Iran's Ballistic Missile test :Implications

[500]

Why don't you Indians stop your missile or even stop using your jet fighters ???

Problem not in jets, but in indiscriminate bombings of civilian areas made by Assadists.

Btw you Zionists have murdered 2 millions Palestinians, Lebanese and Syrians since 1948

Again silly number (thought last time it was 5 million Palestinians alone ).

1987-1993 First Intifada - 1162 killed
2000-2005 Second Intifada - 3000 killed
2006-2015 Israel Gaza conflict - 5000 killed

Thus hardly 10 K killed total.

There are also some 50 K killed in Arab-Israeli wars (10 K in 1948, 15 K in 1967, 10 K in 1973), but these are virtually all soldiers in uniform. So stop offtopic.

 

[KN-1]

First of all, if Iran is attacked then its nuclear and missiles will go in the initial strikes. There goes your breakout capacity.

The breakout capacity theory only works if Iran is not attacked.

Secondly, Iran's conventional weapons is obsolete.

Thirdly, if Iran's economy had the ability to withstand external and internal pressures, you government wouldn't be negotiating away its nuclear rights.

Not sure what you've been brainwashed with, but it all sounds like fairytale.

What Iran need is time and no inspections.

What Iranian believe is, they have very large land mass and establishing writ on it is not possible for any invader... they can fight an asymmetrical war with NATO or Israel if they attack them... hence they are hiding weapons in huge quantity under tunnels.. correct me if i am wrong

 

[Barmin]

Problem not in jets, but in indiscriminate bombings of civilian areas made by Assadists.

I don't understand what does this have to do with my reply to that Indian user! you seem like a sick distressed parrot!

Btw :

Israeli Military Admits to Supporting Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria

Picture proof of israel supporting ii al qaeda linked nusra front terrorists in syria | EsBuzz.net

https://mkaradjis.wordpress.com/201...nusra-fairy-tale-and-its-deadly-consequences/

Israel’s Dangerous Game with Syrian Al Nusra Islamists | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

Video shows Israeli commandos save Islamic militants from the Syrian warzone | Daily Mail Online

Israel 'Openly' Helping Syrian Rebels Trying to Overthrow Assad / Sputnik International

Real War News, Israeli Commando’s Fight Alongside ISIS in Syria | Veterans Today

Israel said to treat wounded members of IS and radical Syrian groups | i24news - See beyond

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Problem not in jets, but in indiscriminate bombings of civilian areas made by Assadists.


Again silly number (thought last time it was 5 million Palestinians alone ).

1987-1993 First Intifada - 1162 killed
2000-2005 Second Intifada - 3000 killed
2006-2015 Israel Gaza conflict - 5000 killed

Thus hardly 10 K killed total.

There are also some 50 K killed in Arab-Israeli wars (10 K in 1948, 15 K in 1967, 10 K in 1973), but these are virtually all soldiers in uniform. So stop offtopic.

5,100,000 Palestinians have been killed since 1948.

Also 7 million Palestinians have been displaced!

“Intent to destroy in whole or in part" - sustained (and frequently asserted) intent over about 150 years of the Zionist colonial project; 0.75 million Palestinian refugees in 1948; currently 7 million Palestinian refugees, and 4.2 million Palestinian refugees registered with the UN in the Middle East; over 40 years of illegal Israeli Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza; 0.1 million 1948-2011 violent Palestinian deaths, post-1967 excess deaths 0.3 million; post-1967 under-5 infant deaths 0.2 million; 3,600 under-5 year old Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT) infants die avoidably EACH YEAR in the OPT "Prison" due to Apartheid Israeli war crimes.

a) Killing - about 5100,000 Palestinians killed since 1948; post-1967 excess deaths 0.3 million; post-1967 under-5 infant deaths 0.2 million; 3,600 under-5 year old Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT) infants die avoidably EACH YEAR in the OPT "Prison" due to Israeli ignoring of the Geneva Convention; 254 OPT Palestinians killed by the Israeli military in the LAST 2 MONTHS OF 2008 ALONE, 301 killed thus last year (latest UNRWA data; see above).

Palestinian Genocide

 

[HAIDER]

Note:
please note following are my personal notes and opinions and without any favour or malice to any party that loves or hates Iran.


U.S., allies demand UN action after Iran missile test| Reuters

So Saudis and Israelis will secretly (or not so Secretly) celebrating with the air of "told you so" to the Americans. the Iran did exactly which it shouldnt have done (to my understanding) when the world specially west is finding excuses to bring Iran back to the business world and open up trade with it.

but it seems that the hawks in Iran were getting bored and restless and they HAD to do something provocative to spoil all the hard efforts of Iranian government in the successful nuclear deal and potential of Iran opening up to the west.

no matter what articulate counter narrative you build up. this test is nothing but a spanner in the entire effort of normalisation of relations of Iran with the world for its own sake. it not only reduced the imminient Sauid/ Israeli sponsored raid on Iran but also a possible outbreak of war and further chaos in middle east. many other countries that celebrated over the successful negotiaitons (like Pakistan and India) due to eventual ease of trade with Iran find themselves in the quagmire. India was eyeing a port in Iran as well.

I mean no disrespect to Iranian nation and its history but when I read and saw the news of this nuclear capable Missile test ... the first word that came to my mind was "YOU IDIOTS"!! (meant for blowhard gnostic Iranian clergy ).


I am sorry, but I am really disappointed at this development and it only further strengthens the case of Israel and Saudis against Iran.

NOW NOW.. hold on.. I know you will be able to bear it as you did suffer even worse case situations but why invite trouble to yourself?

Didn't know missile test also part of deal.....In last trench of talk, France brought this matter, but never been part of deal..if not wrong....

Pakistan is a western ally, so they are cool with Pakistani nukes. North Korea isn't, and look at their situation. Only because they don't put sanctions on you now doesn't mean you are super strong. They can literally starve Pakistan if they put sanctions against you like those on North Korea all while having nuclear weapons. What can you do about that in this situation? NK also has nukes, but they barely afford to feed their own people. What's the point?

I wonder where all these shallow 'analysis' come from. No one is being forced to do anything or surrender anything. The nuclear agreement is only about nuclear matters and we will have our peaceful nuclear program as we wanted. We won't surrender a single screw from military equipment. Just as you saw, Iran ordered to expand missile program in face of U.S threatening of more sanctions. If it means the deal will be collapsed, so be it. But in that case, things will be much different.

Let me assure you, there won't be any Libya or Iraq scenario. Our missile and military program is going on in full speed.



There is no pushing bro. If we go one step back from our defensive capabilities, they will come 10 steps closer and demand more for exactly the same reason you said: The world is not fair and is being ruled by laws of jungle. In this world, a country like Israel is given nukes by very same western countries that have been barking about non-existent Iranian nuclear weapons. Because of that reason, we shouldn't go a single step back when it comes to military matters and defensive capabilities.

Pakistan is nuclear power because west want to neutralize India. In any circumstance west will not accept any Indian hegemony in the region. Plus, West don't want to deal with daily Indian threats to Pakistan. Even though in 1998 India and Isreali made a joint strike plan from Kashmir base in Pakistani nuclear facility, but face stiff resistance on diplomatic front.

 

[Barmin]

Didn't know missile test also part of deal.....In last trench of talk, France brought this matter, but never been part of deal..if not wrong....

Only the missiles which have the capacity to carry nuclear warheads are banned, which Iran always has stressed doesn't look for nuclear weapons or such missiles. Regular missiles are not banned in the deal and they are part Iran's defence doctrine.

 

[500]

I don't understand what does this have to do with my reply to that Indian user! you seem like a sick distressed parrot!

Btw :

Israeli Military Admits to Supporting Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria

Picture proof of israel supporting ii al qaeda linked nusra front terrorists in syria | EsBuzz.net

https://mkaradjis.wordpress.com/201...nusra-fairy-tale-and-its-deadly-consequences/

Israel’s Dangerous Game with Syrian Al Nusra Islamists | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

Video shows Israeli commandos save Islamic militants from the Syrian warzone | Daily Mail Online

Israel 'Openly' Helping Syrian Rebels Trying to Overthrow Assad / Sputnik International

Real War News, Israeli Commando’s Fight Alongside ISIS in Syria | Veterans Today

Israel said to treat wounded members of IS and radical Syrian groups | i24news - See beyond

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The official number of killed Palestinians by israel since 1948 is 0.5 million! But I think the unofficial number is around 1.5 - 2 million.
Each of intifidas have only lasted for 2 - 3 months while the dead toll of Palestinians is a period between 1948 - 2014. Go and fool yourself!

Also 7 million Palestinians have been displaced!

“Intent to destroy in whole or in part" - sustained (and frequently asserted) intent over about 150 years of the Zionist colonial project; 0.75 million Palestinian refugees in 1948; currently 7 million Palestinian refugees, and 4.2 million Palestinian refugees registered with the UN in the Middle East; over 40 years of illegal Israeli Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza; 0.1 million 1948-2011 violent Palestinian deaths, post-1967 excess deaths 0.3 million; post-1967 under-5 infant deaths 0.2 million; 3,600 under-5 year old Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT) infants die avoidably EACH YEAR in the OPT "Prison" due to Apartheid Israeli war crimes.

a) Killing - about 5100,000 Palestinians killed since 1948; post-1967 excess deaths 0.3 million; post-1967 under-5 infant deaths 0.2 million; 3,600 under-5 year old Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT) infants die avoidably EACH YEAR in the OPT "Prison" due to Israeli ignoring of the Geneva Convention; 254 OPT Palestinians killed by the Israeli military in the LAST 2 MONTHS OF 2008 ALONE, 301 killed thus last year (latest UNRWA data; see above).

Palestinian Genocide

Spare us of ur silly numbers. I proved u are a shameless liar. The biggest murder or Palestinians is actually Assad.

1976 Tal Zaatar
1983 Tripoli
1985-1988 War on Camps

Now in Syria Palestinians are bombed and starved to death.

 

[Cyberian]

Is your argument that Iran would be attacked by nuclear weapons in first strike?

If so, I think there is a big gap between our thinking, so I don't think we see political environment in similar manner.

No, I said if Iran is attacked, destruction of it's nuclear and missile facilities will be the primary objectives. Therefore, if there's no nuclear and missile facilities left in the country, what good is this so called "breakout capacity"?

This "breakout capacity" term has only been used to convince (fool) the Iranian people that they are really strong and all powerful, so signing away the nuclear rights is no big deal.

 

[Cyberian]

What Iranian believe is, they have very large land mass and establishing writ on it is not possible for any invader... they can fight an asymmetrical war with NATO or Israel if they attack them... hence they are hiding weapons in huge quantity under tunnels.. correct me if i am wrong

Well, as the Iranians were daft enough to sign the NPT and also accept extraordinary inspections of its nuclear facilities by the IAEA, I don't believe Iran has the ability to weaponise its nuclear program. Had it been possible for Iran to build a nuke, the US would not be wasting it's time with the United Nations.

However, the US has used the United Nations to decimate Iran's economy, it's military has become obsolete and it has a complete blueprint of Iran nuclear program.

Look at Pakistan, India, North Korea and Israel and see how they managed to acquire nukes.

Both Pakistan and North Korea had the support of a big power, China.
India had the support of the big power, Soviet Union/Russia.
Israel had the support of the big power, United States.

Iran, on the other hand has been so arrogant (racist I would say) that it has been worse off than North Korea. All three major powers China, Russia and the United States approved and imposed UN sanctions on Iran and the Iranians gained nothing in return.

 

[Madali]

No, I said if Iran is attacked, destruction of it's nuclear and missile facilities will be the primary objectives. Therefore, if there's no nuclear and missile facilities left in the country, what good is this so called "breakout capacity"?

This "breakout capacity" term has only been used to convince (fool) the Iranian people that they are really strong and all powerful, so signing away the nuclear rights is no big deal.

During past wars of many countries, including Iran, weapons production continued even while the country was defending itself. It is not unlikely or unique.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

Well Iran could have just played it smart.
No one can deicate a soverign nation. But they could have ensured that international diaspora get a more positive view about it with the nuke deal and simultaneously develop its missiles silently. Or rather do false propaganda.
For example while developing our SLBM , we did the initial tests under the disguise of another test happening. It kept the media attention off.

But lastly, Iran has survived so far. It will for sure in future with or without sanctions.

And it should be crystal clear our bilateral relations with Iran are independent of our relations with any other nation or organisation. Iran is vital for our economic connection with central Asia so our relations will only grow from here.

 

[Desert Fox]

Problem not in jets, but in indiscriminate bombings of civilian areas made by Assadists.


Again silly number (thought last time it was 5 million Palestinians alone ).

1987-1993 First Intifada - 1162 killed
2000-2005 Second Intifada - 3000 killed
2006-2015 Israel Gaza conflict - 5000 killed

Thus hardly 10 K killed total.

There are also some 50 K killed in Arab-Israeli wars (10 K in 1948, 15 K in 1967, 10 K in 1973), but these are virtually all soldiers in uniform. So stop offtopic.

Nothing like the 6 million though

I never knew Russia also exterminated 6 million Jews in 1921:

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[Hack-Hook]

Where did i said for their use? I mean just for deterrence against any hostile attack..

How many cities Russia destroyed? They too have them for last 70 years. UK? France, China, Pakistan, India or Israel? How many cities they have destroyed?

did Saddam chemically weapons acted as any sort of deference ? Did it stopped Pakistan from going at war with India or did it stopped Hezbollah in 2006 ?

Only the missiles which have the capacity to carry nuclear warheads are banned, which Iran always has stressed doesn't look for nuclear weapons or such missiles. Regular missiles are not banned in the deal and they are part Iran's defence doctrine.

even nuclear missiles are not banned in the deal . they only asked us not to developed them in the 8 year time frame after the deal if we developed them or not is up to us .

No, I said if Iran is attacked, destruction of it's nuclear and missile facilities will be the primary objectives. Therefore, if there's no nuclear and missile facilities left in the country, what good is this so called "breakout capacity"?

This "breakout capacity" term has only been used to convince (fool) the Iranian people that they are really strong and all powerful, so signing away the nuclear rights is no big deal.

do you suggest west have the capabilities to destroy all underground tunnel networks because as I recall they could not destroy Iraq on the ground facilities till they occupied the country.

 

[KN-1]

did Saddam chemically weapons acted as any sort of deference ? Did it stopped Pakistan from going at war with India or did it stopped Hezbollah in 2006 ?.

Yes, our nukes helped us in avioding 2 wars with india, in early 2000's india was ready to attack Pakistan, but didnt dare to do so, in 2008 india again threaten Pakistan with surgical strikes but it again failed to do so. saddam's chemical weapons were toys and are not comparable to nuclear deterrence in any way. plz dont quote proxies like Hizbollah or taliban, Iran is a country not proxy. Russia and China are example for Iran not proxies like Hizb and Taliban.

 

[Cyberian]

did Saddam chemically weapons acted as any sort of deference ? Did it stopped Pakistan from going at war with India or did it stopped Hezbollah in 2006 ?

even nuclear missiles are not banned in the deal . they only asked us not to developed them in the 8 year time frame after the deal if we developed them or not is up to us .

do you suggest west have the capabilities to destroy all underground tunnel networks because as I recall they could not destroy Iraq on the ground facilities till they occupied the country.

They will make sure all nuclear and missile facilities are destroyed in the initial strikes. You're thinking on the lines, that the air campaign will be light, it will last month's or years on end and during that time period tens of thousands of Iranian scientists and engineers will be working day and night underground. Eventually, after a few months they'll come out and carry out an atomic test while rest of the world is sleeping. The world will then awaken from its slumber and accept Iran as a nuclear power.

Buddy, in an air campaign when a nation like Iran is attacked as the attacker(s) fear that this nation could be building a nuclear weapon, Iran will be flattened like Germany and Japan. There'll be no Iranian parliament, roads, bridges, power stations, air bases, army bases, naval bases, air defences, etc. left in the country.

Look at Iraq after a decade of sanctions, US military literally walked into Iraq in 2003 after carrying out a short air campaign. How? The sanctions had already decimated their economy and everything that Iraqi military had was obsolete. Or you can compare today's Iran with blitzkrieg against Iraq in 1991 and Serbia in 1999.

Iranians tend to quickly start dreaming about resisting the occupation. Who says that the US and others will bother with occupation? They would be interested in turning Iran into another Libya and Syria as the primary goal.

 

[Madali]

They will make sure all nuclear and missile facilities are destroyed in the initial strikes. You're thinking on the lines, that the air campaign will be light, it will last month's or years on end and during that time period tens of thousands of Iranian scientists and engineers will be working day and night underground. Eventually, after a few months they'll come out and carry out an atomic test while rest of the world is sleeping. The world will then awaken from its slumber and accept Iran as a nuclear power.

Buddy, in an air campaign when a nation like Iran is attacked as the attacker(s) fear that this nation could be building a nuclear weapon, Iran will be flattened like Germany and Japan. There'll be no Iranian parliament, roads, bridges, power stations, air bases, army bases, naval bases, air defences, etc. left in the country.

Look at Iraq after a decade of sanctions, US military literally walked into Iraq in 2003 after carrying out a short air campaign. How? The sanctions had already decimated their economy and everything that Iraqi military had was obsolete. Or you can compare today's Iran with blitzkrieg against Iraq in 1991 and Serbia in 1999.

Iranians tend to quickly start dreaming about resisting the occupation. Who says that the US and others will bother with occupation? They would be interested in turning Iran into another Libya and Syria as the primary goal.

Do you think having nukes will automatically keep your country safe from all outside interference? How come Pakistan with nukes doesn't do anything when US drones attack its people? That's what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket.