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Iran's Ballistic Missile test :Implications

Do you think having nukes will automatically keep your country safe from all outside interference? How come Pakistan with nukes doesn't do anything when US drones attack its people? That's what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket.

Despite countless air raids on Pakistan's border region by the Soviet Union in 1980s, 17 Scud B ballistic missile attacks by Afghanistan in 1989-1990 and 418 US drone strikes by the US between June 2004-September 2015, Pakistan is still alive and has managed to safeguard its nuclear and ballistic missile arsenal. No UN sanctions, no extraordinary IAEA inspections and nobody dares threatens Pakistan with invasion.

Can't be said the same for Iraq, Libya, Syria and Iran who could not even handle sanctions.
 
Despite countless air raids on Pakistan's border region by the Soviet Union in 1980s, 17 Scud B ballistic missile attacks by Afghanistan in 1989-1990 and 418 US drone strikes by the US between June 2004-September 2015, Pakistan is still alive and has managed to safeguard its nuclear and ballistic missile arsenal. No UN sanctions, no extraordinary IAEA inspections and nobody dares threatens Pakistan with invasion.

Can't be said the same for Iraq, Libya, Syria and Iran who could not even handle sanctions.

No one has invaded Saudi Arabia either. Why do you think?
 
Despite countless air raids on Pakistan's border region by the Soviet Union in 1980s, 17 Scud B ballistic missile attacks by Afghanistan in 1989-1990 and 418 US drone strikes by the US between June 2004-September 2015, Pakistan is still alive and has managed to safeguard its nuclear and ballistic missile arsenal. No UN sanctions, no extraordinary IAEA inspections and nobody dares threatens Pakistan with invasion.

Can't be said the same for Iraq, Libya, Syria and Iran who could not even handle sanctions.
Is getting bombed by US drones a sign of bravery now?do you feel safe despite daily terrorism attacks?

From day one, Iran anounced that it was never after bomb and this claim was proved by IAEA just few weeks ago.in the nuclear deal we managed to save our peacefull nuclear program and the right of enrichment and all sanctions will be lifted too.

So at the end Iran is a recognized nuclear threshold state with complete security and a booming aconomy meanwhile Pakistan owns nuke but its national territory is being violated by foreign countries and it suffers from lack of stability due to daily terrorist attacks.

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All nuclear issues with Lybia, Syria and Iraq resulted in military enforcement and sanctions never got lifted by negoations.Iran is the first country that could solve the issue via diplomacy and we are very proud of it.
 
Why doesn't Iran develop nukes secretly?

That's what we did after America threatened to nuke us during the 1950 Korean War, out of desperation as they were forced to retreat.

But regular nukes (fission bombs) are not enough. To have true deterrence against the USA, you need Thermonuclear weapons and ICBMs.

India and Pakistan deliberately avoided making Thermonuclear weapons and ICBMs, which is why America was able to send carriers against India in the 1970's and drones against Pakistan in the 2010's. Because even if push came to shove, they wouldn't be able to retaliate against the American mainland in any scenario.

Whereas America is terrified of Russia because Russia could easily wipe America from the Earth if they were forced to do so.
 
Why doesn't Iran develop nukes secretly?

That's what we did after America threatened to nuke us during the 1950 Korean War, out of desperation as they were forced to retreat.

But regular nukes (fission bombs) are not enough. To have true deterrence against the USA, you need Thermonuclear weapons and ICBMs.

India and Pakistan deliberately avoided making Thermonuclear weapons and ICBMs, which is why America was able to send carriers against India in the 1970's and drones against Pakistan in the 2010's. Because even if push came to shove, they wouldn't be able to retaliate against the American mainland in any scenario.

Whereas America is terrified of Russia because Russia could easily wipe America from the Earth if they were forced to do so.
That might be because of new technologies in field of radiation sensors.I am aware there are some counter techniques too but they are expensive and need a huge space.also there might be counter-counter techniques as well.they have SAR satellites that can probably detect Plumbum materials used in hiding radiation.making a bomb meanwhile being zoomed on by spy agencies is a bit harder than before.
 
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Is getting bombed by US drones a sign of bravery now?do you feel safe despite daily terrorism attacks?

From day one, Iran anounced that it was never after bomb and this claim was proved by IAEA just few weeks ago.in the nuclear deal we managed to save our peacefull nuclear program and the right of enrichment and all sanctions will be lifted too.

So at the end Iran is a recognized nuclear threshold state with complete security and a booming aconomy meanwhile Pakistan owns nuke but its national territory is being violated by foreign countries and it suffers from lack of stability due to daily terrorist attacks.

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All nuclear issues with Lybia, Syria and Iraq resulted in military enforcement and sanctions never got lifted by negoations.Iran is the first country that could solve the issue via diplomacy and we are very proud of it.

Iran got punched to death by Iraq, air strikes on its oil facilities by the US, Stuxnet attack on its nuclear facilities, under severe international sanctions which it can't even handle and has had to surrender its entire nuclear program to the IAEA and the world.

What booming economy has Iran got that its having to negotiate with tiny Europeans nations to lift sanctions in return for x-ray inspections of its nuclear program?

At the same time, is there anyone in the world mad enough to call for international sanctions on Pakistan today, attempt nuclear disarmament of Pakistan or impose an eight-year ballistic missile ban on Pakistan?

Pakistan even went ahead and conducted its first atomic tests on May 28, 1998 while under US sanctions and also while the country was facing bankruptcy. Can the Iranians achieve the same? Doesn't look like it at moment.

Pakistan went against the odds, the wars and sanctions and today has got the atomic weaponry and means to use them. What has Iran got after decades of wars and sanctions? Oh yeah, the mythical "threshold status" and the "breakout capacity". (As if anyone is going to allow Iran to breakout).

Important note for the Iranians:
A): Soviet Union dared carried out countless air raids on Pakistan's border regions in the 1980s in an act of war and the Soviet Union met its own destruction.

B): Afghanistan launched 17 Scud B ballistic missile attacks on Pakistan in 1989-1990 in an act of war and Afghanistan has been destroyed beyond repair.
 
Iran got punched to death by Iraq, air strikes on its oil facilities by the US, Stuxnet attack on its nuclear facilities, under severe international sanctions which it can't even handle and has had to surrender its entire nuclear program to the IAEA and the world.

What booming economy has Iran got that its having to negotiate with tiny Europeans nations to lift sanctions in return for x-ray inspections of its nuclear program?

At the same time, is there anyone in the world mad enough to call for international sanctions on Pakistan today, attempt nuclear disarmament of Pakistan or impose an eight-year ballistic missile ban on Pakistan?

Pakistan even went ahead and conducted its first atomic tests on May 28, 1998 while under US sanctions and also while the country was facing bankruptcy. Can the Iranians achieve the same? Doesn't look like it at moment.

Pakistan went against the odds, the wars and sanctions and today has got the atomic weaponry and means to use them. What has Iran got after decades of wars and sanctions? Oh yeah, the mythical "threshold status" and the "breakout capacity". (As if anyone is going to allow Iran to breakout).

Important note for the Iranians:
A): Soviet Union dared carried out countless air raids on Pakistan's border regions in the 1980s in an act of war and the Soviet Union met its own destruction.

B): Afghanistan launched 17 Scud B ballistic missile attacks on Pakistan in 1989-1990 in an act of war and Afghanistan has been destroyed beyond repair.



I think you are counting too much of your capacity...The reason no one went behind Pakistan is because, Pakistan is still an ally of the West..Pakistan develops all of its weapon against India not against the West...where as Iran does everything and publicly speaks against the West and Israel...The moment Pakistan takes direct confrontation with West or US, you may not even survive the time how Iran survived...So let us give respect to Iran which they deserve...We might have differences with Iran on its foreign policy, but one thing for sure, after China, if any one successfully faced the sactions of the world, it is Iran....So comparing any one including India or Pakistan with Iran with respect to facing the sanction is just a self praise only...
 
I think you are counting too much of your capacity...The reason no one went behind Pakistan is because, Pakistan is still an ally of the West..Pakistan develops all of its weapon against India not against the West...where as Iran does everything and publicly speaks against the West and Israel...The moment Pakistan takes direct confrontation with West or US, you may not even survive the time how Iran survived...So let us give respect to Iran which they deserve...We might have differences with Iran on its foreign policy, but one thing for sure, after China, if any one successfully faced the sactions of the world, it is Iran....So comparing any one including India or Pakistan with Iran with respect to facing the sanction is just a self praise only...

Nonsense. When has Iran ever confronted the West militarily? Oh yes, once in the late 1980s and the US bombed its territory and took over some of its oil facilities which resulted in a speedy end by the Iranians to the Iran-Iraq War.

All the Iranians ever do is shout and scream as loud as they can against the West and arm other Muslim nations and groups to fight their wars.
 
US empire negotiates in bad faith and then moves goalpost: Analyst

Iran should be wary of setting agreements with the US empire because it negotiates in bad faith and then moves the goalpost, American writer and analyst Daniel Patrick Welch says.

On Wednesday, reports had surfaced that the US Treasury Department would impose sanctions against individuals in Iran, Hong Kong, and the United Arab Emirates following Iran’s missile testing in October and November.

In response, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani issued an order calling on the country’s Defense Ministry to expedite efforts for boosting the country’s missile program.

On Thursday, the Wall Street Journalreported that the White House has delayed its plan to impose the new sanctions, amid growing tensions with Iran over the July 14, 2015, nuclear agreement, officially known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA).

Under the agreement, Iran has been recognized by the United Nations as a nuclear power and will continue its uranium enrichment program, but some restrictions will be placed on Iran’s nuclear program in exchange for the removal of sanctions.

Commenting to Press TV, Welch said that the possible US sanctions against Iran is “a pushback against Russia for intervening in Syria. I think it’s another rap on the knuckles for getting close to Russia and China.”

“I think it’s just more proof that you can’t trust the US and its Western vassal states in negotiations. They are not sincere in their dialogue and they don’t want what they say they want. They want to punish Iran. It has nothing to do with nuclear weapons or anything else,” he added.

“This is absolutely standard for what Empire does is they negotiate in bad faith, and then move the goalpost,” he stated.

“I think the Iranian government should be very wary of setting agreements [with the West]. What they need to do is to develop more bilateral trade and negotiations in concert with the BRICS and with Russia and China and the rest of the Global South so that these kinds of sanctions will be toothless as they have been largely with the West against Russia, and then they will be able to free themselves from this kind of bullying and blackmailing,” the analyst noted.

PressTV-‘US empire negotiates in bad faith’

 
@Irfan Baloch bai, the timing of this is very important. It is better to make it clear now. If we closed our mouth and did nothing, and did all our parts of the deal, opened our markets to the west, and then a year later, tested a missle, what then? They would do the same thing but much more harsher and it would come as a bigger economical shock to us.

Notice that USA itself isn't reacting very harshly to these tests. Did you all yourself why not? Because, I would assume, they want to first wait for us to finish our part of the nuclear deal, get us a bit swamped in the new environment, and then bring the hammer down.

Which means, for USA, they want us to wait, have sanctions removed a bit, then whenever we do ANY defensive test, claim its provocation, and then trying economic sanctions again.

I am one of those Iranians in this forum who doesn't care much about the deal that much. USA has never fairly dealt with any country. Look at the countries the posters of this forum belong too. Which of our countries have been treated in equal terms with USA?

The closest example is China, because they have no compromise with USA up to the 70s until the Americans themselves had to come in terms with them.

Iran shouldn't fall in a trap with USA and the world, which unfortunately, we are. If now we test our missles for defensive purposes, this makes us the bad guys in the eyes of people like you. This was the trap, and look how we are struck, if we don't work on our defense, we become weak, if we work on it, we become evil? What then?

Or maybe the USA just wants an assertive Iran. It's not about "fair" or about your defense capabilities - if they would want you gone, you would be gone - it's just that Iran is seen as potential ally for the future, with SA and the ME going insane and all.... Up to you how you choose your route on this one.

Btw, China is where it is precisely because of the USA
 
Iran got punched to death by Iraq, air strikes on its oil facilities by the US, Stuxnet attack on its nuclear facilities, under severe international sanctions which it can't even handle and has had to surrender its entire nuclear program to the IAEA and the world.

What booming economy has Iran got that its having to negotiate with tiny Europeans nations to lift sanctions in return for x-ray inspections of its nuclear program?

At the same time, is there anyone in the world mad enough to call for international sanctions on Pakistan today, attempt nuclear disarmament of Pakistan or impose an eight-year ballistic missile ban on Pakistan?

Pakistan even went ahead and conducted its first atomic tests on May 28, 1998 while under US sanctions and also while the country was facing bankruptcy. Can the Iranians achieve the same? Doesn't look like it at moment.

Pakistan went against the odds, the wars and sanctions and today has got the atomic weaponry and means to use them. What has Iran got after decades of wars and sanctions? Oh yeah, the mythical "threshold status" and the "breakout capacity". (As if anyone is going to allow Iran to breakout).

Important note for the Iranians:
A): Soviet Union dared carried out countless air raids on Pakistan's border regions in the 1980s in an act of war and the Soviet Union met its own destruction.

B): Afghanistan launched 17 Scud B ballistic missile attacks on Pakistan in 1989-1990 in an act of war and Afghanistan has been destroyed beyond repair.
Wow so Soviet collapsed because it bombed the mighty Pakistan.pardon me by this stupid question but why are you being do stupid?

cowardly you are diverting the subject and that aint nice.in 1980 Iran was attacked by the Iraqi army that had support from west, soviet and Arab world and despite of Saddam's promise of invading Tehran in a week, we managed to defend our land and hundreds of thousand of soldiers sacrificed their dear lives for the betterment of their country despite they had no significant foreign help.We didnt loose a single inch of our land to Iraq.you loosed half of your country to Indians .thats what we were talking about, THIS IS BRAVERY.its not like allowing a country to violate your airspace and killing your civilians.

I repeat this once again, WE WERE NOT AFTER BOMB. this claim is approved by IAEA too.also we didnt surrender
our nuclear program.we have enrichment capabilty and sevaral nuclear plants are under construction as we speak.we have reached our objective completely.

Next week all Iran sanctions will be lifted so you will see what a booming economy will looks like.we were superior to Pakistan economic wise even under sanctions anyway.

So let me repeat once more.Iran is a threshold nuclear state with full security and a booming economy.Pakistan has nukes but sucks in economy and those nukes aint protecting you from daily terrorist attacks and border violation from other countries.

So we are here to stay, proud and victorious, you hate us so much? Want to take revenge? Go blow up yourself in a Shia crowd like the rest of your friends do.thats all you can.
 
Why don't you Indians stop your missile or even stop using your jet fighters ???
please dont get him wrong. we Indians just want sanction free Iran so that we can have better relationship and co-operation in different fields.
 
Wow so Soviet collapsed because it bombed the mighty Pakistan.pardon me by this stupid question but why are you being do stupid?

Yes.. if there was no ISI soviet union would still be ruling Afghanistan along with Pakistan.

.We didnt loose a single inch of our land to Iraq.you loosed half of your country to Indians .

do u know how much Indian outnumbered us in Bangladesh war? it was 15:1 according to Indian Army chief of that time... then there was 3 hundred thousand mukti fighters who fought against a small force of 45000 there... India is 7 times larger then us and u are comparing it with ur war with country 3 times smaller then u... Pathetic..

2nd stop saying that Iraqis got help of this and that... they got bcoz they have normal relation with world u didnt have... so it was ur fault not Iraq's... Moreover if u sustain every inch of ur land that does mean that u were too getting weapons from somewhere... as nobody in this world have weapons storage of 8 years...

daily terrorist attacks


daily? its more like Monthly... check recent news..

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