Iraqi Air Defence Commander visits PAF Academy Risalpur, PAC Kamra

[salman77]

ISLAMABAD, Feb 6 (APP): A nine-member delegation headed by Lt Gen Jabbar Ubaid Kadhum, Commander Iraqi Air Defence visited Pakistan Air Force Academy, Risalpur on Thursday, where it was received by Air Vice Marshal Rashid Kamal, Air Officer Commanding PAF Academy Risalpur. The delegation attended a comprehensive briefing about the Academy’s organization structure and training.
The distinguished guests visited College of Flying Training and College of Aeronautical Engineering where they saw the training facilities, Laboratories of Aero-Space and Avionics. The delegation also visited Flying Instructors School and Flying Training Wing.
Later on, the delegation also visited Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra,. On their arrival, it was received by Air Marshal Sohail Gul Khan, Chairman Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Board, Kamra.
The delegation was briefed about organization and functions of PAC Kamra. The delegation visited Avionics Production Factory and Aircraft Manufacturing Factory where they took keen interest in the Final Assembly Line and Flight Testing facilities of JF-17 Thunder and Super Mushshak aircraft.

Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency ) - Iraqi Air Defence Commander visits PAF Academy Risalpur, PAC Kamra

 

[Introvert]

I'm very happy to see countries taking interest in JF17.

 

[AUz]

PAF should ask him about the air war campaign of U.S on Iraq in last campaigns...

Would be a good thing to learn..

 

[That Guy]

PAF should ask him about the air war campaign of U.S on Iraq in last campaigns...

Would be a good thing to learn..

What air war? It was completely one sided, a slaughter.

 

[AUz]

What air war? It was completely one sided, a slaughter.

I know. And thats exactly the point.

To know what Americans did..where they attacked first and foremost..."how" did they do it. Believe me, there's alot of learn from every air campaign...

For example, Israelis slaughtered Arabs too..but still, there's alot to learn from Arab-Israeli war

 

[That Guy]

I know. And thats exactly the point.

To know what Americans did..where they attacked first and foremost..."how" did they do it. Believe me, there's alot of learn from every air campaign...

For example, Israelis slaughtered Arabs too..but still, there's alot to learn from Arab-Israeli war

I don't think the current Iraqi army would divulge that info. The Iraqi leadership may be somewhat anti-US, but the IQAF is still firmly pro-US.

 

[jaibi]

The PAF needs to study the US air campaign well (to learn, not necessarily adopt), I think, as in the role of Close Air Support has been enhanced in the current scenario of war that we're facing and the US has fought the only war closely resembling our environment (against TTP).

@Pakistanisage @Panther 57 can perhaps be better critics.

 

[Panther 57]

The PAF needs to study the US air campaign well (to learn, not necessarily adopt), I think, as in the role of Close Air Support has been enhanced in the current scenario of war that we're facing and the US has fought the only war closely resembling our environment (against TTP).

@Pakistanisage @Panther 57 can perhaps be better critics.

All air force doctrines are developed after study of different air campaigns. US air campaigns should be studied to evaluate its is applicability and effectiveness. However, USAF models cannot be adopted in letter-in-spirit; because US is a country which has not fought any war on its own land. All the USAF battles have been far flung from their own land, thus they have no fear of actual destruction of their own civil properties and installations. Even if they are losing the war, which is true in most of the cases, they do not have a threat to direct take over. In order to avoid casualties they have resorted to methodology of BVR in terms of interception, interdiction and strikes. For example the concept of high altitude carpet bombing,

As far as their operations in Afghanistan is concerned, it is again not comparable to Pakistan as it mainly comprised of gunship helicopter operations. Mainly hunting spree. You are very right in saying that US model will not be applicable on countries like Pakistan.

Your point of CAS and interdiction is very valid. In today's environment countries like Pakistan have to concentrate on this area, because defeat of enemy will highly depend on that. CAS will stop forward movement of enemy troops with reasonable protection to our won and interdiction will cutoff the supply line, forcing the advancing troops to either slow down or retreat.

This is my opinion, people may differ based on their concept of advance ware fare.

 

[nomi007]

i hope like saudis iraqis will also take interest in jf-17

 

[Panther 57]

i hope like saudis iraqis will also take interest in jf-17

One of the ways to free from the shackles of west.

 

[Chak Bamu]

One must give thought to the possibility / likelihood of other countries showing interest in JF-17 only to improve their bargaining positions with USA, Russia, etc...

I am as patriotic as the next guy, but I am not sure if all interest being expressed is genuine.

 

[salman77]

Iraqi Air Force, Air Defence Commanders call on Ranver Tanveer

ISLAMABAD: Commander Iraqi Air Force, General Anwer Hammad Amen Ahmed and Commander Iraqi Air Defence General Jabbar Ubaid Kedhum Friday called on Federal Minister for Defence Production, Rana Tanveer Hussain here in his National Assembly Chamber.
The meeting was also attended by Secretary Defence Production Lt Gen (Retd) Tanvir Tahir, Chairman PAC Kamra AVM Sohail Gul Khan and other senior officials from both sides.

The Iraqi defence delegation is on a visit to Pakistan to explore areas of defence cooperation.

The delegation showed keen interest in the air defence systems and also in the aircraft built in Pakistan.

The delegation on the occasion said that the air surveillance systems in Pakistan are state of the art and low cost. Pakistan also offered trainer jets and training for Iraqi pilots.

The Iraqi commander said that Iraq had all the more systems and infrastructure but after the destruction and downturn they now have to rebuild for which they need help of the international community and their friends in the Muslim World.

Iraq would like to build air defence and obtain aircraft for which we have to undertake training projects and trainer aircraft, he added.

On the occasion, Rana Tanveer Hussain said that from intermediary to jet aircraft, Pakistan defence industry had all the capacity and we would love to extend cooperation to our brothers.

The meeting proved very fruitful as Pakistan will also be signing contracts in future to materials all deals related to training and communications as discussed in the meeting.

Evaluation for restructuring of Iraqi Air Defence and Air Force surveys will be carried out in near future too.

Commander Iraqi Air Defence General Jabbar Ubaid Kedhum said that Pakistan's help and support is needed to restructure and reorganize the forces.

He added that Pakistan has been very hospitable and helpful.

The Minister said, We share a bond of common values, culture and religion with the Iraqi brethren and we will work towards making enhancing our ties further."

 

[Nishan_101]

ISLAMABAD, Feb 6 (APP): A nine-member delegation headed by Lt Gen Jabbar Ubaid Kadhum, Commander Iraqi Air Defence visited Pakistan Air Force Academy, Risalpur on Thursday, where it was received by Air Vice Marshal Rashid Kamal, Air Officer Commanding PAF Academy Risalpur. The delegation attended a comprehensive briefing about the Academy’s organization structure and training.
The distinguished guests visited College of Flying Training and College of Aeronautical Engineering where they saw the training facilities, Laboratories of Aero-Space and Avionics. The delegation also visited Flying Instructors School and Flying Training Wing.
Later on, the delegation also visited Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra,. On their arrival, it was received by Air Marshal Sohail Gul Khan, Chairman Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Board, Kamra.
The delegation was briefed about organization and functions of PAC Kamra. The delegation visited Avionics Production Factory and Aircraft Manufacturing Factory where they took keen interest in the Final Assembly Line and Flight Testing facilities of JF-17 Thunder and Super Mushshak aircraft.

Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency ) - Iraqi Air Defence Commander visits PAF Academy Risalpur, PAC Kamra

Pakistan can easily help Iraq to build their own Iraqi Aeronautical Complex there like or better than PAC.

 

[Panther 57]

Pakistan can easily help Iraq to build their own Iraqi Aeronautical Complex there like or better than PAC.

Building an aeronautical complex is a long journey which PAF has covered this path in more than half decade, which transformed AMF to PAC. Iraq first needs to stabilise itself economically. Venturing into something that massive at the early stages of reconstruction will be suicidal.

 

[graphican]

Let there be some news worth celebrations now. These interests secret agreements (if there are any) are not satisfying.