force. And yet again, contradicting his own theme by bragging about the highly sophisticated US aircrafts possessed by Israel & S. Arabia . . ?


This is an obvious anti Iran propaganda since none of it is based on real transactions, but speculations by the Zionist quarters to inflate the coming danger from any Iran/Russia tech-transfer which unsettels the Israelis & their allies.

Iran keeps marching forward in its quest to gain the upper hand in military technologies by all means possible, which is a very good sign since no nation on earth could master all modern hi-tech technologies based strictly on local knowledge. So a helping hand goes a long way for both Iran and Russia to transfer their core competencies to the other side by which both nations reduce their RD budgets and the manufacturing time, save billion of dollars, and obtain proven mature technologies for almost no cost.
After 42 years going solo Iran has found a partner in technology and that I consider a God send for Iran...I am a fierce proponent of in-house developments but there are areas of technology that Iran needs help . Space and aviation are two areas that Russia is years ahead of Iran and there is no shame In admitting that..so Yes by all means buy the SU35 if they offer it but do not drop the in-house development of Iranian heavy fighter..they are not mutually exclusive...can not wait to see the reaction of Iran's southern neighbors when the first Su35s land in Merabad airfield..lol
 
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Then read the "Tweets" again. They explain in what way it does.
it increase the range of missile , it won't increase the range of detection . and incidentally su-35 can only benefit of it when it use its afterburner , something that reduce its range dramatically , on other hand an aircraft without supercruise capability don't have such problem
A compatible one can be developed locally.
yes but as it must interface with all critical component of airplane , it won't be cheap and it take time. and we must pay twice for it
assuming Russia will accept to deliver
assuming it's capable to deliver.
while at the same time proceeding to manufacture 100 to 120 Kosars
there is no money for both , only one and you can take your pick , don't forget the budget to increase the capabilities od all Iranian armed force branches, is about 4 milliard euro , you think how much is for air force?
Simorq AEW aircraft, Simorq aerial refueling planes, to develop and produce new AAM weapons and jammers, to keep up the R&D on engines, to start work on a future domestic heavy fighter, to continue churning out UAV's en masse and designing new ones, that would not amount to 'throwing away 40 years of hard work and achievements'.
only if you spend 6-7 milliard dollar on 4x squadron of su-35 there won't be any left for the rest
The source is knowledgeable. Patarames explained in those posts how the Su-35 would enhance Iran's defensive capabilities.
i don't doubt that , but he wrote that tweets based on another article and he also could not answer my concerns about the deal.
I trust Patarames won't be making amateurish mistakes about radars and detection. The user's credentials don't really stand to debate in the field of defense technology.
hi mistake L-Band with S-band . you can deny it , but the post is out there for anybody to see it
if it was s-band then there was no problem using it for engaging low rcs aircraft as many air defence system around the world use s-band radar

Russian Su-35s Could Soon Be Delivered To Iran, Pilots Trained Last Spring​

U.S. officials say Russian training for Iranian pilots on the Su-35 is part of a deepening relationship spurred on by the conflict in Ukraine.

by Joseph Trevithick | PUBLISHED Dec 9, 2022 6:54 PM

they said the same about su-30
Stop arguing with @Hack-Hook, he rather our pilots continue to die trying to save F-4’s and F-5’s and F-7’s from crashing into the ground than add some modern fighters.
outdated that fall from sky in any conflict with what our neighbors have
Nodong missiles from NK in 80’s & 90’s = death of Iranian missile program.
those nodong was base of iran modern missile program. not something to compete with them
Any argument over lack of customization is laughable considering the things Russia did for Chinese flankers in early 2000’s (very well documented) as well what China did to their own flankers afterward as modernization effort.
consider that india since 2006 is waiting for AESA radar for Su-30 , where is that radar ?
and remember the lack of it made india had to keep the aircraft 100km away from any conflict area.
by the way its how many years we are waiting for SM2 upgrade for our mig-29 (its an old Upgrade and not even the latest upgrade)
When China wanted to breach Taiwan airspace this year guess what they used? Flankers.
8 x J-16 and one y-8
well buy those su-35 with standards like J-16 and I'm not that much against it but still believe developing kowsar program is the way to go.
 
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