Iranian helicopter industry

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I think there is no denying the work done by Iranians to develop the Helicopter fleet which is envy of the region. All by Iranain engineers.

Its not easy to assemble a whole helicopter

When I first read about the existance of COBRAs that we begged to get being developed up to 200 cobras / few years in Iran and we got only 20 I was like boy how far are we in term of inginuity from Iranians I was shocked really shocked!!!

Wireing , the hardware, the testing every thing has to work....

So respect is due , that even after all the sanctions Iran has managed to be self sufficient in these areas.

Mean while we can also not deny the work in R&D done in Turkey in field of radars, and electronics and aviation and in general in Mecanical sector.

Perhaps if Pakistan-Iran-Turkey could work on joint project etc like a Advance Helicopter or Perhaps a next generation Long Range Air defence system it would be wonderful

We could be in same shoes but

a) We never nurtured our manufacturing sector
b) We never promoted out machine, engineering sector associated with manufacturing

So we find ourselves mercy of forigne nations to import items....

Engines, Transmissions , spare for cars, engine for planes , avionics , electronics

We have schools
We have ppl graduating

But when they are finished product we have no local companies they can go and implement their theory !! this is where we fail as a nation

Every on is driving a BMW, or Honda or Toyoto , every one is running a generator from Japan , every one uses a computer assembled else where....we have restricted outselves into a "farming nation" which ironically runs out of good for its own ppl

 

[LegionnairE]

This things work that way. I told this to you, Turkey's defence industry started because of embargo after 1974 Cyprus war. You cant buy any simple military equipment from another country when this happened. So you have to be self sufficent...

I dont underestimate irani achievements but its quite normal.

 

[Ganga]

whats the big deal??they are just carbon copies of american war machines.

 

[Peregrine]

Man, sorry this urine race making me sick too but if you follow irani posts in other international forums you will understand why we do this.

Their senseless insult on Turkey and Turkish defence industry is unacceptable

Hi
You are right, they do have a habit of downplaying other countries achievements, if its any consolation they use the same words for Pakistan as they use for Turkey, this primordial narcissism is very deep rooted in their culture, so it's better to ignore their rants as reality is too obvious to be over shadowed by their chauvinistic arguments.

 

[cabatli_53]

Man, sorry this urine race making me sick too but if you follow irani posts in other international forums you will understand why we do this.

Their senseless insult on Turkey and Turkish defence industry is unacceptable

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As long as I saw the insults/underestimating/backbiting of Iranian members about Turkish defence industry achievements at international forums with all classical Molla lie propagandas about Turkey, While they are calling themselves like a friend country of Turkey, They will get what they deserved by Turk members and Reminding them to where they belong to will be the main priority of Turkish members. Choose your way. If you call yourself like a real friend of Turks, Give respects to achievements of us... Otherwise, We will always be here to remind you something truths because As long as We kept our silence in forums, You declare your kingdom with all those bighead sentences, While throwing muds to others' achievements...

 

[Jigs]

We build have been building our own helicopters for years we already have three that have been designed and built and are being produced, and we're designing more.

Turkey is not able to produce anything, it is constructing it by putting an engine on the fuselage and screwing it in place.

By the way, the T-129 is Italian, not Turkish.

A-129 is a Italian platform T-129 is a upgraded Turkish Variant of the A-129 that will be produced in Turkey. All the avionics and weapon system are 100% turkish. The new T-800 engines is produced under license.

Your so called Iranian helicopter is a Super Cobra. Tell me what amazing achievement have you made on it ? All you did was reverse engineer something illegally that you purchased in 70s and now installed some upgrades such as a FLIR system. While our T-129 has a Turkish designed/produced mast radar with SAR and ISAR capability with a 30km range. We also have the capability to build F-16 block 50 CCIP aircraft under license in turkey along with producing our own avionics granted we Legally have source codes for weapons development and integration. While your amazing jet fighter is altered 3rd Gen F-5.

And don't even get me started on our Naval Programs.

 

[Jigs]

You mean Turkey has to catch up right? You don't build anything by yourself! The Cobra is based on a Humvee, the T-129 (which isn't even working) built by Italy, your tank, built by south korea.

Something being based one something is totally different from taking and cloning something. The Cobra might take aspects of the humvee but it is agreed to be a far better 4x4 APC. Our Tank is not built in South Korea. We purchased (note purchased) Armor tech and other systems and design aspect rights of the K-2 Panther. To use while producing our own Tank. Why is it that you downplay our capabilities ? Every sane member on this board knows the capability of the Turkish military and our defense industry but Iran comes along and tries to act like it is a big player in this market.

If your so amazing why don't you produce those Tomcats ? Like we produce F-16s. Why don't you produce fuselage parts for the 5th gen stealth aircraft like we do (F-35) ? You are sanctioned to death and the result of it is Iran trying to upgrade and reverse engineer outdated technology. Whose fault is that ?

 

[cabatli_53]

About Cobra, It uses AM general subsystems. That's not a secret and We always emphasize it, While We are introducing Cobra vehicles in forums but It does not mean that Turkish defence industry do not capable of developing/producing those similar subsystems. Turkish automotive and military vehicle industry is the wellknown around the World and Even some Israeli armoured vehicle producers are using Turkish subsystems and chassis

Otokar prefered to purchase AM general subsystems instead of Turkish one because Otokar aimed to sell Cobra vehicles for foreign countries prioritily so wanted to prefer a battle-proven chassis to advertise Cobra at international market. This act made easier everything for Otokar and reached record export numbers...

 

[Jigs]

Except for the engine, pall and the gear box, 100% of the fuselage of the helicopter was produced at TAI facilities. Within the framework of the program that covers manufacturing, assembly, systems integration and flight tests, the program was successfully realized when the last helicopter was delivered in June 2003.

 

[Cyrus the Great]

Drivers riot as oil-rich Iran rations petrol - Times Online

how about ignorant old fox of england

 

[Cyrus the Great]

Yes They are...That's the common thinking about Turkey for Iranians but never reflect any truths. At international forums I visited, You, Iranians always tries to show Turkish defence industry like assembly base of West but It is a bullsh@t. TAI-ALP aviation, KALE, TEI and many other institues are able to produce 5th generation composite-methalic parts of every aircrafts-helicopters in World including USA F-22...(You, Iranians can not even imagine what is the meaning of this technologically). Many European-USA civilian-military aircrafts use many Turkish produced parts on their bodies-engines.

TAI on his own, is producing and exporting every part of AW-139 fuselage for many international costumers...

By the way, Iran makes their own designs also.

I do not meet...

 Cloning and building from kit form is not similar.

Agree... Cloning is something like producing things you did not design-develop, without knowing any single info about it.

I mean The developer countries type hundreds of pages information, Iran is just photocopying them without knowing any single information about what the writtens are...


Everything is for propaganda in Iran. At least, Stop throwing mud to Turkish industrial capabilities and learn respecting the technological abilities of other countries...

why do you thing asking a simple question like he asked " how many helicopter Turkey is making" is throwing mud? He just asked the question but you considered that as a mud throwing then you replied mud.
the point is we are here for learning from each other, introducing what we have and. some time writing is soundless and we get misunderstand. be calm Afandi

 

[Cyrus the Great]

You know what buddy? They gonna talk about it foreveeeeer! like "without our help, pakistan dont worth sh*t" jealous arrogant basterdz

All Irani are brainwashed by regime of Iran, cabatli_53 is wasting his time but even he cannot open their blind eyes...

i would respect my Turk frineds because i have many of them here, but i have to say you are brained wash by your militarized country. still you have BIOS to your military based on your military propaganda after Kamal Ata turk, your military needed wash your brain and show itself strong and you let country rely on them. open your eyes and dont think before talking about others especially about your neighbors, you have to live together.

 

[Cyrus the Great]

Man, sorry this urine race making me sick too but if you follow irani posts in other international forums you will understand why we do this.

Their senseless insult on Turkey and Turkish defence industry is unacceptable

I have same feel about your posts in other forums, i never saw respect from your side. if some Iranian talk about Turkish defence industry in the way you do not like , you insulted entire Iran nation in your former post.
even if something happened in other forums you do not have to do same in this forum.

 

[cabatli_53]

why do you thing asking a simple question like he asked " how many helicopter Turkey is making" is throwing mud? He just asked the question but you considered that as a mud throwing then you replied mud.
the point is we are here for learning from each other, introducing what we have and. some time writing is soundless and we get misunderstand. be calm Afandi

Implication is clear and I know his past profile in PDF. If He asked something to learn about Turkish defence industry, He would be welcomed by Turkish members but Situation is more different than you supposed in here...

 

[cabatli_53]

i would respect my Turk frineds because i have many of them here, but i have to say you are brained wash by your militarized country. still you have BIOS to your military based on your military propaganda after Kamal Ata turk, your military needed wash your brain and show itself strong and you let country rely on them. open your eyes and dont think before talking about others especially about your neighbors, you have to live together.

No offence but A citizen of a country ruled by an undemocratic dictatorship and Molla regime based on so called religious rules is nowhere to judge Turkish democracy, Turkish military, Future perpective of this country, Great Ataturk and his achievements in accordance with own ideological World.

Besides, Turkish military never needs brainwashing to introduce himself like strong. The Strength/Power of Turkish military is known well by World including NATO. The Strength of Turkish army is equal to Strength of Turkish nation.

Propaganda and Brainwashing with lies, photoshops mean current Iranian media directed by Molla regime in 21. century so We can not compete with you in this area...