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[Saleh99]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1318556753034940420

Can anybody Translate? He said no purchase agreement but upgrade the current fleet, and other thing about easter land force fighter jets? If someone can translate better...

 

[skyshadow]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1318556753034940420

Can anybody Translate? He said no purchase agreement but upgrade the current fleet, and other thing about easter land force fighter jets? If someone can translate better...

he is saying that i'm disappointed , i found thare is no purchase for air force yet and what DM said was that they ( Russians ) just going to upgrade there fighter jets that Iran has.

 

[Saleh99]

he is saying that i'm disappointed , i found thare is no purchase for air force yet and what DM said was that they ( Russians ) just going to upgrade there fighter jets that Iran has.

So basically upgrade the su-24 and mig-29. Upgrading the mig-29 to M standard is very good, but still iran needs 2-3 squadrons of advanced fighters.

 

[Mithridates]

seems like no su-30sm, instead su 35 and 34s are coming.

 

[skyshadow]

seems like no su-30sm, instead su 35 and 34s are coming.

it seems so but don't be surprised if you see some SU-27 SM2 in them.

 

[sanel1412]

Oh for god sake, leave those tweets, they dont knkw shit like anyone else, Iranian officials gave few details but all contracts and agreements will be beld secret till last moment, simple due secondary sanctions threat from US and also Iran current situation. Iran defense minister, as IRGC and other officials told few times, after embargo Iran and Russia will need new agreements and contracts, it will include upgrade and new jets... how much, no one know, it depends from many factors... also it is confirmed China-Iran 25 years deal....it will start from November... including military side....Iran need upgrade for its existing fleet and new jets, since it is imposible to buy so many aircrafts in short time to replace whole fleet, and it doesnt work like that even if Iran vas money and Russia and China can produce so many aircraft. Russia cant even to catch own air forces orders...Upgrade for existing fleet along with new orders will make sure everything goes smooth... you cant just replace 400 aircrafts with new,and considering Russian foreign and domestic orders.... they cant deliver to much over short period, and it doesnt make sense to order 4+ gen aircrafts that will be delivered in 5-6 years when it is expecting 5th gen Russian and Chinese aircrafts will be available than. Olso it no government will throw huge sum of money in short period in situation when country is under sanctions and covid-19. So Iran will probably go for few smaller contracts over 1-2 year rather than one huge.... this olso better suits Russia and China in current situation.... There will be probably many technology transfer and boost to Iranian domestic projects, this can be done almost under table without to much pomp....

 

[vizier]

Does your main bulk of interceptor planes have landing capability to land on highway strips?

The enemy will firstly target your airbases by cruise missiles or similar long range elements. Some countries have 100s of kms of highways with hardened concrete and about 4 lanes. If some part is damaged other parts can be used while the damaged part is repaired.

Countries like Pakistan also made those types of drills several times before. Turkey also has this capability. However the need is not a few kms of additional highway strip. these are all visible from spy satellites and a few missiles more can finish all air assets take off capability. The length of these strips should be several 100s of kms in total. It would be impossible to take out all of them at the same time giving planes to land and operate options while damaged parts are being repaired.

 

[TheImmortal]

Does your main bulk of interceptor planes have landing capability to land on highway strips?

The enemy will firstly target your airbases by cruise missiles or similar long range elements. Some countries have 100s of kms of highways with hardened concrete and about 4 lanes. If some part is damaged other parts can be used while the damaged part is repaired.

Countries like Pakistan also made those types of drills several times before. Turkey also has this capability. However the need is not a few kms of additional highway strip. these are all visible from spy satellites and a few missiles more can finish all air assets take off capability. The length of these strips should be several 100s of kms in total. It would be impossible to take out all of them at the same time giving planes to land and operate options while damaged parts are being repaired.

The North Korean and Taiwan route of underground (mountain) airbases is much more viable than using highways and within Iranian defense doctrine.

5 mountain air bases housing 30 aircraft each can protect 150 aircraft from airstrikes.

Throw up titanium or super alloy nets during non launch periods around the entrances and any incoming cruise missile will be sliced to shreds.

 

[vizier]

The North Korean and Taiwan route of underground (mountain) airbases is much more viable than using highways and within Iranian defense doctrine.

5 mountain air bases housing 30 aircraft each can protect 150 aircraft from airstrikes.

Throw up titanium or super alloy nets during non launch periods around the entrances and any incoming cruise missile will be sliced to shreds.

That is another viable option. But why not use both. Taiwan which has relatively small size has 1000km highway for this purpose as well as mountain bases.

 

[Philosopher]

The arrival of manoeuvring hypersonic systems means airfields are indeed going to be much more vulnerable going forward. Well concealed and protected airbases are a must for Iran. Iran has the expertise, it will be done.

 

[TheImmortal]

That is another viable option. But why not use both. Taiwan which has relatively small size has 1000km highway for this purpose as well as mountain bases.

Because the fighter jet still has to make its way to the highway?

People who think of this concept completely forget this aspect. The fighter jet needs to be loaded onto a Transporter and taken to the highway. It won’t MAGICALLY teleport to the highway. During this process, fighter jet is vulnerable to attack from drones, CMs, etc.

Underground and fortified airbases with built in take off lanes should be the future of storage.

 

[vizier]

Because the fighter jet still has to make its way to the highway?

People who think of this concept completely forget this aspect. The fighter jet needs to be loaded onto a Transporter and taken to the highway. It won’t MAGICALLY teleport to the highway. During this process, fighter jet is vulnerable to attack from drones, CMs, etc.

Underground and fortified airbases with built in take off lanes should be the future of storage.

They can use the mountain base as an initial option but although fortified it cant stand continious attacks. The gate can be damaged indirectly not with a direct hit but explosion nearby and continious explosions would render it unusable. All your eggs will be in one basket enclosed inside mountain. But during attacks the planes especially lighter stol capable ones taking off from mountain bases or well ads protected open bases can position themselves on the 1000km highway as an unsinkable aircraft carrier.

 

[TheImmortal]

They can use the mountain base as an initial option but although fortified it cant stand continious attacks. The gate can be damaged indirectly not with a direct hit but explosion nearby and continious explosions would render it unusable. All your eggs will be in one basket enclosed inside mountain. But during attacks the planes especially lighter stol capable ones taking off from mountain bases or well ads protected open bases can position themselves on the 1000km highway as an unsinkable aircraft carrier.

Mountain air bases have been built to survive nuclear attack and China built over 60 of them during Cold War. I am sure China knew more about survivability than a random person on the internet.

Super alloy or titanium nets can cover the entrance when not in use thus causing early detonation when CMs attempt to attack the bases entrances. It is the same concept that tanks use with the “cage” armour. Also the entrance can be constructed with reinforced blast doors. As well as multiple blast doors throughout the facility. (Though 2 is likely sufficient)

Any damage to entrance can be quickly repaired and with CMs negated (Due to alloy netting) it would force fighter jets to get close in order to accurately target the entrance. That is when Bavar and S-300 AD systems can strike and cause the enemy substantial losses.

5-7 bases scattered across the country housing Iran’s most important interceptors and embedded within multiple air defense rings. It would be costly for opponent to target them.

Highways don’t help in regards to maintenance, refueling, re-arming, and repairs. Underground bases do.

In today’s day and age, spy satellites would monitor areas and aim to take out fighter jets when being transported to highways. retrieving the fighter jet is a hassle. Then transporting it back to a base for repairs and fuel and arms is an inefficient process.

 

[Mithridates]

during the early phases of cold was europeans also concluded that their airports will not be able to hold up against Soviet attacks and they decided to pursue VTOL planes.
might be with modern solutions we can solve the problems europeans faced those days and use that concept.

 

[Philosopher]

Something not talked about, but there is a possibility the fighter jets Iran gets from Russia is even more modernised than standard versions. For example, an SU-30/35 with the 5th generation technologies of the SU-57 such as its AESA radars. Iran has been in talks over Russia about these purchases since 2016 when Dehghan first mentioned the issue. I suppose at this point it's just best to wait and see what the details of the deals are instead of these continuous theorisations.