Saleh99
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Iran is purchasing SU-30 and SU-35 to defend its airspace NOT penetrate foreign airspace. Thus stealth is a lot less important when fighting on your home turf.
A jet powered UCAV should be stealth if it’s main goal is to penetrate foreign airspace and assist with bombing missions (look at Chinese next gen drones and Russian for example).
Or else if you build a large non LO or VLO drone it’s just gonna get shot down when it approaches enemy air space. Unless your enemy is a bunch of insurgents or like Armenia operates a 1970’s air defense network.
So basically you are saying the same as me:
Supersonic UCAVs (not stealth) with AESA radars and BVR missiles can do well the air defence task in iranian airspace, as a 1st step.
Even with a J-85 or J-79 engines, due to the BIG weight loss for an UCAV (compared to a manned aircraft), the range, the payload, the speed, the acceleration... would be good enough for these UCAVs in order to defend iranian airspace.
In the 2nd step: turbofan powered UCAVs and turbofan powered manned fighters.
Omissis......
The main, and dramatic fate is its Mig-29. NK is now producing its own Mig-29 models with its indigenous RD-33. It is not only fate but the seismic event that will have heavy consequences in the coming years, if not months.
Mig 29 are assembled in N. Korea for decades, but they never produced it on its own, I doubt they prodduce it now, in past many people mistakes this assembly line and claimed N. Norea produce mig 29. I may be wrong, but probably notAnswer from other discussion North Korea Defence Forum
If this statement were true, the problem for Iran of decoding the RD-33 would be solved, given the good relations of the past and probably the present, it should not be difficult to import this North Korean version of the RD-33, indeed better still have the possibility to have the projects and data needed to build it in IRAN.
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Where is the source? I never heard of NK's rd33 project till now. Iranian project to build a viable afterburning turbofan is very old and I believe it's in final stages and possibly not even based on rd33. Iran is far ahead in this field.the fates of NK did not stop only to the missile, contrary to the ugly westerner's assertions. The main, and dramatic fate is its Mig-29. NK is now producing its own Mig-29 models with its indigenous RD-33. It is not only fate but the seismic event that will have heavy consequences in the coming years, if not months.
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No I am not because you are wrong.
There is no true weight loss if your building a true UCAV that is ment to be an A2A fighter. Go look at how massive China’s Dark Sword drone fighter is and tell me Iranian J-85 can power that. J-79 and J-85 are terrible engines for a interceptor role. They are not fast enough.
Yoy are making chinese Dark Sword the ONLY choice for a supersonic UCAV. That is naive.
Supersonic UCAV will be in different forms, as manned fighters: light (F-16, MIG-29), semi-heavy, heavy (F-14, SU-35...), etc
J-79 engines power Phantom F-4 (heavy weight multirole interceptor) with top speed of Mach 2.2 and max payload > 8 tonnes. F-4 maximum takeoff weight of 28 tonnes.
Obviously, two J-79 can power a supersonic UCAV with enough speed and enough payload. Why I'm so sure? Because J-79 already powered a supersonic fighter (mach 2.2) with up to 8 tonnes of payload.
And weight of iranian UCAV would be clearly lighter than F-4 (no pilot, no co-pilot, no ejection seats, no vital human cells, no vital human systems...)
So UCAV's range would be better than F-4 (its main disadvantage).
Answer from other discussion North Korea Defence Forum
If this statement were true, the problem for Iran of decoding the RD-33 would be solved, given the good relations of the past and probably the present, it should not be difficult to import this North Korean version of the RD-33, indeed better still have the possibility to have the projects and data needed to build it in IRAN.
However, if this were not the case and Iran has actually decoded the J-79 (which has a power very close to the RD-33) and can already build it in series, it would be advisable to use it for the new fighter jets which appears to be on. . tables of Iranian designers and engineers, single-engine or better still twin-engine, but having the foresight that this aircraft has a fuselage configuration capable of receiving a new generation engine.
This is because if you really want to build a new completely national fighter plane that avoids any foreign sanctions or embargoes and from the very first steps you want to build both the plane and a turbofan engine from scratch, you run the risk of having to wait many years, perhaps decades. .
The J-79 is an old project = Yes
Consume a lot = Yes
is powerful = Yes
was and is a reliable engine = Yes
it is a well known engine in Iran = Yes
So, if a turbofan isn't available or won't be available in the short or medium term, why postpone a project for a new fighter plane if you have the Iranian version of the J-79 that could power it in prototypes, pre-series aircraft and even in first Tranche of series aircraft?
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It’s clear you lack the concept of understanding how pieces work together. You can’t just put at a J-79 inside any drone. The drone needs to be built to accommodate the J-79 and it’s size. So the drone will be BIG in order to incorporate the engines and fuel tanks.
The lack of cockpit, air support system, will be replaced by a full avionics suite/radar/etc.
Also don’t give me top speed of F-4 from wiki. Give me sustainable top speed. Because a J-79 powered UCAV will be going up against F-22 and F-35 that can supercruise. This is why Chinese drone has supercruise capability.
Thus you need a drone that can actually do Mach 3+ in order to be anywhere in Iranian airspace at any given time and chase down other fast fighters.
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Me think Iran holds an ace back and already has at least a function iranian prototype of an powerful fighterjet turbofan engine. So me dont think that Iran will buy lots of fighterjets from Russia or China. Maybe 24-30 to overcome the time till the own fighterjet with own turbofan take off.