Iraq's war against IS terrorism | Updates and Discussions

[-SINAN-]

how do you miss that shot? less than 10 meters I would guess.

I think, the real question should be how ISIS allowed to come near as 10 meters...where are the Iraqi soldiers..why they are not fighting.

 

[IR-TR]

I think, the real question should be how ISIS allowed to come near as 10 meters...where are the Iraqi soldiers..why they are not fighting.

Even the US army would be useless when attacked by 30 TRUCK bombs. So don't just go finger pointing.

 

[-SINAN-]

Even the US army would be useless when attacked by 30 TRUCK bombs. So don't just go finger pointing.

What the hell bro....so Truck bombs are the ultimate weapons of war ??? US army wouldn't let those trucks to come nearby at the first place.

 

[IR-TR]

What the hell bro....so Truck bombs are the ultimate weapons of war ??? US army wouldn't let those trucks to come nearby at the first place.

Come on huh. There is a lot of bs talk in the world right now about the performance of Iraqi soldiers. Sure, they're not up to NATO standards. But let's get one things straight, the US never faced anything like this. And sure, they have dozens of Apaches and hundreds of jets and drones hovering around, but that's a luxury the Iraqis don't have. This is far more brutal than anything in 2003-2011, assault wise.

 

[-SINAN-]

Come on huh. There is a lot of bs talk in the world right now about the performance of Iraqi soldiers. Sure, they're not up to NATO standards. But let's get one things straight, the US never faced anything like this. And sure, they have dozens of Apaches and hundreds of jets and drones hovering around, but that's a luxury the Iraqis don't have. This is far more brutal than anything in 2003-2011, assault wise.

You don't need Apaches, Jets or drones to deal with incoming suicide trucks....a well placed anti-tank rocket or a tank will do the job.

 

[IR-TR]

You don't need Apaches, Jets or drones to deal with incoming suicide trucks....a well placed anti-tank rocket or a tank will do the job.

Sure, but that only works when you have a large line of sight (unlimited views), like you saw in those Kurdistan videos against Daesh trucks. In the center of Ramadi though? With narrow and small streets? Let's say your checkpoint is at a crossroads, and a suicide truck drives around the corner 200 meters away. Even if you hit it, you might die if there is 5000 kg of explosives in it. It's really very difficult to do something about it..

 

[-SINAN-]

Sure, but that only works when you have a large line of sight (unlimited views), like you saw in those Kurdistan videos against Daesh trucks. In the center of Ramadi though? With narrow and small streets? Let's say your checkpoint is at a crossroads, and a suicide truck drives around the corner 200 meters away. Even if you hit it, you might die if there is 5000 kg of explosives in it. It's really very difficult to do something about it..

If you let the ISIS came into center of the city that you are defending...."geçmiş olsun"....

 

[IR-TR]

If you let the ISIS came into center of the city that you are defending...."geçmiş olsun"....

Yes exactly. I recommend that every city that is NOT in ISIS control to be fortified. Large ditches/trenches around the city, so that suicide car/truckbombs can't blow up the defences. ATGM towers 360 degrees around. And probably a couple hundred yards of buffer zone (destroy all trees and small buildings). Like it used to be a thousand years ago. There is no other option against these suicide trucks.

 

[-SINAN-]

Yes exactly. I recommend that every city that is NOT in ISIS control to be fortified. Large ditches/trenches around the city, so that suicide car/truckbombs can't blow up the defences. ATGM towers 360 degrees around. And probably a couple hundred yards of buffer zone (destroy all trees and small buildings). Like it used to be a thousand years ago. There is no other option against these suicide trucks.

Mate, you know we fought against PKK terrorist for 30 years.... maybe you know Osman Pamukoğlu, the legendary commander who decimated ranks of PKK in two years and send the organization to stalemate.

He says, if you are waiting in your base to get attacked, you like a glass bowl....some thing is bound to hit you and get it cracked... he always stayed in the offensive, hit all the bases of PKK which they thought it was invincible....I think, Iraqi army has to be on the offensive, there no other way around.

 

[IR-TR]

Mate, you know we fought against PKK terrorist for 30 years.... maybe you know Osman Pamukoğlu, the legendary commander who decimated ranks of PKK in two years and send the organization to stalemate.

He says, if you are waiting in your base to get attacked, you like a glass bowl....some thing is bound to hit you and get it cracked... he always stayed in the offensive, hit all the bases of PKK which they thought it was invincible....I think, Iraqi army has to be on the offensive, there no other way around.

What you say is very true of course. But hey, let's not compare the TSK with the 'Iraqi army'. Turks are natural born warriors anyway, but that's not the point. Iraq's army was disbanded in 2003 and never became a real army again. It relies on non-trained militias, who are basically just civilians holding guns and firing at a certain direction. They don't have proper leadership qualities, tactics or strategy. Iranian advisers help, but in the end it's just that, help. Iraq also needs more manpower. What you describe is true of course, it's like the Syrians: sitting ducks in those 'bases'. You need to be constantly on the offensive, and never give them breathing room. But that's still a far way off from happening. So at the minimum, defenses need to be strenghtened. Ditches/trenches, and ATGMs on the outlook permanently.

 

[Oldman1]

Come on huh. There is a lot of bs talk in the world right now about the performance of Iraqi soldiers. Sure, they're not up to NATO standards. But let's get one things straight, the US never faced anything like this. And sure, they have dozens of Apaches and hundreds of jets and drones hovering around, but that's a luxury the Iraqis don't have. This is far more brutal than anything in 2003-2011, assault wise.

The U.S. military never faced anything like this? Where have you been? They've face something like this many times in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is nothing new.

 

[IR-TR]

The U.S. military never faced anything like this? Where have you been? They've face something like this many times in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is nothing new.

Not on this level, and not in a coordinated fashion. This is the first time suicide truck bombs are being used as 'the cavalry/air force' to soften targets in order to take over a base. Sure, the US faced some suicide bombs, but that was more a one time thing, meaning just to kill a few soldiers, now as a prelude to a larger attack.

And btw, what happened in Beirut in 1983? 300 US and French soldiers killed in a single suicide truck bomb. So why did they allow that to happen? I'm just saying, this is a very very dangerous and smart way of whacking the enemy.

 

[Oldman1]

Not on this level, and not in a coordinated fashion. This is the first time suicide truck bombs are being used as 'the cavalry/air force' to soften targets in order to take over a base. Sure, the US faced some suicide bombs, but that was more a one time thing, meaning just to kill a few soldiers, now as a prelude to a larger attack.

And btw, what happened in Beirut in 1983? 300 US and French soldiers killed in a single suicide truck bomb. So why did they allow that to happen? I'm just saying, this is a very very dangerous and smart way of whacking the enemy.

Complacency. Just like terrorist attacks on U.S. Embassies in Africe back in 98. Or on the USS Cole. But the U.S. military has beefed up defenses and countermeasures against such attacks. And the Iraqi insurgents during the Iraq War has used multiple VBIEDs in one attack multiple times. Sometimes they use one to destroy the barrier or wall and use another into the facility. Or allow men with explosive vests inside.

 

[IR-TR]

Complacency. Just like terrorist attacks on U.S. Embassies in Africe back in 98. Or on the USS Cole. But the U.S. military has beefed up defenses and countermeasures against such attacks. And the Iraqi insurgents during the Iraq War has used multiple VBIEDs in one attack multiple times. Sometimes they use one to destroy the barrier or wall and use another into the facility. Or allow men with explosive vests inside.

Indeed, those SCUMBAGS even use armored bulldozers to take down the blast walls/Bremer walls, and then either explode or allow the truck bombs in. Jesus, an armored EXPLOSIVE bulldozer, you have to hand it to them.

 

[Oldman1]

Indeed, those SCUMBAGS even use armored bulldozers to take down the blast walls/Bremer walls, and then either explode or allow the truck bombs in. Jesus, an armored EXPLOSIVE bulldozer, you have to hand it to them.

What makes it worse for the Iraqi military is because they abandoned much of their equipment, the ISIS is able to sneak many VBIEDs in successfully. Especially Humvees and MRAPs. To them, it would look like a convoy.