what a load of crap. it's good you laughed, cause I don't know how much I should cry for your level of brain washing.
I asked a simple question and you deliberately ignored it, why we can't find any of these scientists from before Islam?
If Abu-Ali-Sina was copying western books, if he was repeating western Ideas, if he was rebranding the western medicine, then why west didn't have thousands of Sina themselves? why they were teaching his books in their medical universities up to one century ago?
when we use the term Iranian Islamic medicine we refer to our traditional medicine which is a mixture of Iranian med and Islamic med. first of all the origin of Humorism is middle east and not west, secondly it was the medicine which was accepted by Muslim scholars and that's just one of the reasons we call it
Islamic medicine, thirdly Islam and Muslims wont reject the right things, so by saying it was being used by infidels you just showed the level of your biased thinking.
and about Iron being toxic, well unlike what west is offering (Iron pills with dozen of side effect diseases) we don't plan to eat it and the last time I checked our ladle (حسوم) was intact!
I don't need western biased scientists to tell me about what is poisonous and what is not. Iranian were using copper pots and Iron ladles for centuries and their life was much longer and healthier than people today who use
Aluminum pots. I can see its effect among children and young and old people. it's like Alzheimer has become the inevitable part of our life. talked about toxics, it's good to mention two more of them, chlorine in our water and Carbon dioxide in the rest of drinks, all thanks to western science of medicine!
You are a hooligan. You are incapable of stopping and critically thinking for even one second.
The reason you had no thinkers like Aristotle even before coming of Islam to Iran, is very simple. Because you were backward then as you are now. Islam or no Islam you have had no contribution to the world you are surrounded by. Get this into your head.
West has had many Sinas and way better than Sinas. Sina could not bring himself to cross the red lines. At the end he wrote that despite his reason and logic telling him to denounce the traditional interpretation of religion and Quran, he can not bring himself to do so, out of his "obligation" to the Prophet.
West produced likes of whom Sina could not even imagine of. Sina used to read Aristotle and got stuck with Aristotlean philosophy for the rest of his life. West surpassed Aristotle and moved onto more sophisticated philosophies.
Yes, West did study Sina. They still do. Just like the archaeologists studying artifacts. Not more or less than that. The epiphany here being that, you yourself have never studied Sina to understand the fact that he was never a Muslim in the sense that you regard someone a Muslim. He was a gharb-zadeh back then.
You do not know what the hell you are talking about. You do not know what aluminium and copper are, let alone their interaction with body. You are an ignorant person who is also ignorant about his own ignorance.
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Every time I see your name, I expect to read stupid words from a guy that has serious psychological condition... Disappointing words of a very depressed guy who could not handle the volume of info that he faced... Stop it... When we say X, Daneshmand says... there is a Russian scientist...we are backward...we are bad... the west is good... We say Y he says X+Y = Russian scientist we are bad and they are good!!!
You are making us sick by such statements... You might seem like an informed guy but the truth is that you are like a spiritual Mystic man who when he climbs up the ladder of Erfan, in the exact step that he supposed to fly he falls...and falls hard...
If you ask me, I should say we have only two backward mindsets in Iran and these two only are slowing Iranian progress:
1- Guys who are extremest... Super-Hizbullahi or Super-Gherti...both arer backward
2- Guys like you...
You have a psychology trauma inside you and need to visit a doctor as soon as possible. Your mindset is the exact reason why Iran is at where it is now..
There are two types... Those who are gagools and don't care about progress, fundamental change and so on...and ones that think they know a lot and they are different... The ones that are so much solved by Western bs that can not even tolerate themselves!!
The mindset to be a pioneer nation was shifted between West and East many times... Once Chinese had this mindset...once Iranians had it and once West have it... History of human civilization is a witness to tens of historical shifts in all aspects of power... be it military or scientific or the mindset itself...
Iran was in a hibernation for few centuries and now she is waking up again... This wake is not sudden... It is not like you wake up tomorrow and see that all Iranian youngsters and government are after a scientific mindset... It forms and get corrected slowly...
I personally know lots of young and middle age guys and girls around me in Iran that have a very transformed mindset and are all active to make a difference somehow...
you won't remember but I Can testify that easily.. I remember days when young active smart guys who were interested in science and tech used to go after initiating factories to build, the already invented and designed home heaters, plastic injection, green houses, industrial bread, etc... These days I hear from youngsters that they have plans to go fix a big technological problem... or to start an start up to invent X or Y in the field that they have studied...
I have a friend who has 5 big boys... 2 of them are award winning engineers in heavy industry sector... 1 registered an invention with regard to industrial scale cooling systems and now have a factory producing that sys... 1 has a start up in a Science and tech park working on a new invention with regards to heavy duty industrial glues... I can see many of these young pioneers around me.. and I am not an uptown rich bastard... I have friends from all layers of society...
I testify that there is a big change going on... though it needs more time to perfect itself... Most of the job is done by private sector and incompetent governments has nothing to do with them...
I also am with your assumption
@Madali that new generation Hizbullahi (religious) guys are more into self-confidence and invention and science... One of the reasons could be their following of the recommendations of the leader in regard with science and tech and progress... One other reason could be that they are less busy with western stuff pleasure and more busy with serious stuff...
So, only 2 types of people are backward and backlog Iranian progress:
1- Super-Gherti + Super Hizbullahis
2- Guys like you who pour water on fire .. the fire of progress... Guys like you that are innocent... you just need a doctor to fix you... then the progress will continue faster...
I expect you to understand why you are a parasite to the society and progress of Iran... You are smart... Think over it and keep silent for a while...
I don't expect an answer to this post.. I'm busy and don't want to waste my time anymore... Just wanted to share what I see... so, No response is necessary...
Goos luck
Your impotency at writing a logical argument, rather than attacking my person is all too evident. But then hypocrite liars are such.
That chasb will not save you. As they say, grab it and stick it up yours. That chasb is going only to be good to shut people like you up. Pathetic. And it is not only science and technology that you are behind in. It is EVERYTHING. From science to arts to music to novels.
Meanwhile if morons had any sense, they would at the very least should listen to what the leader is saying. He is saying go and read French and Russian novels. Why he is not recommending you to read Iranian novels? Because there is none worthy of reading. It is the leader who is saying Russians and French are better than Iranians:
It is not only me who is saying that you are backward and moronic. It is the leader who is saying it. Now go and tell the leader that he is in your words a "stupid" who has "fallen the ladder of erfan". Go tell him these. See how long you will last on streets.
Here you go. Read carefully what Iran's leader is saying:
This is what he is saying about Russians and French on his own website nonetheless:
http://english.khamenei.ir/news/380...an-novels-portray-life-artistically-Ayatollah
"A few years ago, I read a great French novel entitled “The Thibaults” (Les Thibault in French) by Roger Martin. Great novels from France, Russia and other countries, where eminent novels have been written, depict realities of life.
If you read novels by Honoré de Balzac, Victor Hugo or Russian authors, you will find that they’ve artistically depicted the social realities of their time; the same can be said for “The Thibault”.
The book reveals how leftist and socialist groups in France, Germany, Austria and Switzerland tried hard to prevent WWI, once they felt they were on the brink of war. They failed and all their efforts were in vain. They were hoping to establish a socialist government. Eventually, a socialist government came into power in Tsarist Russia and that became another failed experience for the western movement.
The Soviet’s experience was also a western experience; it was not an oriental one. It is true that they called them the east block and the west block, but that front belonged to Europe. It emerged from European as well as Marxist and Engle’s thoughts; it was another failure."
Listen to the tone. He is all praise for Russian and French writers. In fact if you put these words on any billboard in a Western city, without mentioning the name of the leader, all assumption would be that these words were written by a super liberal leftist activist living in downtown of a major western cosmopolis.
Now read what he is saying about you:
http://farsi.khamenei.ir/speech-content?id=3074
هنر از ثروتهایی نیست که یکسره با کدّ یمین و عرق جبین به دست آمده باشد. تا قریحه و استعداد هنری در شما نباشد، هر قدر هم که زحمت بکشید، باز همچنان در آن خَم اوّل باقی خواهید ماند. آن قریحه، کار و دستاورد شما نیست؛ آن را به شما دادهاند.
در واقع هنر یک موهبت الهی و یک حقیقت بسیار فاخر است. به طور طبیعی کسی که این موهبت از سوی پروردگار - مثل همه ثروتهای دیگر - به او داده شده است، باید بار مسؤولیتی را هم برای خودش قائل باشد؛ یعنی دادههای خدا همراه با انجام تکلیفهاست. این تکلیفها لزوماً همه دینی و شرعی نیست؛ تکلیفهایی است که بسیاری از آنها از دل انسان بر میخیزد.
هنر انقلابی که ما از اوّل انقلاب همینطور گفتیم و آن را درخواست کردیم، این است. آیا این توقّعِ زیادی است؟ موسیقی و فیلم و تئاتر و نقاشی و سایر رشتههای هنرىِ شما باید به این مقوله بپردازد؛ اینها چیزهای لازمی است. توقّعِ انقلاب از هنر و هنرمند، یک توقّعِ زورگویانه و زیادهخواهانه نیست؛ بل مبتنی بر همان مبانی زیباشناختی هنر است. هنر آن است که زیباییها را درک کند. این زیباییها لزوماً گل و بلبل نیست؛ گاهی اوقات، انداختن یک نفر در آتش و تحمّل آن، زیباتر از هر گل و بلبلی است. هنرمند باید این را ببیند، درک کند و آن را با زبان هنر تبیین نماید.
من شنیدهام که در قضایای جنگ جهانی در روسیه، شورِ علیاف - آهنگ معروفی است که البته من نه آهنگش را شنیدهام، نه درست میدانم چیست؛ آقایان میدانند - در تهییج مردم برای وارد شدن به میدان جنگ، بیشترین تأثیر را داشت؛ یعنی در خدمت اهداف مردمی قرار گرفت. به طور طبیعی این توقّع از هنرمندِ هر کشوری وجود دارد؛ بنابراین چطور میتواند نسبت به این قضیه بیتفاوت بماند؛ در حالی که دشمن از ابزار هنر استفاده میکند؟
He is saying you have failed to be like Russians, French or West.
That you have failed miserably. In the mission that was expected of you.
Go figure that. And next time, tell the leader in your own words to "shut up" and put up with this backward nation incapable of producing any science, technology, music and great novels.
Where are these guys I missed them :
@Serpentine @haman10 @Daneshmand and .....
I am here. Just don't have time to come regularly. Just once in a while. Thanks for your kindness.
