Iranian first attack helicopter underway!

[scythian500]

People with the "attacked" notion are those with few achievements under their belt. The fact remains that neither of these prototypes have done much beyond being on propaganda shows.
There is a real and fake industry in Iran that runs parallel. The latter for the Ayatollahs whilst the former is kept going by the more pragmatic elements in the Iranian military. In either case, their Bell Helicopter derivatives would have had merit if they did not take eons in their supposed development stage where similar programs such as the ATA superhind take a few months to churn out. Although in fairness the Iranians have done a lot with all the unjust sanctions slapped on them; yet not as much as they could have with their talent as it usually kept busy building propaganda stuff.

what are those fake industries in Iran? your description fits our eastern neigbor much more than iran... would u please kindely give a list of 20 fake iranian industries... what about 10?

I wait for a totally professional and technical response...

And since we were discussion Shahed 285 .... how is 278 relevant? Oh wait, it isn't.

remember how all these Shahed thing started? The subject derailed as I said, No, there are already digitial cockpits in operation... I accepted my mistake on 285 and 278... but hey... do you remember the first post? All these digiital cockpits are for your doubt about Iran having digital instra in its choppers... Do you agree that the Toufan-2 insta is digital or still tends to be Analgue?

AGAIN, NOT Shahed 285 as shown in the vid in the first post?

It is not anything about Shahed 285... as you are a professional of Iranian products especially mock ups, I asked a question if you know what it is in that photo where the commander is behind some sort of MDF...

Stop this ugly behavior... Loser? Thanks...

 

[The Last of us]

@scythian500

I don't why you're continuing this? His original point had nothing to do with what people are replying to him with. He was not saying Iran could not digitalise the 285 etc nor did he is say Iran is incapable of such a feat for this new heli in development.

 

[scythian500]

what aircraft exactly?

do u know what kind of planes? only commercial birds training?

 

[cabatli_53]

Exactly. Their propaganda shows actually take away all the attention from everything else and make everyone focus solely on their mock ups, lies and propaganda. They do themselves a world of disservice by doing the things they do and if you say anything, the akhoond 11111111 army attacks you with the usual bull shit.


In Iran, the national TV is showing revolutionary propaganda in the form of music, TV shows, movies and documentaries 24/7. The news is spun to show a "world vs Iran" angle. Friday prayers, propaganda murals and posters in the streets, billboards etc... also portray the same ideas and images. Basically they believe the world is against them and that the West wants to control Iran. That's how they've been brought up. Anything you say to them is an attack on the country. This is partly how most dictatorships are able to maintain control (Iran, North Korea, China etc...). Although to be fair China has got a lot going for it, but they do partake in the same sort of "us vs them" model that most dictatorships run on.

Interesting. It must be the reason of similar behaviors many Iranian members are carrying out against different voices in forums. They feel themselves defend everything introduced with a proud stories but proved as %100 lie in many forums by many respected members in past.

 

[The Last of us]

Interesting. It must be the reason of similar behaviors many Iranian members are carrying out against different voices in forums. They feel themselves defend everything introduced with a proud stories but proved as %100 lie in many forums by many respected members in past.

Give me a few example of those "100% proved lie".

 

[cabatli_53]

People with the "attacked" notion are those with few achievements under their belt. The fact remains that neither of these prototypes have done much beyond being on propaganda shows.
There is a real and fake industry in Iran that runs parallel. The latter for the Ayatollahs whilst the former is kept going by the more pragmatic elements in the Iranian military. In either case, their Bell Helicopter derivatives would have had merit if they did not take eons in their supposed development stage where similar programs such as the ATA superhind take a few months to churn out. Although in fairness the Iranians have done a lot with all the unjust sanctions slapped on them; yet not as much as they could have with their talent as it usually kept busy building propaganda stuff.

That's the point I strongly believe because Many of those introduced by Iranian members have not an ambitious purpose of surpassing a foreign equivalent in terms of performance but just doing show of strength against regular public who don't have any idea about systems. Noone even wonders their performances. When It is asked, You are suddenly being attacked or asked Why you are here watching Iranian projects like statements.

 

[The Last of us]

That's the point I strongly believe because Many of those introduced by Iranian members have not an ambitious purpose of surpassing a foreign equivalent in terms of performance but just doing show of strength against regular public who don't have any idea about systems. Noone even wonders their performances. When It is asked, You are suddenly being attacked or asked Why you are here watching Iranian projects like statements.

The public who follow such news know as much about such things as fanboys like yourself and me. we're all fanboys. The regular public in Iran could not care less about such things. You talk as if your country shows more tests etc than Iran. Do you have any idea how many times Iran shows tests of its missile etc? You don't have a clue what you're talking about. Your problem is, you're too uneducated about matter relating to Iran so you jump to conclusions. My advice to you is this, most Iranians in this forum are clueless about technical issues, so, if you really have questions, technical questions about Iranian hardware, go to a proper Iranian forum and ask. They won't kill you, matter of fact they're quite professional. As long as you don't come across as you're trolling, then its fine.

 

[Penguin]

What do all these posts have to do with this topic? Stop taking the thread off topic.

@Penguin Alot of these Iranian members do not know proper English. I think they misunderstood your original comment. They probably thought you were saying Iran will use analogue instrument in this new helicopter in development.

I hope they know the difference between a mock-up, a first flying version and a planned future version. I fail to see how other helicopters getting a digital cockpit relates to a particular first flying version of a helicopter not (yet) having it. Particularly, since I've not once commented on the Industrial capabilities of Iran. It is plain rude.

 

[scythian500]

They keep mocking up Iran's experimental shahed 285 !

But they don't know what we have...

Analogue instumentation?

Guys ... I am talking about a heavy world class chopper !

Leave alone that experimental S-285 please !

why should the new models be analogue? The older models are digitialized... so the future models will be digital too...

it says the shown chopper the film is operational (in Persian) and in company catalog you can see its specifications... so what is left to be shown digital? why you say it still tends to be an analogue instrumentation even with the MDFs!

It is also visible in this marketing brochure that the digital instrumentation for helicopters is the PRIMARY instrumentation... I guess it means that all needed info is in digital and the analogue gauges are for reliability only... If I,m right...

Although, in New Saegheh cockpit you can see that there is almost no analogue instrumentation left (as far as it is clear in the photos)....
icimil.ir in Isfahan is building all these digital MDFs and other optical and laser products and when they issue a marketing catalog for their products including the chopper digital instrumentation, then it must be applicable and tested on flight already...

Those are not (in) the Shahed 285. That should be Obvious to you too. What is it with you folks, why are you always feeling attacked? I've said NOTHING negative about capability. I've looked and worded quite objectively. That there is a digitital cockpit display system available (for Mi-8/17) doesn't mean it is in Shahed 285. Get a grip.

People with the "attacked" notion are those with few achievements under their belt. The fact remains that neither of these prototypes have done much beyond being on propaganda shows.
There is a real and fake industry in Iran that runs parallel. The latter for the Ayatollahs whilst the former is kept going by the more pragmatic elements in the Iranian military. In either case, their Bell Helicopter derivatives would have had merit if they did not take eons in their supposed development stage where similar programs such as the ATA superhind take a few months to churn out. Although in fairness the Iranians have done a lot with all the unjust sanctions slapped on them; yet not as much as they could have with their talent as it usually kept busy building propaganda stuff.

Exactly. Their propaganda shows actually take away all the attention from everything else and make everyone focus solely on their mock ups, lies and propaganda. They do themselves a world of disservice by doing the things they do and if you say anything, the akhoond 11111111 army attacks you with the usual bull shit.

What I said to deserve all these hatered out of jealousy? and I,m not defending every product comes out of Iran...

If you follow the posts that I quoted you see clearly that I though the think tank bird asks about New Attack Copper Underway... It means I thought he asks if the future chopper will use analogue instrumentation... then I said, no Iran already applied these kind of MDFs to choppers like Toufan-2 and Shahed-285.... then immediately the think tank bird started to act aggressive...and instantly couple of permanently jealous and ill minds here + the Abii the afghani refugee who false flages as if he is an Iranian, started to stick every lebel which is true about themselves and their countries to me and Iran....

There fox are sick and need critical psychological care!!

I even accepted in one point that YES, Panguin is right and it was not Shahed 285..

The topic of this thread as @SOHEIL the creator mentioned at least 5 times here, is not Shahed-285... I only thought panguin is talking about the COMING ATTACK CHOPPER and is it is analgue... I explain that we already applied digital MDFs to older models then the future one won't be any exceptions....

PS: to ke bad tar kardi baradar... mikhay in tor harfa ro bezani bia too canale dakheli...na inke baz be english begi ma darim be Iran zarar mizanim!!

I promise I will never engage in any kind of talks with these Full of OGHDE and self-himulation guys who think they worth sh*it... they don't... a couple of refugee escapees who are more of parasites to both their home and host countries...

 

[Penguin]

what are those fake industries in Iran? your description fits our eastern neigbor much more than iran... would u please kindely give a list of 20 fake iranian industries... what about 10?

I wait for a totally professional and technical response...


remember how all these Shahed thing started? The subject derailed as I said, No, there are already digitial cockpits in operation... I accepted my mistake on 285 and 278... but hey... do you remember the first post? All these digiital cockpits are for your doubt about Iran having digital instra in its choppers... Do you agree that the Toufan-2 insta is digital or still tends to be Analgue?


It is not anything about Shahed 285... as you are a professional of Iranian products especially mock ups, I asked a question if you know what it is in that photo where the commander is behind some sort of MDF...

Stop this ugly behavior... Loser? Thanks...

You get respect when you give respect. You and other see fit to 'put me in my place' while in fact you guys are the ones not behaving professionally.

PLEASE QUOTE THE POST IN WHICH I EXPRTES DOUBT ABOUT IRAN HAVING DIGITAL COCKPITS.

A for trechnical response, see game controller.

 

[The Last of us]

I hope they know the difference between a mock-up, a first flying version and a planned future version. I fail to see how other helicopters getting a digital cockpit relates to a particular first flying version of a helicopter not (yet) having it. Particularly, since I've not once commented on the Industrial capabilities of Iran. It is plain rude.

Even seagheh (F-5 based plane) still has analogue instruments even though they clearly have the capability to use the full glass cockpit they showed a while back for it.I believe Saegheh, shahed 285, are ultimately just for gaining experience. The real production hardware will be fitted with proper digital cockpit. For example, the Homa helicopter will have the full glass cockpit.

I think the Iranian members simply misunderstood you. That's all. Please don't get bad idea about Iranians here as a whole.

 

[scythian500]

That's the point I strongly believe because Many of those introduced by Iranian members have not an ambitious purpose of surpassing a foreign equivalent in terms of performance but just doing show of strength against regular public who don't have any idea about systems. Noone even wonders their performances. When It is asked, You are suddenly being attacked or asked Why you are here watching Iranian projects like statements.

Despite all the fake industries of Iran, we still have some fake industries to propaganda about... what about Turkey, an assembly nation with the supervision of other advanced nations!! Iran is like a country landed a man on moon comparing to your backward, third world country... If you and your kind were n,t a sick kind of hate-seekers out of jealousy we would have share what we know with you...but if you review your kind's posts... you see you and your kind are the ones who always start this troll war...

You build a (military) simulator for a specific plane or planes, don't you.

No, I asked do you know what kind of planes can be fit into that training simulator? Is it a modular system and can host every plane?

 

[Penguin]

Even seagheh (F-5 based plane) still has analogue instruments even though they clearly have the capability to use the full glass cockpit they showed a while back for it.I believe Saegheh, shahed 285, are ultimately just for gaining experience. The real production hardware will be fitted with proper digital cockpit. For example, the Homa helicopter will have the full glass cockpit.

I think the Iranian members simply misunderstood you. That's all. Please don't get bad idea about Iranians here as a whole.

Ok. . No permanent harm done.Case closed

 

[scythian500]

I hope they know the difference between a mock-up, a first flying version and a planned future version. I fail to see how other helicopters getting a digital cockpit relates to a particular first flying version of a helicopter not (yet) having it. Particularly, since I've not once commented on the Industrial capabilities of Iran. It is plain rude.

I don;t know their differences... could you please explain them professionally? I appreciate

 

[The Last of us]

Ok. . No permanent harm done.Case closed

Problems is, as soon as they posted picture of shahed 285, people thought that had something to do with the attack heli project from the thread news. Their English is not good and they make a thread end up like this.

Anyway gents, I am going to bed. Please stop carrying on debating over some misunderstanding.
Take care all!