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Nonsense. Turkish navy has FACs with long range missiles, a real air defense and most importantly the biggest, most modern submarine force in the mediterranean. You're only gangsta until torpedoes start heading towards your aircraft carrier.

The Turkish navy comprises 18 FAC's, all of which are bulkier than Iran's largest ones. Iranian naval forces for their part are fielding 15 Kaman / Sina class (IRIN), 11 of them in the Persian Gulf with 3 more under construction, as well as 11 Tondar class (IRGCN) vessels armed with quadruple ASCM launchers.

However, to this the IRGCN adds several dozens of lighter FAC's armed with shorter range missiles enabling saturation of the Persian Gulf.

So no, the Iranian FAC fleet is superior in firepower. Said firepower being distributed among a greater number of vessels with smaller dimensions, survivability of the fleet against a powerful enemy is therefore increased.

Not to mention Iran's massive, highly mobile arsenal of land-based anti-ship cruise and solid-fueled ballistic missile launchers, including the protective underground infrastructure housing them. Quasi-ballistic anti-ship missiles include the Khalije Fars and the anti-radiation Hormoz. The latest entry into this category being a heavier ballistic missile with a range of 1500 km and a terminal speed of mach 8 designed to hit moving targets at sea.

In terms of air defence, as said Iranian naval forces in the Persian Gulf and along the Makran Coast enjoy the cover of Iran's land-based integrated air defence system, which is ahead of Turkey's.

When it comes to the sub-surface fleet, the IRIN's 20 to 40 (exact numbers are unknown to outsiders) Qadir midget submarines (about 120 tonnes of displacement) make for an ideal weapon of asymmetric warfare in the shallow waters of the Persian Gulf. Harder to detect than Turkey's 12 units of German Type 209's (1600-1800 tonnes), they're also better suited for ambush attacks.

This is what a Qadir will do to "sophisticated NATO-standard corvettes", as illustrated in the 2010 sinking of the ROKS Cheonan by the Qadir's Korean equivalent:

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The Qadirs will be complemented by the Fateh class (around 590 tonnes) of entirely indigenous design, one of which is in service and two under construction as we speak. Upcoming examples will feature AIP.

Moreover the IRGCN is in the process of manufacturing its own submarines, presumably light ones to start with. Details haven't been made public so far.

Torpedoes will not simply be fired from midget and semi-heavy submarines though. For in addition to these, the IRGCN is equipped with torpedo-armed FAC's and semi-submersibles. IRIN helicopters can launch torpedoes as well. Of note in this regard is the fact that Iran has reverse engineered the Soviet supercavitating VA-111 Shkval, known to reach speeds in excess of 320 km/h.

Naval mines are another field Iran has invested in. It was an Iranian laid mine which struck the American guided missile frigate USS Samuel Roberts in 1988, causing 96 million USD in damage. As well as the American-flagged SS Bridgeton supertanker in 1987. That was then, today Iran probably has up to several thousand times the number of mines at her disposal and they are technologically much more advanced.

Last but not least thousands of UAV's form an integral part of Iran's naval strategy, fulfilling the entire range of roles (UCAV's, suicide drones, reconnaissance drones, electronic warfare drones etc). They are increasingly being deployed onto Navy vessels.

This is a comprehensive naval and anti-ship strike package precisely tailored for asymmetric defense against a major global power with virtually unlimited resources.

They haven't attacked us yet, which means they can't is a broken logic. They are winning on the political and economical theaters of war. They have no reason to militarily attack you. That would only unite Iran. It doesn't mean that they can'.

No it's not, given the USA regime's intention, namely to subject Iran to the same fate as Iraq and Libya.

To say they "are winning" on the political and economical fronts is baseless. Especially since they've been at it for 44 years no less. Iran has weathered harsher storms during this period, her network of regional and global alliances hasn't ceased expanding and remains as solidly entrenched as ever. Nuclear weapons are in reach if required, ICBM technology fully mastered. What sort of a "winning" is this for the Americans?

By that logic Washington would have had no reason to invade Iraq, seeing how Baghdad had been battered politically and economically.

Their objective is territorial disintegration, complete destruction of Iran's social fabric and infrastructures, wrecking havoc on the population (physically and psychologically) as well as turning the resulting rump entity into a permanent failed state. Their ongoing political, cultural and economical aggression is merely conceived of as a means to this end. As long as they fail to bring about the intended outcome, they are unsuccessful in the face of Iranian Resistance.
 
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However, to this the IRGCN adds several dozens of lighter FAC's armed with shorter range missiles enabling saturation of the Persian Gulf.
It's exactly what I'm criticizing, most of these ships have too short a range to pose a threat to larger ships, they will be detected and destroyed long before coming close to a carrier group. Neither they have the ability to remain at sea for any real length of time or in harsh weather conditions.

Your most basic ship must
1. possess anti ship missiles that match the range of the American Harpoon
2. have the ability to remain at sea for a while
3. big enough to mount a CIWS

Optionally:
Having good sensors and networked warfare capabilities would be good
Having a stabilized naval gun would give some flexibility

Such a ship could be shorter than Kılıç Class. We're still talking about assymetric warfare but in a better organized fashion that could really lock down persian gulf.
In terms of air defence, as said Iranian naval forces in the Persian Gulf and along the Makran Coast enjoy the cover of Iran's land-based integrated air defence system, which is ahead of Turkey's.
Turkey has the OG S400 as well as Hisar and Siper but 10 years ago we basically had nothing. Just I-Hawks and Rapiers. So what protected the Turkish airspace? Just 240 F-16s

We're not a defensive military. We're a very offensive one. Our aim is to dominate the eastern mediterranean. Not just stopping people from attacking Turkish shores but to always have the competitive edge over Greece, France, Egypt, Israel and so on.

If Iran's coastal air defense batteries are suppressed, your navy is completely exposed, it's a big weakness the enemy could exploit

This is what a Qadir will do to "sophisticated NATO-standard corvettes", as illustrated in the 2010 sinking of the ROKS Cheonan by the Qadir's Korean equivalent:

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It ambushed and sank a single corvette on patrol of the right next door neighbor. Not the aircraft carrier group of an overseas superpower.

Kadirs have so little endurance that they can be easily tracked when they surface, so little firepower that they couldn't be much of a threat and such short range that they couldn't be effective any distance away from the Iranian shores.

If it was the Turkish navy, Americans would be worried about being ambushed in the Indian ocean.
By that logic Washington would have had no reason to invade Iraq, seeing how Baghdad had been battered politically and economically.

And lastly, attacking Iraq was a big strategic folly. They murdered a million Iraqis and incurred great costs all to pacify the region for Israel's zionist agenda. They could never justify that war to the American public without the 9/11 so they staged it.

They can not attack Iran without some 9/11 kind of event. Which was the point of Suleimani assassination. Fortunately Iranian government was smart enough to not take the bait.

Rest assured, they wanted to start the war.
 
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Combined loans of all banks to different sections during first 9 months of Iranian year ( last 9 months of 2022)

Right side :

Blue is Service section which it got 40.1%
Red is Industry section which it got 35.5%
Orange is Trade section which it got 9.3%
Light green is Agriculture section which it got 7.8%
Dark green is Housing section which it got 7.2%
And Others got 0.1% of all loans :rolleyes: surely

Source:Tahlilbazar.com

(Service section usually relates to all of the other sections so it's not clear who got more or less in this regards.)

This post is self explanatory :).
 
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It's exactly what I'm criticizing, most of these ships have too short a range to pose a threat to larger ships, they will be detected and destroyed long before coming close to a carrier group. Neither they have the ability to remain at sea for any real length of time or in harsh weather conditions.

It's because the Persian Gulf is swarming with these vessels alongside other assets that it a war scenario it'll be a no-go zone for larger enemy ships.

This is shown by the enemy's behaviour and statements.

Your most basic ship must
1. possess anti ship missiles that match the range of the American Harpoon
2. have the ability to remain at sea for a while
3. big enough to mount a CIWS

Bigger dimensions = easier to detect.

Bigger dimensions = fewer numbers. Sheer numbers will eventually overwhelm the aggressor's offensive munitions. One Harpoon is enough to put out of duty a 400 tonnes FAC. But if the firepower of that FAC was distributed among, say eight light FAC's which could be procured for the same price, the enemy would need to spend ten Harpoons to achieve a similar result.

Numbers also mean greater expendability. The fewer vessels one concentrates one's cards on, the greater the risks when faced with a powerful enemy.

Remaining at sea for long = higher probability of being detected and attacked. A preferable approach consists in sheltering scores of small, fast FAC's in hardened bases and sending them out on hit and run missions.

Optionally:
Having good sensors and networked warfare capabilities would be good
Having a stabilized naval gun would give some flexibility

Such a ship could be shorter than Kılıç Class. We're still talking about assymetric warfare but in a better organized fashion that could really lock down persian gulf.

Iran does have those in her inventory as well, I mentioned them: Kaman (La Combattante II) / Sina (Iranian reverse-engineered version of the latter) and Tondar classes of FAC's. A total of 22 operating in the Persian Gulf at present with 3 Sina's under construction and possibly further Tondar's to be added as well. Their displacement is in the 200 to 265 tonnes range and they are equipped with superior radars and sensors compared to light FAC's, as well as with naval guns. In the mid to long term we're thus looking at anywhere between 25 to 30 such vessels patrolling the Persian Gulf and Sea of Oman.

One step above is the Shahid Soleimani light corvette (some 600 tonnes of displacement) with a stealthier design and a catamaran hull. One's operational and two under construction, it's quite possible their fleet will exceed 10 units.

Light FAC's aren't supposed to be acting alone, but in concert with a multitude of other systems. They're one of several pieces in a cohesive defense architecture. As such, they have a place, a utility of their own. One cannot gauge their effectiveness on the basis of a side by side comparison with an aircraft carrier, as this isn't how it would play out in practice.

If Iran's coastal air defense batteries are suppressed, your navy is completely exposed, it's a big weakness the enemy could exploit

If Iran's air defenses were suppressed, the Navy isn't the only thing that would be exposed. Practically every critical asset on the mainland would be. The whole point is to prevent this from happening by striking the enemy's offensive weapons and their underlying infrastructure with a hail of precision guided ballistic and cruise missiles, drones etc.

Naturally there are budgetary and technological constraints to overcome, so everything can't be developed at once. Fact however is that Iran's naval strategy has managed to ensure the sought after deterrence, and moreover it is constantly in the process of being enhanced as additional technologies are gotten hold of. Improvement of seaborne air defence is a step that has been mastered and is currently being implemented in Navy vessels.

In 2020 for instance the IRGC tested its 3rd Khordad SAM on the Shahid Siavashi transport ship.

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These efforts then bore fruit in the shape of the Shahid Soleimani's significant air defence capability. A tendency that's surely going to be noticed on future Navy ships designed and produced by Iran, if not in upgrade programs for existing vessels.

It ambushed and sank a single corvette on patrol of the right next door neighbor. Not the aircraft carrier group of an overseas superpower.

Should it try to launch military aggression on Iran, the overseas superpower in question will have to bring over its ships. It happens to be operating bases in Iran's immediate vicinity. So there's not much of a difference here. If anything, distance complicates logistics and operability.

Similar to how the Cheonan was ambushed corvettes, frigates and destroyers accompanying USA aircraft carriers can and will be ambushed by Iranian midget and semi-heavy attack submarines in the shallow waters of the Persian Gulf, where background noise is such that powerful sonars will see their range reduced, and where the geology offers excellent dissimulation opportunities to small subs.

Kadirs have so little endurance that they can be easily tracked when they surface, so little firepower that they couldn't be much of a threat and such short range that they couldn't be effective any distance away from the Iranian shores.

Qadirs aren't supposed to secure blue waters but the Persian Gulf in essence. They are part of the reason why the enemy's bulky vessels aren't going to sail into the Persian Gulf in case of a war.

They may be trackable when they surface but why would they do such a thing? Considering the size of the Persian Gulf, they can remain below surface up until the moment they return to a hardened base after accomplishing their mission. In the meantime they will be sitting silently on the seabed, awaiting their prey.

As for firepower, look at the photograph of the Cheonan. A 1200 tonnes corvette literally chopped in half by a single 533 mm torpedo. Each Qadir carries at least two of these. Or naval mines, or Jask-2 submarine-launched cruise missiles.

In the words of western analysts and enemy navy commanders themselves:

Vijay Sakhuja, director of the National Maritime Foundation, comments that the class is "[the] most difficult to detect particularly when resting on the seabed and this could be the possible tactics that the Iranian Navy could employ during hostilities. Further, given their numbers, these could overwhelm enemy's technological superiority".[17]

According to U.S. Navy Captain Tracy A. Vincent, Ghadir submarines can provide additional surveillance capability and create a new layer of defense for Iranian naval forces.[18] Commander Daniel Dolan maintains that the submarines are well-designed for the purpose of guerrilla warfare, ambush and anti-access/area denial (A2/AD), describing them as potentially more expendable in comparison to Kilo class attack submarines. He argues that American fleet is prone to a high threat environment created by sheer number of these "small but lethal threats".[19] Royal Navy Commander Ryan Ramsey, who captained nuclear submarine HMS Turbulent (S87) in the Persian Gulf has stated that the submarines are a threat to western forces operating in the region, adding that "[t]he Ghadir-class are tiny submarines but have enough torpedoes to sink a couple of ships".[20]

They don't seem to be dismissing these subs at all. As a matter of fact I've seen various authors from the west qualify them as the single most dangerous (for potential western aggressors) ships in the Iranian Navy.

If it was the Turkish navy, Americans would be worried about being ambushed in the Indian ocean.

If you are of the opinion that 16 frigates measuring some 120 to 130 meters in length, sold to Turkey by either the USA itself or by Germany (thus Americans are privy to their technical specifications) and outgunned by equivalent sorts of vessels fielded by the USN in greater numbers, would represent a harder nut to crack than a hundred disseminated, fast, maneuverable, pesky craft designed for ambushes, swarm attacks and naval guerilla warfare, then so be it. The Turkish navy is designed to protect Ankara's interests vis à vis Greece and other European countries, against Egypt as well but not to confront American invaders, a scenario Turkey will not be envisaging anytime soon.

Once those frigates are out of the way the Persian Gulf would be at the mercy of the enemy. Iran with her asymmetric doctrine has effectively succeeded in keeping the enemy at bay insofar as no naval aggression is ever going to be initiated from a point closer than some hundreds of kilometers from Iranian shores. Which in turn has considerable implications as to range, quantity of weapons carried, sortie rates and safety of enemy fighter jets i.e. the central offensive weapon their doctrine is constructed around.

And lastly, attacking Iraq was a big strategic folly. They murdered a million Iraqis and incurred great costs all to pacify the region for Israel's zionist agenda. They could never justify that war to the American public without the 9/11 so they staged it.

They can not attack Iran without some 9/11 kind of event. Which was the point of Suleimani assassination. Fortunately Iranian government was smart enough to not take the bait.

Rest assured, they wanted to start the war.

All out war or downright invasion of Iran would suppose military build up on such a scale that it would take months to complete. They hadn't shown any signs of intending to perform a build up when they carried out the terrorist attack on shahid Soleimani.

You describe the 9-11 attacks as false flag events aimed at legitimizing the wars on Afghanistan and Iraq, I share this view. Why then did they not stage a similar operation in 2020 to blame Iran? Because they knew war with Iran would prove not just costly but too costly actually.

Now if your assessment is that the USA incurred heavy damage by attacking Iraq, then the logical deduction will be that Iran would inflict politically, socially and economically unbearable losses to the Americans. And their leadership, deep state included is fully aware of this. A solitary madman at the White House seeking to go ahead nonetheless would be stopped in his tracks by the establishment.

Let's recall that Iraq was an agonizing country in early 2003, "softened up" by over a decade of devastating sanctions, disarmament, no-fly zones and regular aerial bombing raids. Furthermore Baghdad was deprived of Iran's manifold instruments of deterrence, namely: more than thrice the population (present day Iran as compared to 2003 Iraq) and thrice the surface area, terrain (highly mountainous in Iran's case), geographical location atop the Strait of Hormoz, chokepoint through which 30% of global oil supplies are transiting, deeply rooted patriotic / nationalistic sentiment across the board, a religious support base legitimizing the government, an extensive network of allies including ideologically committed ones equipped and trained by Iran, vast national defense industries, considerable degree of industrial and agricultural self-sufficiency, power to set the region ablaze including by striking the zionist entity, latent nuclear breakout capability.

So we're effectively comparing apples and oranges. For the USA regime repercussions of military aggression on Iran compared to the impact the illegal invasion of Iraq has had, would be like night and day.

How did Iraq end up in such a vulnerable position? Fatally flawed decision making which you alluded to is part of it, namely Saddam's invasion of Kuwait. The other part is a similarly flawed defense doctrine, which was inadequate against US military aggression since its general orientation was not asymmetrical enough. Iraq lacked the massive ballistic and cruise missile force (and what they had left in this regard turned out to be their most effective weapon against the Americans), the UAV arsenal, the IADS, the navy suitable for guerilla warfare, the hardened underground bases, the space program which Iran meticulously proceeded to set up, drawing the right conclusions from NATO's campaigns since the 1990's.

If Iran were to commit a blunder similar to Saddam in 1990, it would offer the USA regime political capital to attempt a military response of sorts. Absent such a move however the cost benefit calculus of a military undertaking against Iran will not be considered beneficial in Washington. This in turn has caused the Americans to fail in their objectives because everything else they threw at Iran did not produce the outcome they were hoping for.
 
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Iranian VP Proposes Setting Up Joint Bank with Africa​

Iranian VP Proposes Setting Up Joint Bank with Africa

TEHRAN (Tasnim) – Iranian Vice President for Economic Affairs Mohsen Rezaei called for the establishment of a joint bank with Africa, saying it will greatly help develop relations between Iran and African states.​

Speaking at a conference on International Scientific-Economic Cooperation between Iran and West Africa, held in Tehran on Monday, Rezaei said Iran attaches great importance to its relations with African countries.
Africa managed to achieve independence after centuries and presently is on the right track of development and growth, he said, adding that Africa can regain its international status with its successful economy.
Rezaei pointed to the high capacities and potentials of the Islamic Republic of Iran at the international level and added that the country can give a boost to many advanced industries in West Africa.
In remarks at a meeting with a group of African officials on Monday, Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi expressed the country’s readiness to share its technical achievements with the African states, calling for plans to facilitate the Iranian private sectors’ engagement in various projects in Africa.
 
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Bigger dimensions = easier to detect.
Modern radars are so incredibly powerful that this doesn't matter. For the American SPY-2 especially so.
Bigger dimensions = fewer numbers. Sheer numbers will eventually overwhelm the aggressor's offensive munitions. One Harpoon is enough to put out of duty a 400 tonnes FAC. But if the firepower of that FAC was distributed among, say eight light FAC's which could be procured for the same price, the enemy would need to spend ten Harpoons to achieve a similar result.

Numbers also mean greater expendability. The fewer vessels one concentrates one's cards on, the greater the risks when faced with a powerful enemy.

Remaining at sea for long = higher probability of being detected and attacked. A preferable approach consists in sheltering scores of small, fast FAC's in hardened bases and sending them out on hit and run missions.
The first part is true but CIWS changes the equation and remaining at sea for long reduces the chance of detection. You dont think they are watching your naval bases? If you have to constantly go back to the base you will be much more easily tracked. It won't matter how "hardened" your base is, if they know where it is, they'll find a way to deal with it.

Look I'm not completely against the speed boats with missiles, But when that's your only line of defense, it becomes a huge problem.

I talked about the problems with Sina class, Tonda class and the Souleimani in my previous posts. These are fine but can be much improved.

Something Turkish navy is working on is STM MPAC, which is going to be a game changer when it's adopted. Think about a small FAC, that can happily exchange fire with a big frigate or a destroyer and win.
They don't seem to be dismissing these subs at all. As a matter of fact I've seen various authors from the west qualify them as the single most dangerous (for potential western aggressors) ships in the Iranian Navy.
I'm not dismissing them either, they are just much more easy to find due to short range and slow speed. Turkish subs, that could be anywhere in indian ocean, modern, high tech systems, much greater threat.

In 2020 for instance the IRGC tested its 3rd Khordad SAM on the Shahid Siavashi transport ship.

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These efforts then bore fruit in the shape of the Shahid Soleimani's significant air defence capability. A tendency that's surely going to be noticed on future Navy ships designed and produced by Iran, if not in upgrade programs for existing vessels.
It's a good start I suppose, but I haven't seen any air defence on the Süleymani class. Are we talking about the same system=? You're talking about the 600 ton catamaran right?
 
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They may be trackable when they surface but why would they do such a thing? Considering the size of the Persian Gulf, they can remain below surface up until the moment they return to a hardened base after accomplishing their mission. In the meantime they will be sitting silently on the seabed, awaiting their prey.
They can't wait very long, and two torpedoes aren't enough to sink an aircraft carrier let alone a carrier group. You're outgunned by a WWII Type VIIB. Actually you're outgunned by a Type IIA which is pretty fucking scary. I don't want to be in the shoes of the Iranian Kadir class submarine captain that sees an american carrier group in his periscope. The dread and desperation would be... well let's just say it would be the scariest moment of anyones life.

Imagine that you see an enemy squad with assault rifles, machineguns, AT4s etc. And you have only two bullets in your pistol, and you must attack.

Fateh class is a step in the right direction.
 
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Iran’s wheat production rises 28% in 2022: FAO​

March 5, 2023 - 14:3


TEHRAN - Wheat production in Iran has increased by 28 percent in 2022, putting the Islamic Republic in 13th place among the world’s top producers of the strategic grain, according to the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO)’s latest Food Outlook report.
Based on the said report, Iranian farmers managed to produce 13 million tons of wheat in 2022, 2.9 million tons more than the figure for the previous year in which the total production stood at 10.1 million tons, IRNA reported.
According to FAO, Iran was the world’s 14th largest wheat producer in 2021.
The organization has also predicted that Iran will produce 13 million tons of wheat in 2023, which will not change compared to 2022.
Despite concerns about the impact of the Ukraine war on the world's agricultural production in 2022, the world's wheat production this year increased by two percent compared to the previous year and reached 794 million tons. In 2021, the total wheat production in the world was estimated at 778 million tons.
China was the largest wheat producer in 2022 with a production of 137.7 million tons, followed by the European Union with 134.5 million tons and India with 106.8 million tons.
Russia, the U.S., Australia, Canada, Pakistan, Ukraine, Turkey, the UK, and Kazakhstan were placed higher than Iran and ranked fourth to twelfth.
In a previous report released in June 2022, FAO saw cereal production in Iran to grow 34.2 percent in 2022, while the imports of such products were seen to drop 25 percent.


@waz @The Eagle @WebMaster Please clean this thread from derailing, off-topic and spamming
 
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All out war or downright invasion of Iran would suppose military build up on such a scale that it would take months to complete. They hadn't shown any signs of intending to perform a build up when they carried out the terrorist attack on shahid Soleimani.
There wasn't military build-up before 9-11 either.

They bombed Iraq for a week before launching the ground invasion. How do you suppose Iran would be doing after maybe a month of heavy bombardment?

Ballistic missiles aren't enough. Iran needs means to be effective in the indian ocean. More Kilo submarines are required. But most importantly, Iran needs better relations with her neighbors. It would be difficult to win over Americans, it could be difficult to win over saudis but Iran is alienating Azerbaijan for no damn reason. Why give your enemy free allies? So they won't even need their carrier groups? So they can attack you more easily? There's no logic to this, and it's the stupidest mistake Iran is making.
 
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Modern radars are so incredibly powerful that this doesn't matter. For the American SPY-2 especially so.

In real war, a lot of things turn out differently than on paper. This is when seemingly innocent details start mattering.

The first part is true but CIWS changes the equation

The numbers advantage will still be with the light FAC's in terms of survivability. Four Harpoons fired simultaneously at the CIWS-equipped, heavier FAC should mean that at least one will get through. To neutralize eight light FAC's though, at least four additional Harpoons will still be required.

and remaining at sea for long reduces the chance of detection. You dont think they are watching your naval bases? If you have to constantly go back to the base you will be much more easily tracked. It won't matter how "hardened" your base is, if they know where it is, they'll find a way to deal with it.

To that effect, the enemy would need to have broken through Iran's A2/AD shield. At that point the Navy won't be of much relevance anyway. But that's not going to happen since enemy air bases will start get pummeled massively from the very first seconds of the conflict.

Moreover this is leaving out the fact that the mission area of Qadirs is largely confined to the Persian Gulf and adjacent stretches of the Oman Sea. Which implies that encounters will happen in far shorter order than they would in open seas and oceans. The Strait of Hormoz, gateway to the Persian Gulf is so narrow and its vicinity so limited in surface that this alone will play into the hands of a local defending force lying in wait to ambush the trespassing aggressor.

Look I'm not completely against the speed boats with missiles, But when that's your only line of defense, it becomes a huge problem.

Then you'd need to go back and read my post again because it details the multi-layered nature of Iran's naval line of defence, way beyond speed boats.

I talked about the problems with Sina class, Tonda class and the Souleimani in my previous posts. These are fine but can be much improved.

In theory everything could always be improved but in practice not every improvement produces an advantage, and some improvements could even prove fatal depending on circumstantial parameters. When the situation warrants the formulation of an asymmetrical doctrine, then cost-effectiveness is a paramount priority.

I'm not dismissing them either, they are just much more easy to find due to short range and slow speed. Turkish subs, that could be anywhere in indian ocean, modern, high tech systems, much greater threat.

Qadirs are there to protect the Persian Gulf. Without access to the Persian Gulf and nearby areas, the enemy's offensive capability will suffer a handicap.

It's a good start I suppose, but I haven't seen any air defence on the Süleymani class. Are we talking about the same system=? You're talking about the 600 ton catamaran right?

Indeed. Please perform the necessary research beforehand. Armament wise the Soleimani class is an air defence vessel first and foremost. It's equipped with multiple VLS launchers for SAM's of different calibers and ranges.

However its purpose in the Persian Gulf and close by portions of the Sea of Oman would mainly be to ensure redundancy because Iran's land based IADS will already be offering a strong umbrella to light attack craft.

They can't wait very long, and two torpedoes aren't enough to sink an aircraft carrier let alone a carrier group. You're outgunned by a WWII Type VIIB. Actually you're outgunned by a Type IIA which is pretty fucking scary. I don't want to be in the shoes of the Iranian Kadir class submarine captain that sees an american carrier group in his periscope. The dread and desperation would be... well let's just say it would be the scariest moment of anyones life.

Their endurance is sufficient considering the area they're supposed to operate at. In the event a large hostile surface fleet were to approach the zone, it'd cross the path of one or more hidden Qadir subs in no time.

Again, side by side comparison of a Qadir and an aircraft carrier is an exercise disconnected from reality because the sub won't be acting alone either, but in concert with a multitude of systems.

Now a single 125t Qadir (Korean original version) showed what it can do to a modern 1200t corvette if properly used. It's therefore a proven system. A fleet of 20 Qadirs can take care of much bigger fish.

At any rate, I'll take the assessment of the professionals I quoted over those of enthusiasts. There's a reason why western analysts and commanders have repeatedly singled out none other than the Qadir as their biggest worry when it comes to Iran's naval fleet.

Imagine that you see an enemy squad with assault rifles, machineguns, AT4s etc. And you have only two bullets in your pistol, and you must attack.

Guerilla warfare works in ways far different from the above quoted analogy. Guerilla forces tend to be underequipped in terms of firepower and technology yet they've been victorious in numerous instances including against the USA military itself. And naval guerilla is what Qadir has been designed for. It proved its worth in the waters surrounding Korea and will do so again should someone proceed to launching an aggression on Iran.

There wasn't military build-up before 9-11 either.

They did not repeat another 9-11 style false flag in 2020. Because they had no plans to enter all out war against Iran.

The build up of forces leading to the invasion of Iraq took months. And that was for the Iraq of 2003, an agonizing state.

They bombed Iraq for a week before launching the ground invasion. How do you suppose Iran would be doing after maybe a month of heavy bombardment?

This topic has been discussed exhaustively over the years in the forum. One may find those discussion through the search function. So it's advisable to keep it short, Iran has an elaborate A2/AD capability the likes of which Iraq was sorely lacking in 1990 let alone in 2003. Simply put, the enemy wouldn't be bombarding Iran for a months: its offensive arm would get struck right away.

But you're switching narratives. First you claimed the USA regime intended to wage war on Iran in 2020 but couldn't do so absent a 9-11 style pretext. So, why didn't they stage one? Let's not suggest they were hoping for Iran to kill USA civilians in the thousands, because such actions have nothing to do with Iran's modus operandi, a fact that's far from being lost on Washington.

Now you've shifted to speculating about the outcome of US air strikes on Iran, failing to address the underlying question: if the Americans would like to attack Iran, why haven't they done so to this day? The answer is, because they know it'd come at an unbearable cost.

No need therefore to tergiversate on how such a conflict would unfold. If they thought they could do it, they'd have done it. You suggested as much by opining that Washington was seeking to trigger a war in 2020. Something ended up deterring them like in the past.

Ballistic missiles aren't enough. Iran needs means to be effective in the indian ocean. More Kilo submarines are required.

No. Apart from non-milirary factors, it's Iran's massive arsenals of sophisticated, survivable BM's, CM's, drones and the IADS, as well as Iran's network of regional allies which have given the Yanks second thoughts about military adventurism against the Islamic Republic. Fifty Kilo submarines and five hundred Su-35's wouldn't come anywhere close to these priceless assets.

Iran is alienating Azerbaijan

It's been the opposite but if you wish to discuss Iran-Azarbaijan relations please do so in a relevant thread. This entire discussion is off topic onto itself and is starting to get repetitive.
 
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It's been the opposite but f you want to discuss Iran-Azarbaijan relations please do so in a relevant thread. This entire discussion is off topic onto itself and is starting to get repetitive.
The whole discussion came from the supposed 25 billion USD defense budget and where it's being spent. Alhough it's been informitive, I agree that it's getting a bit repetitive.

I think we understand each other's positions. We can agree to disagree
 
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And yet, what a miserable track record of the Rowhani administration (August 3, 2013 - August 3, 2021).
The Iranian economy has shrunk drastically since Rouhani became president, and the nuclear agreement (2015-2018) has been meaningless.
Iran has repeatedly made concessions to the West, only to lose its rights, and sanctions have been tightened.
The economy, which was not much different from Turkey's before he became president, is now overwhelmingly different.
Now that Raisi is president, there are finally some signs of a slight upturn.

However, this was essentially a golden period when the U.S. was too busy getting bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan and invading Syria and Libya one after another to have time to attack Iran.
Rouhani eight years of wasting it and continuing to retreat are regrettable, and Iran must not be fooled again.
 
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تمامی اتباع خارجی دارای کارت آمایش و برگه تردد می‌‎توانند از مزایای بیمه سلامت بهره‌مند شوند​


All foreign workers and their family members with legal documents (work permit and their visa I think ) in Iran can use services of domestic insurance companies.



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I think proper way to do it would be like airports, we should do it in a package way when someone is requesting for working , immigration , tourism or ... visa/permit.then from embassy or consulate offices we can guide people to office of different insurances or their websites to get the type of services which is availiable for them based on their needs.

Please before choosing one insurance (if you want to use this) check their hospitals and medical coverage (like types of disease which they cover and .. ) of that insurance.

@Hack-Hook
You guys are busy or not ? :)
 
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And yet, what a miserable track record of the Rowhani administration (August 3, 2013 - August 3, 2021).
The Iranian economy has shrunk drastically since Rouhani became president, and the nuclear agreement (2015-2018) has been meaningless.
Iran has repeatedly made concessions to the West, only to lose its rights, and sanctions have been tightened.
The economy, which was not much different from Turkey's before he became president, is now overwhelmingly different.
Now that Raisi is president, there are finally some signs of a slight upturn.

However, this was essentially a golden period when the U.S. was too busy getting bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan and invading Syria and Libya one after another to have time to attack Iran.
Rouhani eight years of wasting it and continuing to retreat are regrettable, and Iran must not be fooled again.
I think the time Rowhani was in charge made China think twice about investing into Iran. Thinking Iran would sign a JCPOA and do a pivot to the west making Chinese investment risky and worthless since the Euro's would fill the gap. 8 years of lost time I guess. During this phase a max pressure campaign was launched to destroy the economy with no interest from the east since their was always a risk Iran would economically mingle with the west and take their contracts instead. Economy gets crushed. Seems like the only way out is to either fully capitulate and die, or fully pivot to the east and never sign any deal. On one hand it should provide alot of dividends for Iran, on the other it does give China alot of influence & control on the countries economical health.

I think one of the primary reasons China is avoiding doing heavy investments in Iran is because of the potential for JCPOA 2.0, and they would rather see it dead before they start investing.
 
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مدیرعامل گروه خودروسازی بهمن​

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CEO of Bahman (another car producer company) :

"If economy of this country is (based on) socialism,(just) tell it !"





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According to parliament, from next Iranian year ( in 10 days ) there would be no legal barrier for ministery of defense to enter car making arena :)

It would be up to them to do it or not.
 
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