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Serpentine said:
I'm talking about ground operations. There are hundreds of pics from past few days with corpses of ISIS terrorists around Baiji city and refinery.
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People are more comfortable in ground combat/fighting. This is why when you see Hezbollah fighting in Syria they are comfortable on the ground, in Lebanon it's a whole different story. Much harder to establish yourself on ground and most of time is about survival. If there weren't air strikes the simple reality is the ground fighting would be very prolonged and slow and nobody is really that fearful since the clashes are pretty distant. When you have large air raids done and you're fighting in the open of these gas fields it is whole different story. So airstrikes is the factor that matters here. That doesn't mean you can't advance without air power.
 
It is the mobilized popular forces that defeat the terrorists these men fight with high morality.
 
Falcon29 said:
People are more comfortable in ground combat/fighting. This is why when you see Hezbollah fighting in Syria they are comfortable on the ground, in Lebanon it's a whole different story. Much harder to establish yourself on ground and most of time is about survival. If there weren't air strikes the simple reality is the ground fighting would be very prolonged and slow and nobody is really that fearful since the clashes are pretty distant. When you have large air raids done and you're fighting in the open of these gas fields it is whole different story. So airstrikes is the factor that matters here. That doesn't mean you can't advance without air power.
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Airstrikes will not do anything unless the ground troops go in. You are trying too hard to diminish the role of Iraqi forces on the ground, while it's actually them who are killing the most of ISIS terrorists. If anything, the obliteration of ISIS terrorists in past few days around Baiji is the strongest indication. Tens or hundreds of pics showing their corpses.

PS: U.S didn't conduct any airstrike against ISIS in Baiji during this operation.No one expected them to do so either.

https://twitter.com/x/status/655753543140421632
 
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Serpentine said:
Airstrikes will not do anything unless the ground troops go in. You are trying too hard to diminish the role of Iraqi forces on the ground, while it's actually them who are killing the most of ISIS terrorists. If anything, the obliteration of ISIS terrorists in past few days around Baiji is the strongest indication. Tens or hundreds of pics showing their corpses.

PS: U.S didn't conduct any airstrike against ISIS in Baiji during this operation.No one expected them to do so either.

https://twitter.com/x/status/655753543140421632
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No, without air strikes ground offensive will stall because they can setup defenses and use environment to their advantage. With 24 air raids in one day(Maybe 50 plus air strikes depending on how many bombs dropped each raid) that make it impossible for ISIS to use ground to their advantage. And hence breaks up their defense and complicates counter offensive efforts if not diminishes it completely. Without air power of US we saw what happened, they were advancing steadily, doesn't mean they would take southern part of Iraq but it means they would still be established in the areas they advanced in.
 
Falcon29 said:
No, without air strikes ground offensive will stall because they can setup defenses and use environment to their advantage. With 24 air raids in one day(Maybe 50 plus air strikes depending on how many bombs dropped each raid) that make it impossible for ISIS to use ground to their advantage. And hence breaks up their defense and complicates counter offensive efforts if not diminishes it completely. Without air power of US we saw what happened, they were advancing steadily, doesn't mean they would take southern part of Iraq but it means they would still be established in the areas they advanced in.
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Yes it's possible. And as you saw, U.S has not conducted any airstrike near Baiji. As always, they are bombing northern Iraq and areas near Kurdistan region and Mosul. So, your argument is invalid. There hasn't been one single airstrike during this operation from U.S.
 
Serpentine said:
Yes it's possible. And as you saw, U.S has not conducted any airstrike near Baiji. As always, they are bombing northern Iraq and areas near Kurdistan region and Mosul. So, your argument is invalid. There hasn't been one single airstrike during this operation from U.S.
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I honestly doubt there wasn't an air strike there, Beijeii is already largely destroyed I don't know why ISIS keeps going for it. And it probably gets shelled pretty hard.
 
Madali said:
Congrats to the Iraqi soldier. With current developments in Syria & in Iraq, extremists are probably having a very low morale.
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Bro all we needed is a brave decision from a brave man alas we lacked that due to the idea of real civil war can flame once our leaders decide they just were and still hesitated.

But the attitude of Mr, Butin changed that a little bit otherwise even the call of Sayed Ali Alsistani to use extreme force against corruption went in vain!.
 

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