Iranian Chill Thread

[aryobarzan]

Iran's largest tribe "Bakhtiaris" in their annual migration to northern plains...Aryan tribes who have kept their Persian language dialect "Lur" and way of life for thousands of years.

 

[HGV]

Iran has totally capitulated to the US on its nuclear program and dramatically reduced the (already extremely slow) pace of enrichment of uranium to 60%, and even removed some of its existing stockpile of 60% uranium! A total act of treason.

Look how happy the Zionists are.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1690054173314686985

https://twitter.com/x/status/1690068327358443520

https://twitter.com/x/status/1690068335193432065

https://twitter.com/x/status/1690068344328642560

https://twitter.com/x/status/1690079592608858112

 

[TheImmortal]

Iran has totally capitulated to the US on its nuclear program and dramatically reduced the (already extremely slow) pace of enrichment of uranium to 60%, and even removed some of its existing stockpile of 60% uranium! A total act of treason.

Look how happy the Zionists are.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1690054173314686985

https://twitter.com/x/status/1690068327358443520

https://twitter.com/x/status/1690068335193432065

https://twitter.com/x/status/1690068344328642560

https://twitter.com/x/status/1690079592608858112

If true goes to show it doesn’t matter if Rouhani (liberal) or Raisi (conservative) is in the executive branch.

Iran’s deep state will make whatever decision they feel is best.

Let’s see how this plays out.

 

[aryobarzan]

If the nuclear concessions are indeed facts..it will also explain the Iranian space program sudden halt...this will also indicate the fear of the IR from telling the truth to the people..

A hard sell of the deal is evident in Iranian newspapers related to the government..food and medicine for Oil may be much more than what is announced..

 

[Blue In Green]

If the nuclear concessions are indeed facts..it will also explain the Iranian space program sudden halt...this will also indicate the fear of the IR from telling the truth to the people..

A hard sell of the deal is evident in Iranian newspapers related to the government..food and medicine for Oil may be much more than what is announced..

I’m out of the loop.

What’s all the recent news about?

 

[aryobarzan]

I’m out of the loop.

What’s all the recent news about?

There are conflicting reports on what Iran received (restrictions on what is allwed to be spent for the 6 billion dollars ) and what other concessions Iran had to make for this informal deal...what mullahs say and what is being reported do not correspond..what is the truth!..did Iran capitulate..

 

[tsunset]

Once again, same people falling into the same trap.

WSJ article: https://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-s...iched-uranium-492df473?mod=world_major_2_pos1

According to the people, Iran has diluted a small amount of 60% enriched uranium in recent weeks and slowed the rate at which it is accumulating new material. Iran’s stockpile has grown since the 114 kilograms of highly enriched uranium Iran was recorded having in May, but it could easily dilute more of the 60% it has produced to get back to that level. It isn’t yet clear if Tehran plans to do that.

Which people? WSJ special spies inside Iran? Anonymous person working in the nuclear power plant again? Only WSJ knows. The "news" has not been relayed on any international press agencies beside zionist blogs. nothing in Iranian press neither.

Quick search on google:

No press agency citing Iranian government shows up, only cheap zionist and Saudi outlets which are known for relaying countless of other outlet "anonymous sources" and fearmongering fakes in hope to target Iran psychologically. Neither even TheGuardian, Reuters, AFP or even CNN relayed this

Every single of these outlets only mentions the WSJ, WSJ that itself doesn't mention any Iranian source but once again cites no source.

And once again, everyone is already nearly taking it as a fact and an official Iran announcement, you people denounce foreign propaganda, but jump straight inside the trap.

 

[TheImmortal]

Once again, same people falling into the same trap.

WSJ article: https://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-s...iched-uranium-492df473?mod=world_major_2_pos1


Which people? WSJ special spies inside Iran? Anonymous person working in the nuclear power plant again? Only WSJ knows. The "news" has not been relayed on any international press agencies beside zionist blogs. nothing in Iranian press neither.

Quick search on google:

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No press agency citing Iranian government shows up, only cheap zionist and Saudi outlets which are known for relaying countless of other outlet "anonymous sources" and fearmongering fakes in hope to target Iran psychologically. Neither even TheGuardian, Reuters, AFP or even CNN relayed this

Every single of these outlets only mentions the WSJ, WSJ that itself doesn't mention any Iranian source but once again cites no source.

And once again, everyone is already nearly taking it as a fact and an official Iran announcement, you people denounce foreign propaganda, but jump straight inside the trap.

It doesn’t matter if they did or didn’t. The 60% card has already been played and lost its usefulness.Also western media likes to over dramatize the enrichment rate.

Iran could be enriching at 90% and it means next to nothing if they haven’t mastered a bomb design, assemble the components, build the uranium metal core, etc etc.

If tomorrow Iran decided to build the bomb and magically already had 90% enrichment stockpile. It would still take 4-8 months to assemble it. Some of you think it would happen overnight. Iran only just recently built uranium metal a major component needed for the core to start the chain reaction process.

So this enrichment lie is the greatest achievement western propaganda did. Make you guys think enrichment level = bomb ready. they knew damn well it would still take Iran months to assemble the bomb.

Hence why after every enrichment escalation the west screamed a little bit then didn’t care. Iran knew this as well. It got handcuffed into the enrichment propaganda trap with no easy way out when it came to leverage building measures.

Look at Arak, Iran gave away its plutonium leverage route for PEANUTS. The west couldn’t believe it. It was their most important objective during the negotiations. Could have built 3-4 bombs a year from the reprocessed fuel.

Now Almost 10 years+ after JCPOA and we still don’t have a running facility or a “redesigned” core.

 

[aryobarzan]

Two days after saying there are no restrictions on the $6 billion dollars freed up money IR officials changed the story!!... here are some facts about it as per Iran's central bank chief:

1- Money can be used for none sanctioned purchases only (e.g. food and medicine),

2- NO interest was paid (e.g. roughly $1.5 billion interest for 7 billion locked up for 5 to 10 years was not paid..low ball estimate most likely higher!)

3- Principal capital of $7 billion is reduced to $ 6 billion due to Korean currency depreciation.

all and all Iran lost around $2.5 billion dollars and can only buy food and medicine with our own money!!!

Mullahs call this a "Great deal"..you be the judge of that.
PS: I am assuming they did not give up anything else in nuclear or space program but I know that is wishful thinking!

به گزارش خبرگزاری فارس،‌ محمدرضا فرزین، رئیس کل بانک مرکزی در صفحه مجازی خود نوشت: تمام منابع ارزی توقیف شده ایران در کره جنوبی آزاد شد و این منابع به صورت پرداخت بانکی جهت خرید کالاهای غیرتحریمی استفاده می‌شود.

به تیم دیپلماسی ارزی به دلیل موفقیت در آزادسازی منابع ارزی توقیف شده تبریک می‌گویم. بدون تردید آنچه بدست آمده فراتر از تحلیل‌های موجود است و البته که این فرآیند، ادامه خواهد داشت.

لازم به تاکید است که متاسفانه نزدیک به 7 میلیارد دلار از منابع ارزی کشورمان طی سال‌های پایانی دهه 90 بصورت وون (واحد پول ملی کره جنوبی) به بانک‌های کره جنوبی واریز شده بود و به آن هم، هیچ سودی تعلق نمی‌گرفت. حتی در طی این سال‌ها نیز به دلیل کاهش برابری وون به دلار، نزدیک به یک میلیارد دلار آن با کاهش ارزش برابری مواجه شد.

اما با پیگیری‌های فنی و دیپلماسی موفق، تمام منابع ارزی توقیف شده ایران در کره جنوبی آزاد و هزینه‌های تبدیل ارز آن از وون به یورو نیز توسط کشور ثالت پذیرفته شد.

بر همین اساس، به‌زودی تمامی این منابع یورویی به حساب‌های 6 بانک ایرانی در قطر واریز و به‌صورت پرداخت بانکی جهت خرید کالاهای غیرتحریمی استفاده می‌شود. مابقی این منابع هم در صورت سپرده، مشمول دریافت سود بانکی خواهد شد.

لازم به تاکید است منابع ارزی ایران در چند کشور دیگر نیز بزودی در دسترس قرار می‌گیرد که اخبار و آثار آن در بازار و مبادلات تجاری مشاهد خواهد شد.

 

[Blue In Green]

The decision to go fully nuclear should have been made in earnest long ago. Whatever this game is that Iran tries to play isn’t working out. Costs are too high, hard work and time has been literally destroyed for meager concessions and the deal is dead.

That’s all I’ll say on the matter.

 

[tsunset]

It doesn’t matter if they did or didn’t. The 60% card has already been played and lost its usefulness.Also western media likes to over dramatize the enrichment rate.

Iran could be enriching at 90% and it means next to nothing if they haven’t mastered a bomb design, assemble the components, build the uranium metal core, etc etc.

If tomorrow Iran decided to build the bomb and magically already had 90% enrichment stockpile. It would still take 4-8 months to assemble it. Some of you think it would happen overnight. Iran only just recently built uranium metal a major component needed for the core to start the chain reaction process.

So this enrichment lie is the greatest achievement western propaganda did. Make you guys think enrichment level = bomb ready. they knew damn well it would still take Iran months to assemble the bomb.

Hence why after every enrichment escalation the west screamed a little bit then didn’t care. Iran knew this as well. It got handcuffed into the enrichment propaganda trap with no easy way out when it came to leverage building measures.

Look at Arak, Iran gave away its plutonium leverage route for PEANUTS. The west couldn’t believe it. It was their most important objective during the negotiations. Could have built 3-4 bombs a year from the reprocessed fuel.

Now Almost 10 years+ after JCPOA and we still don’t have a running facility or a “redesigned” core.

Both claims counts as propaganda victory

If Iran lowered or stopped enrichment = "Look, Iran is bowing down to the US"

If Iran keeps or even enrich to 90-100% = "Iran is a massive threat more sanctions bomb them the international community must act"

Putting nuclear device, JCPOA 1, Arak, Rohani, there it is aimed at discrediting the current administration and sow discord between people and politics

Everyone with little knowledge of the subject knows that enriched uranium whether at 60 or military grade will not turn itself to nukes by some magic, enrichment is the main propaganda narrative for 40yrs and it serves them for a lot of purpose, fearmongering, discrediting, sanctionning even if Iran has legally the right to enrich trillions of tons to 100% purity uranium

Thus why the WSJ very probable unfounded false claims, the current administration is supposedly bowing down to the US while right now nothing is officialy happening. This is not the first time they did that

The barandaz is already comparing that to oil for food program when literally NOTHING is officialy announced to show how much people are credule, first one to denounce foreign propaganda but also first ones of immediately buying it

 

[TheImmortal]

Both claims counts as propaganda victory

If Iran lowered or stopped enrichment = "Look, Iran is bowing down to the US"

If Iran keeps or even enrich to 90-100% = "Iran is a massive threat more sanctions bomb them the international community must act"

Putting nuclear device, JCPOA 1, Arak, Rohani, there it is aimed at discrediting the current administration and sow discord between people and politics

Everyone with little knowledge of the subject knows that enriched uranium whether at 60 or military grade will not turn itself to nukes by some magic, enrichment is the main propaganda narrative for 40yrs and it serves them for a lot of purpose, fearmongering, discrediting, sanctionning even if Iran has legally the right to enrich trillions of tons to 100% purity uranium

Thus why the WSJ very probable unfounded false claims, the current administration is supposedly bowing down to the US while right now nothing is officialy happening. This is not the first time they did that

The barandaz is already comparing that to oil for food program when literally NOTHING is officialy announced to show how much people are credule, first one to denounce foreign propaganda but also first ones of immediately buying it

Blaming Rouhani for Arak is being naive:

The deep state of Iran agreed to giving up Arak. Western negotiatiors were shocked. Everyone was shocked. They (enemies of Iran) couldn’t hide their happiness. Giving up Arak was the single biggest mistake made in the history of Iranian foreign policy in its existence. It was a permanent reversal for in exchange for something temporary.

Iran soon realized that. Then Salehi (a traitor) had to come out so typical Irani bazi and say “oh we never destroyed (poured concrete) into the core we told them we did it’s still somewhere safe”.

Typical BS. Iran lost a major source of revenue (heavy water) and leverage (plutonium path for several bombs a year) that is a much quicker path to the bomb than a uranium enrichment path.

Arak was the #1 target for Western negotiations and Iran gave it up for NEXT TO NOTHING. Arak was worth its weight in gold. That’s how important it was. If you understand nuclear process and have even a bazari level of geopolitical knowledge than you would know what a massive mistake that was.

So forget the Iranian nuclear program at this point. It’s a Turkish soap opera. Drama and plot twists yet zero substance.

Meanwhile rial continues its plummet to the earth’s core.

 

[TheImmortal]

The decision to go fully nuclear should have been made in earnest long ago. Whatever this game is that Iran tries to play isn’t working out. Costs are too high, hard work and time has been literally destroyed for meager concessions and the deal is dead.

That’s all I’ll say on the matter.

Women are walking around streets of Tehran in crop tops. Swimming pools are popping up co-Ed. Gyms are popping up co-Ed. The hijab is no longer followed in many cities. US destroyed Iranian fabric of society without firing a single bullet. Ironically under Raisi, social freedom is now the biggest it has EVER been. Even Khatami couldn’t dream of such a day.

IRGC that cared enough to restore order were shot down by Iranian government leadership. IRGC elements now that are in favor with deep state are those that don’t care about hijab or this other stuff. I can tell you there are IRGC mid and upper command that have alcohol in their homes and quite frankly don’t give a damn about enforcing these rules anymore at the cost of further instability. You cant drag the population along to be religious. It has to come from within.

People now openly complain to the city, if the morning call to Prayer is too loud and affecting their sleep. That’s the society today. Iran is the least religious it has been in the entirety of the republic. That doesn’t mean there aren’t religious people. There are religious in every society. But even Qom has turned its back on the role of clergy in the state.

The shah tried to do the opposite (force people to be secular) and it blew up in his face. This government tried the opposite and it worked while economic conditions were improving and social freedoms slowing relaxing (Khatami era, Ahmadinejad era, Rouhani era). But once sanctions fully took hold and all that growth stopped —Everything went out the window in (some) people’s minds.

Also this new generation does not care about consequences of insubordination. What is government going to do? Murder every child and teenager? Imprison all of them? People no longer fear the heavy hand of government.

This is direct result of sanctions. Once people lose their livihood on top of social freedoms being pushed to a breaking point, then they reach a point where they just don’t care. Death at that point is better than living under authority for many of these rioters and insubordinate citizens. You can’t kill your way out of an instability without risking civil war.

Look at China - it had riots over draconian COVID restrictions and quickly reversed its position. This would have been unheard of 20 years ago. They would have slaughtered anyone that went against the State.

It’s a different era. Color revolutions are the speciality of the West. Axis Governments have to be careful, Western propaganda machine can make every riot look like the Jewish Holocaust in people’s minds.

 

[glablo]

Now that NATO is stuck in the war in Ukraine, this would have been the greatest opportunity to act freely.
Nevertheless, this completely one-sided concession is completely incomprehensible.
The U.S. will be happy about this, and when the war in Ukraine is over, it will start invading Iran as a thank you.

 

[GWXP]

If Iran wants to build nuclear weapons, it is better to cross the red line in 2030 rather than in 2023 for several reasons:

1) Iran doesnt have ICBM in 2023. But in 2025 Qaem-110 might be tested and it might be like light Midgetman ICBM and then it will be flight tested for another 3 years until 2028 to check its reliability and between 2028 and 2030 4-6 such light ICBMs with ability to deliver 4-6 nuclear warheads can be deployed. Also in 2026 Qaem-120 might be tested and it might be like Minuteman III ICBM and then it will be flight tested for another 3 years until 2029 to check its reliability and between 2029-2030 2 such ICBMs with ability to deliver 6 nuclear warheads can be deployed. Also Sarir, if it is solid fuel rocket, it will be in the class of Peacekeeper ICBM that can deliver 11 nuclear warheads - Iran can have 1 such ICBM by 2030 after multiple flight tests between 2026-2029. So while Iran doesn't have ICBM in 2023 and it doesn't make any sense to produce nuclear weapons when you don't have an ICBM, by 2030 Iran can potentially deploy minimum 9 ICBMs that can deliver 33 nuclear warheads to US.....so it is better to cross the red line when you have developed other aspects of nuclear weapons capability rather then when you don't have any delivery systems.

2) Iran doesn't have efficient uranium enrichment capability in 2023. Its IR-6 centrifuges have many problems and break during the enrichment process and enrichment facilities are large and vulnerable to aerial attack. However by 2030 Iran might have small efficient enrichment facilities with IR-9 centrifuges which are 50 times more efficient compared to IR-1.

3) Iran has limited ability to produce plutonium in 2023. However by 2030 there will be Bushehr-1, Bushehr-2, Bushehr-3 and Darkhovin nuclear powerplants that can produce large amount of plutonium in short period of time. German BND estimates that if operated differently Bushehr nuclear powerplant can produce enough plutonium for 30 nuclear warheads. So by 2030 nuclear powerplants of Iran will be able to produce enough plutonium for 100 nuclear warheads each year. You don't have such capability in 2023

4) Iran has limited military capability in 2023. However by 2030 3rd Khordad, 15 Khordad, Bavar 373 will be 15-20 years in production and Iran will accumulate large number of AD systems for building multilayered AD network. Also between 2023-2030 Iran can accumulate hundreds of new cruise missiles, hundreds of anti-ship missiles including supersonic anti-ship missiles, hundreds of hypersonic missiles, double its ballistic missile arsenal with better missiles and accumulate tens of thousands of cheap suicide drones and thousand drones......so you better cross the red line when you have accumulated huge arsenal of new weapons with multilayered AD network and thousands of new cruise, ballistic, anti-ship missiles and drones rather then when you have smaller military capability and can be vulnerable to preemptive strike.

5) Building nuclear bomb in a semi-unipolar world is not a good idea. While we are moving away from the unipolar world, at this moment US is still very influential and can isolate Iran even further and do more economic damage....But by 2030 we will be living in a polarized world where the West will be less influential and will be seriously challenged by Russia/China....So it might be better to cross the red line when there will be a new reality and new international order, rather than in this semi-unipolar world we are living today.

6) Iran can be more influential by 2030 compared to 2023. While Iran is influential in Iraq/Syria/Yemen/Lebanon its influence in these countries is not absolute at this moment....However by 2030 Iran can deepen its influence in these countries and this will make Iran stronger.

So it is better to go nuclear in 2030 when you will have multiple reliable ICBMs, efficient uranium enrichment infrastructure, strong ability to produce plutonium, much stronger military capability, deep sphere of influence and no longer live in a unipolar world where you can become a pariah, rather than in 2023 when you don't have ICBMs, no efficient uranium enrichment infrastructure, little ability to produce plutonium, weaker military capability, no absolute influence in the region and live in the semi-unipolar world where you can be isolated from global trade.

So why not make a temporal deal with US that can unfreeze billions of dollars and allow Iran to sell its oil at market price while giving Iran time to develop all other aspects of power?