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The aircraft frame was a disappointment, no doubt. Though its avionics are remarkable and do represent a serious investment by IRIAF-SSJ into producing high-quality 4th gen. avionics. Even BT seems impressed by their efforts, and he's a guy who always finds some excuse to shit on Iran's defense achievements.

I would like to point out two things however:

1.) The undercarriage of the Kowsar has a hook that I have only seen on US carrier-based aircraft. So what is it doing on the Kowsar? (Secret Aircraft Carrier project?)

2.) Last week, DM Hatami on two separate occasions announced that the new aircraft will be shown on National Defense Industry Day, which is marked annually on August 22nd. Could an actual 'new' aircraft be shown tomorrow? I think its highly unlikely, though its something to bear in mind
 
Hmmm, the helmet is very interesting to me. Nobody has mentioned it....seems very new as well.
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I'm quite happy that they claim to have developed a SVP-24 Gefest like system.

The use of this Russian system allowed high altitude bombing with dumb bombs in Syria. With 500-1000kg bombs, a reasonable ensured destruction can be achieved well outside AAA and MANPAD threat altitudes. Plus of course the fact that PGMs are much more expensive.

Whats foremost necessary for such a system is precise navigation, precise accelerometers and much testing. Fortunately navigationwise with the advanced combined INS and GPS it is already well equipped.

A close support, ground attack aircraft with a WSO that controls the weapon system, based on a cheap and low-operation cost airframe like the F-5 PLUS a SVP-24 like system would be a quite good bomb truck in terms of cost-effectiveness.
Its small planar array radar could have a SAR mode for high altitude ground attack.

The decision is not bad. They got rid of the air to air relevant second tail fin and keep it as simple and low cost as possible.
In a Syria like scenario such a bomb truck would be both sufficient and cost effective --> 50-100m CEP bombing from secure high altitude with heavy firepower, dumb Mk.83 and Mk.84 is very welcome in such scenarios.
 
The fact that Iran has gained the capability of building a complete aircraft based on the F-5 with upgraded avionics goes to show how much the IRIAF values its battle tested F-5 fleet. In my opinion it is a much better strategy for the IRIAF to build upon an aircraft that it likes and has in a sizable number as apposed to building a completely new aircraft that has similar if not lower capability compared the old venerable F-5. It will be economical for Iran to upgrade its old F-5E/F fleet with the new avionics... and similar avionics... can now be built to upgrade the rest of IRIAFs combat aircraft fleets.
 
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It was entertaining to hear that the DM brought up the modification of 100mm KS-19 AAA guns from the 50's to a guided anti-CM AAA system.

He wanted to say: Look we upgraded a completely obsolete and useless AAA system to something effective an deadly (and it really is) and started production from scratch. Now we have upgraded the obsolete F-5 into something effective too. Deep upgrade of something very old is thus no shame...

Fair enough, but don't try to sell it as a new aircraft.
 
It was entertaining to hear that the DM brought up the modification of 100mm KS-19 AAA guns from the 50's to a guided anti-CM AAA system.

He wanted to say: Look we upgraded a completely obsolete and useless AAA system to something effective an deadly (and it really is) and started production from scratch. Now we have upgraded the obsolete F-5 into something effective too. Deep upgrade of something very old is thus no shame...

Fair enough, but don't try to sell it as a new aircraft.
I don't think he meant KS-19.
 
7.5 million dollar cost saving, it means if wanted to purchase it's components from outside.

Do Iranians really believe this bullcrap? Who still makes the F-5? How would they be able to buy a plane that no one makes anymore?! Where did they get th 7.5 million figure fom?!
Also, even the cheapest Chinese made fighters cost more than 7.5 million.

These are all lies by the same liers who said that they wont let the Riyal´s value to go down, then over night the value halved.
 
Do Iranians really believe this bullcrap? Who still makes the F-5? How would they be able to buy a plane that no one makes anymore?! Where did they get th 7.5 million figure fom?!
Also, even the cheapest Chinese made fighters cost more than 7.5 million.

These are all lies by the same liers who said that they wont let the Riyal´s value to go down, then over night the value halved.
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U.S and European countries are still using the F5 (or it's variants), how do you think they replace the damaged components, by time machine?!
 
Kowsar
7.5 million U.S dollar price
45000 ft max attitude
1.2 mach speed
new ejection seat
100% made in Iran ( entire aircraft )
72 knowledge based companies and 4000 persons worked with MOD for this project
Source : IRNN
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So it is slower and fly lower than f5-E
 
Why low rcs "Kowsar" is a great achievement for Iran's air force:


F-5 from wiki:


According to defense analyst and prominent Pentagon fighter mafia (of F-16 fame) member Pierre Sprey, the F-5 was perhaps the most effective U.S. air-to-air fighter in the 1960s and early 1970s based on his published fighter effectiveness criteria.[23][24 ] Sprey defines the key factors of fighter effectiveness in order of importance as 1. Ability to surprise the enemy without being surprised, 2. On a per budget basis, ability to outnumber the enemy via lower unit cost and higher sortie rates and reliability, 3. Ability to outmaneuver the enemy, and 4. Once in position to fire by either surprise or maneuver, ability to attain reliable kills (weapon system effectiveness).[25] As a prominent example of a well implemented light fighter,[26][27] the F-5 is a close match to these criteria in the time frame before Beyond Visual Range missiles became reliable. A small visual and radar cross section size and consequent detection difficulty often conferred the F-5 the advantage of surprise.[28] The F-5 has the smallest planform area of any fighter in common usage.[29] This is a critical practical combat advantage since historically about 80% of air to air kills do occur by surprise.[30] The aircraft is highly cost effective and reliable, allowing superior numbers in the air on a per budget basis. The aircraft also has a high sortie rate, low accident rate, high maneuverability, and is armed with an effective combination of 20mm cannon and heat seeking missiles.

The F-5 earned a reputation for a jet that was hard to discern in the air and when one finally saw it, it was often after a missile or guns kill had already been called.

-- Singapore's former Chief of Air Force and F-5 pilot, Major General Ng Chee Khern.[31]

In 1970, Northrop won the International Fighter Aircraft (IFA) competition to replace the F-5A, with better air-to-air performance against aircraft like the Soviet MiG-21. The resultant aircraft, initially known as F-5A-21, subsequently became the F-5E. It had more powerful (5,000 lbf) General Electric J85-21 engines, and had a lengthened and enlarged fuselage, accommodating more fuel. Its wings were fitted with enlarged leading edge extensions, giving an increased wing area and improved maneuverability. The aircraft's avionics were more sophisticated, crucially including a radar (initially the Emerson Electric AN/APQ-153) (the F-5A and B had no radar). It retained the gun armament of two M39 cannon, one on either side of the nose of the F-5A. Various specific avionics fits could be accommodated at customer request, including an inertial navigation system, TACAN and ECMequipment.[39]

The first F-5E flew on 11 August 1972.[40] A two-seat combat-capable trainer, the F-5F, was offered, first flying on 25 September 1974, at Edwards Air Force Base, with a new nose, that was 3 feet longer, which, unlike the F-5B that did not mount a gun, allowed it to retain a single M39 cannon, albeit with a reduced ammunition capacity.[41] The two-seater was equipped with the Emerson AN/APQ-157 radar, which is a derivative of the AN/APQ-153 radar, with dual control and display systems to accommodate the two-men crew, and the radar has the same range of AN/APQ-153, around 10 nmi. On 6 April 1973, the 425th TFS at Williams Air Force Base, Ariz. received the first F-5E Tiger II.[42]

A reconnaissance version, the RF-5E Tigereye, with a sensor package in the nose displacing the radar and one cannon, was also offered.

The F-5E eventually received the official name Tiger II; 792 F-5Es, 146 F-5Fs and 12 RF-5Es were eventually built by Northrop.[38] More were built under license overseas: 91 F-5Es and -Fs in Switzerland,[43]68 by Korean Air in South Korea,[44] and 308 in Taiwan.[45]

The F-5E proved to be a successful combat aircraft for U.S. allies, but had no combat service with the U.S. Air Force (though the F-5A with modifications referred to as F-5C was flown by the U.S. in Vietnam[46]). The F-5E evolved into the single-engine F-5G, which was rebranded the F-20 Tigershark. It lost out on export sales to the F-16 in the 1980s.

The F-5E served with the U.S. Air Force from 1975 until 1990, in the 64th Aggressor Squadron and 65th Aggressor Squadron at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada, and with the 527th Aggressor Squadron at RAF Alconbury in the UK and the 26th Aggressor Squadron at Clark Air Force Base in the Philippines. The U.S. Marines purchased used F-5s from the Air Force in 1989 to replace their F-21s, which served with VMFT-401 at Marine Corps Air Station Yuma. The U.S. Navy used the F-5E extensively at the Naval Fighter Weapons School (TOPGUN) when it was located at NAS Miramar, California. When TOPGUN relocated to become part of the Naval Strike and Air Warfare Center at NAS Fallon, Nevada, the command divested itself of the F-5, choosing to rely on VC-13 (redesignated VFC-13 and which already used F-5s) to employ their F-5s as adversary aircraft. Former adversary squadrons such as VF-43 at NAS Oceana, VF-45 at NAS Key West, VF-126 at NAS Miramar, and VFA-127 at NAS Lemoore have also operated the F-5 along with other aircraft types in support of Dissimilar Air Combat Training (DACT).

The U.S. Navy F-5 fleet continues to be modernized with 36 low-hour F-5E/Fs purchased from Switzerland in 2006. These were updated as F-5N/Fs with modernized avionics and other improved systems. Currently, the only U.S. Navy and U.S. Marine Corps units flying the F-5 are VFC-13 at NAS Fallon, Nevada, VFC-111 at NAS Key West, Florida, and VMFT-401 at MCAS Yuma, Arizona.[6] Currently, VFC-111 operates 18 Northrop F-5N/F Tiger IIs. 17 of these are single-seater F-5Ns and the last is a twin-seater F-5F "FrankenTiger", the product of grafting the older front-half fuselage of an F-5F into the back-half fuselage of a newer low-hours F-5E acquired from the Swiss Air Force. A total of three "FrankenTigers" were made.[70]

According to the FAA, there are 18 privately owned F-5s in the U.S., including Canadair CF-5Ds.[71][72]

Iran

After the Iranian revolution in 1979, the new Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) was partially successful at keeping Western fighters in service during the Iran–Iraq War in the 1980s and the simple F-5 had a good service readiness until late in the war. Initially Iran took spare parts from foreign sources; later it was able to have its new aircraft industry keep the aircraft flying.[85]


Iranian F-5 during the Iran–Iraq War

IRIAF F-5s were heavily involved, flying air-to-air and air-to-ground sorties. Iranian F-5s took part in air combats with Iraqi Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21, Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23, Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-25, Su-20/22, Mirage F-1 and Super Etendards. The exact combat record is not known with many differing claims from Iraqi, Iranian, Western, and Russian sources. Many of the IRIAF's confirmed air-to-air kills were attributed to the Revolutionary Guards for political reasons.[citation needed] There are reports that an IRIAF F-5E, piloted by Major Yadollah Javadpour, shot down a MiG-25 on 6 August 1983.[86][87] Russian sources state that the first confirmed kill of a MiG-25 occurred in 1985.[88]

During the first years of service, Iranian F-5 fighter aircraft had the advantage in missile technology, using advanced versions of the IR seeking Sidewinder, later lost with deliveries of new missiles and fighters to Iraq.[89]
 
Kowsar
7.5 million U.S dollar price
45000 ft max attitude
1.2 mach speed
new ejection seat
100% made in Iran ( entire aircraft )
72 knowledge based companies and 4000 persons worked with MOD for this project
Source : IRNN
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Great achievement.
 
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