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[tsunset]

Su-35 is more maneuverable than F-4 and F-5 and F-14

 

[Hack-Hook]

Su-35 is more maneuverable than F-4 and F-5 and F-14

again what is the use , what super maneuverability bring to modern air warfare outside air-shows ?
are you guys suggesting that su-35 can outmaneuver incoming enemy missiles ?
honestly do you guys get your information from TopGun Movies ? news for you all the airplane were shot down by air defense if it was real . the missile even don't need to hit aircraft to destroy it and it certainly won't chase aircraft . it don't care if the aircraft stop mid flight

 

[strateger]

After seeing how effective Iranian drones and missiles have been against NATO equipment in Ukraine, I wouldn't doubt how effective other Iranian technology such as Toofan APC's, Karrar and other tanks, and Kowsar jets. It's clear that those F5's are probably the most upgraded in the world, and if they are indeed new airframes, engines, avionics, etc as it appears I wouldn't doubt them at all. Seeing Iranian equipment in Iraq, Kurdistan, Syria, and now Ukraine.... absolutely no reason to doubt them.

Russia can't fully use MIG-35, SU-35, SU-34, etc in Ukraine because of modern air defense. This is a good warning for any country who spends a fortune on fighter jets. The most used jet in Ukraine has been SU-24s and SU-25s, both Cold War era jets. To hit targets Russia has used Iskander missiles, cruise missiles, and Iranian drones.

Iran should be manufacturing modern cruise missiles in huge quantities instead of fighter jets... and keep producing Kowsar and introduce a bomber they can make like reverse-engineered F4's of SU-22's... Iran already has cruise-missile style weapons systems for F4's and SU-22's... Might as well just make the jet and continue upgrading. Russia literally can't use MIG-35's or SU-35's in Ukraine because of Air Defense. Why make them?

Iran Air Force:
Kowsar
Modern F4
Modern SU-22

That's it. Everything else is cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, air defense, artillery, and ground forces.

 

[jauk]

This person posted a clip of an SU-35 landing in Iran:

 

[Hack-Hook]

Russia can't fully use MIG-35, SU-35, SU-34, etc in Ukraine because of modern air defense. This is a good warning for any country who spends a fortune on fighter jets. The most used jet in Ukraine has been SU-24s and SU-25s, both Cold War era jets. To hit targets Russia has used Iskander missiles, cruise missiles, and Iranian drones.

No its more because they didn't care about SEAD and didn't properly invested in that aspect of air force . su-34 and su-30 also didn't faired well knew why because of Russia obsession with FAB-500 and Fab-1000

 

[Hack-Hook]

This person posted a clip of an SU-35 landing in Iran:

probably refueled in Iran on their way to Syria

 

[tsunset]

again what is the use , what super maneuverability bring to modern air warfare outside air-shows ?
are you guys suggesting that su-35 can outmaneuver incoming enemy missiles ?
honestly do you guys get your information from TopGun Movies ? news for you all the airplane were shot down by air defense if it was real . the missile even don't need to hit aircraft to destroy it and it certainly won't chase aircraft . it don't care if the aircraft stop mid flight

Could a supposed AESA Kowsar carry R-37 AAM? This is the longest range and fastest AAM, Su-35 can carry it but i don't know if Russia would allow to sell it

Fakour is too heavy, too big, slow, not agile and got an overkill payload, this is made like the aim-54 made to hit multiple fighters in formation at once '

 

[Hack-Hook]

Could a supposed AESA Kowsar carry R-37 AAM? This is the longest range and fastest AAM, Su-35 can carry it but i don't know if Russia would allow to sell it

su-35 can't use that missile against for example a mig-29 at the range above 100km
because it simply don't get a lock at those distance

Fakour is too heavy, too big, slow, not agile and got an overkill payload, this is made like the aim-54 made to hit multiple fighters in formation at once '

Fakour is not suitable for the role , there is indication of Iran working on something based on AIM-7 body for the role

 

[Iraqi soldier]

I once read that Dehghani Firouzabadi, Scientific Assistant to the President of the Republic, demanded that the production of electronic chips based on 180 nanometer technology begin.
But I searched a lot and did not find this wonderful news
There are many countries that Iran can supply with this technology, such as Russia, China and India
It has quartz sand with a purity of 99%
It has wafer-based industries such as solar panels, LED lights and screens, as well as electronic chips.
If anyone finds it, please tag me

 

[Iraqi soldier]

Su-35 is more maneuverable than F-4 and F-5 and F-14

Maneuvering for fighters is not an important issue

Iran knows what it needs
Iran has gone through experiences and gained experience from the wars it went through or happened next to it
It has possessed fighters with long-range missile and radar features.
This is what you need in wars today
This is what Iran is looking for in fighters
AESA long range radar
And BVR missiles, I think Iran can manufacture it because it has two experiments, the first in the Fakour industry, and the second in the Sayyad 4B industry.

Iran knows the importance of electronic warfare from its observation of the recent American wars.
America relies on the suppression of air defense systems and electronic warfare
Therefore, it will pay great attention to this aspect in the manufacture or purchase of its fighters

 

[strateger]

Su-35 is more maneuverable than F-4 and F-5 and F-14

Which means nothing... There are no dog fights. Fighter jets are mobile cruise missile launchers now for the most part. Mobile cruise missile launchers and ground support.

Fully modernized F4 - Ability to produce new engines, airframes, avionics, etc.... Upgraded/new J79 engines
Fully modernized F5 - Ability to produce new engines, airframes, avionics, etc..... Upgraded/new J85 engines
Fully modernized SU-22 - Ability to produce new engines, airframes, avionics, etc.... Upgraded/new AL-21 engines

+

Cruise missiles
Ballistic missiles
Air defense

That's it right there.

 

[sha ah]

Iran's F-4s are over 50 years old now. How much longer can Iran continue to use them ? Until they're 60 years old ? 70 years old ? The US is about to retire its fleet of F-22s. Fighter jets are only meant to be used for 20-30 years. Airframes and parts can only last for so long, they can only take so much wear and tear before they break down completely.

Which means nothing... There are no dog fights. Fighter jets are mobile cruise missile launchers now for the most part. Mobile cruise missile launchers and ground support.

Fully modernized F4 - Ability to produce new engines, airframes, avionics, etc.... Upgraded/new J79 engines
Fully modernized F5 - Ability to produce new engines, airframes, avionics, etc..... Upgraded/new J85 engines
Fully modernized SU-22 - Ability to produce new engines, airframes, avionics, etc.... Upgraded/new AL-21 engines

+

Cruise missiles
Ballistic missiles
Air defense

That's it right there.

 

[Iraqi soldier]

Here's the story of the fighters
The fighter is used to carry weapons and sensors (missiles, radar...) and deliver them to the enemy after detecting and destroying the target, and it must have protection elements from air threats such as missiles and interceptors, so it is equipped with interceptor missiles, jamming devices and electronic warfare, and these aircraft are in constant contact with the command to receive orders or change assignment.

Therefore, it must have an engine and the rest of the above-mentioned elements...
Iran looks at the war from its angle
She doesn't have that technology and industry
And if you get it, it will be after a long time

Therefore, I resorted to other, more effective methods in confronting the assault and collecting it quickly

It focused on ballistic missiles that can hit the target quickly, powerfully, and accurately, and can bypass defenses and electronic warfare

On the other hand, it relied on providing a local industry for the most powerful defense systems

Thus, it has invested its money in a better, more effective and powerful way to prevent war or repel aggression

At the same time, Iran has not stopped working to obtain technology that has a dual use in the military and civil fields, such as engines, secure communications, and monitoring targets in the event of an internal rebellion.


I think it has experts who study and analyze what Iran should get and arrange it according to a list of priorities from most important to important...

 

[sha ah]

 

[Flotilla]

Therefore, I resorted to other, more effective methods in confronting the assault and collecting it quickly

It focused on ballistic missiles that can hit the target quickly, powerfully, and accurately, and can bypass defenses and electronic warfare

Anyway, sooner or later you need good SAM systems to protect those ballistic missiles. And for protecting those SAM sites you need good range aircrafts. Here comes F14s that were soooo good, but they are dying. So buying some Su35 will always enhance your integrated air defense grid.
Kowsar are very good for CAS missions, they are useful as fighters, they can be in QRA in their bases. But for CAP patrols and dissuade Americans bombers and other aircraft equiped with long range missiles you need a good long range aircraft that can complement and eventually replace old F14s. Nobody doubts about remarkable effort to make a truly multirole F5 (Kowsar). But IRIN needs a long range, wide body (twin engine), multisensor and connected to that air defense grid... and only J16 and Su35 are avaiable for IRIN right now. Future will show more exciting milestones in Iran aeronautical industries. But Su35 it is good, more than good right now.