Iranian Chill Thread

[Ich]

and an other good news

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644089975556780032

 

[tsunset]

You mean Palestinians and Lebanese are the bravest, since they are the ones actually firing rockets into Israel (from their own territory). You are, quite disgustingly, taking credit for that (in a pathetic attempt to disguise the IRI's lack of ability/will to respond directly in a suitable manner to acts of aggression that kill its people).


Apparently they are not getting the message, since they are growing bolder with their more frequent attacks, not the opposite.


If a state lacks depth and must maintain an image of invincibility (an old trope), then it should be more cautious, not less. The reality is more simple: it is stronger and more willing to attack than its enemies, and has levers to pull that its enemies do not.


Iranian lives are not pawns in your geopolitical games. If Iran cannot retaliate against acts of aggression that kill its people without sacrificing its gains then one has to question the strength of these gains.

Using America as an example to show how your/IRI's view of Iranian lives is not warped was a very stupid idea. I would rather not elaborate, it doesn't make for pleasant reading.

Despite the endless debate, what do you expect Iran to do? Cross Israel's airspace with some Su-24 and F-5 bomb trucks and carpet bomb Tel Aviv or send 10 massive IRBMs with 2tons of payload each on Dimona plant?

Israel got the advantage for striking Syria since they don't even need to cross the airspace to drop bombs, or just send missiles, Iranian advisors are there, Israelis are hiding behind proxies and paid spies in Iraq and Syria, the maximum Iran could do to retaliate proportionately would be to intercept a Zionist soldier while he is out of Israel or attach him in a basement and hang him, or to find Israeli assets (not proxies but Israelis on the field) in the region and purify them

Not long ago Iran led missile strikes on an alleged Mossad basement in Iraq, again same for Israel, no one is sure of who died or not since so much propaganda is going on from every side

Any other options such as leading a strike directly inside Zionist land by Iran and acknowledged directly by Iran would led to an absolutely useless, not needed at all escalation with the recent peace deals and stabilization of the region

I remind you that the main fuel that keep Israel there is war, if war stops, Israel's time is counted, anything that would lead Iran to peace is a massive threat to Israel, they need Iran sanctionned and they need to provoke Iranian response and label them as "attacks", same for Palestine/Lebanon

 

[HGV]

Despite the endless debate, what do you expect Iran to do? Cross Israel's airspace with some Su-24 and F-5 bomb trucks and carpet bomb Tel Aviv or send 10 massive IRBMs with 2tons of payload each on Dimona plant?

No, if you read the full conversation you will see that I said Iran is incapable of responding in kind. My issue is with the lies about phantom Iranian acts of retaliation that certain Iranian generals insult our intelligence with.

 

[SalarHaqq]

You mean Palestinians and Lebanese are the bravest, since they are the ones actually firing rockets into Israel (from their own territory). You are, quite disgustingly, taking credit for that (in a pathetic attempt to disguise the IRI's lack of ability/will to respond directly in a suitable manner to acts of aggression that kill its people).

That's a pretty unnecessary exclamation now isn't it. Iran's the one empowering, arming, training, funding both the Palestinian and the Lebanese Resistance. It's Iran which makes them capable of such feats. This makes Iran the paramount adversary in the eyes of both the zionists and the US empire, and Iran the only state actor on earth brave enough to engage in such a policy.

Policy which already cost Iran upwards of 210.000 martyrs during the Sacred Defence alone, the world's most stringent sanctions regime and so on. So to be sure, Iran's not one to be deterred by cost as long as it's not prohibitive.

Apparently they are not getting the message, since they are growing bolder with their more frequent attacks, not the opposite.

Oh they certainly did, no need to worry. Message being that attacks on Iranian personnel will be met by a response no matter what.

They have not increased the frequency of their attacks on Iranian personnel in a significant manner.

If a state lacks depth and must maintain an image of invincibility (an old trope), then it should be more cautious, not less.

Provided superior resources and therefore a better funded and technologically more advanced military, there will be a tendency to put to use those assets in a disproportionate way during conflicts and armed clashes so as to drive home the point about supposed invincibility.

The reality is more simple: it is stronger and more willing to attack than its enemies, and has levers to pull that its enemies do not.

Which would annul any accusation of cowardice leveled against their adversaries.

Iranian lives are not pawns in your geopolitical games.

Those aren't anyone's subjective games but reality and the way things work in the real world.

If Iran cannot retaliate against acts of aggression that kill its people without sacrificing its gains then one has to question the strength of these gains.

Decidedly mistaken belief. Wars are never fought to achieve favorable kill ratios or the like, but to reach pre-defined political outcomes. This isn't an object of debate but consensual realization ever since von Clausewitz' debunking of Jomini.

The zionist regime's provocations against Iran have been blatant failures insofar as they've stopped short of fulfilling their actual underlying objective, namely to oust (pro-)Iranian forces from the Levant as a prelude to the destabilization of Iran proper. Thus Iran's gains are unquestionable and massive.

Using America as an example to show how your/IRI's view of Iranian lives is not warped was a very stupid idea. I would rather not elaborate, it doesn't make for pleasant reading.

Plenty of examples from a variety of contexts concur to illustrate the point. The example of hundreds of American troops killed in Iraq by Iranian-supplied IED's which Washington failed to retaliate against, will be telling enough to many since the USA is precisely one of those states enjoying much greater amounts of material resources, economic wealth, nominal firepower, and levers to pull.

 

[tsunset]

No, if you read the full conversation you will see that I said Iran is incapable of responding in kind. My issue is with the lies about phantom Iranian acts of retaliation that certain Iranian generals insult our intelligence with.

It may be false or true, but as far as i know, Israel is very secretive on anything that happens inside their land, they rarely acknowledge any losses whether on the battlefield or inside their lands, they always never respond to medias questions, for example when an aircraft crashed in the sea, they immediately closed the area to any journalist not answering questions even though an unknown aircraft just exploded in front of everyone, the only times they acknowledge is when it is too obvious to hide (F-16 shot down)

Meanwhile even if whatever Iran says may be false just to reassure people, it may be also true considering the opacity of Israel in the history, so either Iran is humiliating themselves talking to the air or it is partially true, but i would never trust any words coming from Israeli outlets, there is currently no proof for any pro-Iran "phantom retaliation" neither proofs that nothing happened, it is opaque, they are just speculations without proofs

 

[SalarHaqq]

Despite the endless debate, what do you expect Iran to do? Cross Israel's airspace with some Su-24 and F-5 bomb trucks and carpet bomb Tel Aviv or send 10 massive IRBMs with 2tons of payload each on Dimona plant?

Israel got the advantage for striking Syria since they don't even need to cross the airspace to drop bombs, or just send missiles, Iranian advisors are there, Israelis are hiding behind proxies and paid spies in Iraq and Syria, the maximum Iran could do to retaliate proportionately would be to intercept a Zionist soldier while he is out of Israel or attach him in a basement and hang him, or to find Israeli assets (not proxies but Israelis on the field) in the region and purify them

Not long ago Iran led missile strikes on an alleged Mossad basement in Iraq, again same for Israel, no one is sure of who died or not since so much propaganda is going on from every side

Any other options such as leading a strike directly inside Zionist land by Iran and acknowledged directly by Iran would led to an absolutely useless, not needed at all escalation with the recent peace deals and stabilization of the region

I remind you that the main fuel that keep Israel there is war, if war stops, Israel's time is counted, anything that would lead Iran to peace is a massive threat to Israel, they need Iran sanctionned and they need to provoke Iranian response and label them as "attacks", same for Palestine/Lebanon

The notion that responding in kind is the sole universal yardstick and sine qua non condition by which to define success let alone bravery, is simply a misconception. Those who will insist on this either have imperfect understanding of international affairs or they allow their vision to be blurred by emotional reactions. Otherwise it's quite inconceivable to belabor such a talking point endlessly.

Instances of Iranian retaliation are either plainly visible or can be inferred from an array of circumstantial indicators.

It may be false or true, but as far as i know, Israel is very secretive on anything that happens inside their land, they rarely acknowledge any losses whether on the battlefield or inside their lands, they always never respond to medias questions, for example when an aircraft crashed in the sea, they immediately closed the area to any journalist not answering questions even though an unknown aircraft just exploded in front of everyone, the only times they acknowledge is when it is too obvious to hide (F-16 shot down)

Meanwhile even if whatever Iran says may be false just to reassure people, it may be also true considering the opacity of Israel in the history, so either Iran is humiliating themselves talking to the air or it is partially true, but i would never trust any words coming from Israeli outlets, there is currently no proof for any pro-Iran "phantom retaliation" neither proofs that nothing happened, it is opaque, they are just speculations without proofs

As you correctly reminded here, the zionist regime is practicing strict military censorship and unlike Iran it is known for being traditionally reticent about acknowledging losses - this too is a consequence of the image of "invincibility" it seeks to uphold for propaganda purposes. Therefore, nobody should expect Tel Aviv to come out and declare that they've been the target of a successful covert operation by Iran.

And like you said, it's impossible to conclude with certainty that Iran has not had a hand in any of those suspicious explosions, assassinations etc which occurred in Occupied Palestine or elsewhere in the aftermath of terrorist attacks against Iranian personnel or assets. When it comes to Avi Har-Even, Isra"el"'s veteran rocket scientist for instance, user Hack-Hook is of the firm belief that said individual was indeed eliminated by Iranian intelligence in response to shahid Fakhrizadeh's martyrdom, and I share this view.

Oftentimes, people's preferred interpretation will be informed by their political leanings: those who for whatever reason dislike the Islamic Republic, or non-secular governments in general etc, will tend to view suggestions of Iranian involvement as propaganda. And conversely. Of course, there are those also who can contemplate things beyond their individual political convictions.

 

[Mehdipersian]

Guys, Ive been talking with a friend of mine about the war you fought with the Byzantine Empire between 602-628. There are sources saying that the Slavic tribes from the Balkans helped you attacking Constantinople walls, is there any Iraninan source/article where thats mentioned? Do you know?

I don't find iranian source about this.
Most iranian sources about slavs are after islam in iran.

 

[TheImmortal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1643954142715494400

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644153084665274370

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644089484156325889

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644006808934129664

Iran about to unveil its own iron dome interceptor (if it wants that is).

 

[dani92]

Guys, Ive been talking with a friend of mine about the war you fought with the Byzantine Empire between 602-628. There are sources saying that the Slavic tribes from the Balkans helped you attacking Constantinople walls, is there any Iraninan source/article where thats mentioned? Do you know?

The avars were helped by sassanids.

 

[SalarHaqq]

As reported by Al-Jazeera and the Brookings Institute, Sepah, HezbOllah, Hamas and PIJ have set up a Joint Operations Rooms in Lebanon. The recent retaliatory strike from Lebanon appears to have been coordinated with HezbOllah - which allowed Hamas to use Lebanese territory undetected by the zionists, and thus with Iran.

Zionists seem overburdened and incapable of responding to Iran in the midst of the ongoing clashes, which explains their relative silence about the Islamic Republic today. Impressive chess move by the Resistance and a template for future action.

This should give us an idea as to how the Resistance has encircled the zionist entity and what coordinated defense against any hypothetical major Isra"el"i attack on Resistance members may look like in future.

Read more at the following link: https://www.al-monitor.com/original...ts-hamas-chief-rockets-fly-over-israel-border
As well as pages 5 and 6 of the following report: https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/FP_20221110_hezbollah_dilemmas_byman.pdf

 

[Hack-Hook]

Desperate to link everything to Iran except when they do not think it's in their interest to respond. In that case denial is their usual reaction.

it has nothing to do with Iran , you can't deny it

Nobody can fire this many rockets from south Lebanon without HezbOllah's consent.

how many rocket ? 30 ? that's very much possible, Hezbollah don't control all of south of lebanon

Casualties can't be predicted.

depends

What it shows is that Iran is the single most courageous government on planet earth, since no other than Iran can muster enough bravery and fortitude to fight both the zionists and the Americans.

Zionists won't be oblivious to the party behind the operation, so who pulled the trigger is secondary. The message got through.

nonsense , right now what I see Iran don't retaliate to these escalation in last year . maybe once with different government

It has strictly nothing to do with valuing lives. No rational decision maker will sacrifice geostrategic gains for the sake of avenging individual casualties. As an example, many hundreds of US occupation troops were killed by advanced Iranian-supplied IED's in Iraq, yet not a single one of these dead Americans prompted any retaliatory attack from Washington. Not a single one.

till today USA failed to bring out evidence those IED are planted by Iran request

 

[Hack-Hook]

Despite the endless debate, what do you expect Iran to do? Cross Israel's airspace with some Su-24 and F-5 bomb trucks and carpet bomb Tel Aviv or send 10 massive IRBMs with 2tons of payload each on Dimona plant?

retaliate against Israeli targets in Syria as they target our forces in Syria , that will be a proportionate response.

Israel got the advantage for striking Syria since they don't even need to cross the airspace to drop bombs, or just send missiles, Iranian advisors are there, Israelis are hiding behind proxies and paid spies in Iraq and Syria, the maximum Iran could do to retaliate proportionately would be to intercept a Zionist soldier while he is out of Israel or attach him in a basement and hang him, or to find Israeli assets (not proxies but Israelis on the field) in the region and purify them

do we need to cross into Israel border to release our bombs ? if you think so you are very wrong

 

[Nevsky]

The avars were helped by sassanids.

Yea, they did, they poured in whats today south Bulgaria, Macedonia and parts of Serbia together with the Slavic tribes when the war started, thats why there are sources saying that the Slavs fought together with the Avars and you aginst the Byzantine Empire.

 

[SalarHaqq]

it has nothing to do with Iran , you can't deny it

It has a lot to do with Iran. Anything authorized by HezbOIlah automatically has to do with Iran.

how many rocket ? 30 ? that's very much possible,

Negative. If HezbOllah opposes the armed presence of another group in south Lebanon, that group will be disarmed and/or will leave in a matter of hours. South Lebanon, which happens to be HezbOllah's backyard and especially the area bordering Occupied Palestine, from where the rockets were fired, is under tight surveillance by HezbOllah. No rocket artillery can exist in there without HezbOllah knowing and noticing.

A hundred rockets were reported to have been fired, which represents a significant salvo.

Hamas leaders meeting with seyyed NasrAllah (h.A.) merely hours later sent a deliberate political message.

Then there's the Joint Operations Room based in Lebanon, where Hamas has coordinated with the IRGC every major confrontation it took part in since 2021, as revealed by Yahya Sinwar himself on Al-Jazeera. Everything points to concerted action between members of the Resistance front.

And as indicated earlier, zionists have been storming Masjid ul-Aqsa every year in recent times. Reaction from Lebanese soil on such a scale however is unprecedented. Everything points to Iran responding to the recent martyrdom of two IRGC members in Syria.

depends

Not really.

nonsense ,

The only nonsense consists in denying Iranian bravery, given that no other state actor in the entire world is daring enough to arm, fund, train Resistance groups fighting the zionists. Not one.

right now what I see Iran don't retaliate to these escalation in last year .

Iran's retaliation came by means of yesterday's rocket strike on northern Occupied Palestine.

A year ago by means of the most intensive escalation witnessed in the West Bank since Intifada al-Aqsa (2000-2005).

maybe once with different government

Most Iranian casualties due to zionist airstrikes in Syria were incurred under Rohani.

Terrorist attacks against Iranian nuclear scientists offer a similar picture: 6 out of 7 i.e. close to 86% of assassinations and assassination attempts against Iranian nuclear scientists took place while Rohani was in charge.

Assassination of Iranian nuclear scientists - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Zionists thought it's the most opportune moment to martyr Iranians, because they were hoping that the west's liberal fifth column represented by the Rohani cabinet could stand in the way of retaliation, seeing the extent to which the liberal administration was willing to negotiate away Iran's nuclear program, seeing its declared aim to disarm Iran and its readiness to bow to Obama's and Trump's demands with little to no resistance.

But truth is the administration does not decide about when and how to retaliate, it's the national security establishment that does. So the quoted rhetoric figure is baseless anyway.

Additionally, it's quite possible that some liberal(s) close to Rohani was (were) acting as a mole(s), covertly assisting the enemy in these attacks. It was the liberal Rohani and Khatami governments which were most adamant in their to acceptance of the Additional Protocol to the NPT as well as other arrangements authorizing more intrusive inspections. As we meanwhile know, IAEA inspections helped the zionists identify key Iranian scientists for assassination.

A member of Rohani's nuclear negotiating team, Dorri-Esfahani, turned out to be a spy who was supplying sensitive information to the enemy.

Iran names nuclear negotiating team member jailed for spying

A dual national member of Iran's nuclear negotiating team has been jailed for five years for spying, news agency Tasnim said on Sunday, citing a spokesman for the judiciary.

www.reuters.com

Liberals like Rohani are openly striving for Iran's demilitarization and for an end to Iranian support of anti-zionist Resistance movements. Such people will not advocate retaliation, total capitulation is what they will press for with everything they can muster. They are bona fide zionist- and NATO-appeasers, some would say zionist / NATO agents.

till today USA failed to bring out evidence those IED are planted by Iran request

Islamic Iran's assistance to and close alliance with groups which used various kinds of weaponry to eliminate US occupation troops is official and therefore factual.

Speaking of evidence, unlike Iran's support for the Iraqi Resistance which is a perfectly established historical fact, there's no concrete proof for Iran's hand in the elimination of Avi Har-Even. Yet, this did not prevent you from asserting many times on this forum that it was Iran's work - which I basically agree with. Interested readers are welcome look it up one or two pages back where I shared lots of relevant screenshots.

Thus you may want to improve your argumentation with a modicum of cohesion and rectitude, since this sort of brazen self-contradiction we just described tends to be ruinous to one's credibility.

 

[lydian fall]